Now it begins....

[billfred]

Lol @ you knowing more than me. You don't know me well enough to claim such a thing, so I'll start by telling you religion was one of my double majors and I've already read both the Bible and Qur'an in their entirety, but thanks for the recommendation.

Hagar was Sarah's handmaiden, but also Abraham's second wife who gave Abraham his first born child.

Gen 16:3: So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian slave Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife.

No offense, but you and Cindy are crazy to think the two are different. It doesn't matter that "Allah" in the Qur'an comes across differently than "YHWH" in the New Testament. Do you see, Cindy, how saying because they have different personalities that they are now two different people doesn't make sense?

If the one, true God you believe in truly exists, and you admit that Allah was at one point the same god as YHWH, and you now say they are two different people, then you're saying two gods exist, which makes no sense because I'm sure you consider yourself a monotheist.

Jewish people believe in the god as described in the OT and not the new, and one could argue the God described in the OT and NT seem like vastly different gods. They do. So do Jews not believe in the same God either because his personality is different from the OT to the NT?

And for that matter, since Muslims believe Yeshua was a prophet sent through Allah and you don't believe Allah is the same god as YHWH, does that mean the man you think is your savior was a polytheist?

Though you are so spot on, you will never convince hard headed Christian they have the same God as mooslims.

 

[SPEKTOR-AAA]

 

[cindylou]

Lol @ you knowing more than me. You don't know me well enough to claim such a thing, so I'll start by telling you religion was one of my double majors and I've already read both the Bible and Qur'an in their entirety, but thanks for the recommendation.

Hagar was Sarah's handmaiden, but also Abraham's second wife who gave Abraham his first born child.

Gen 16:3: So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian slave Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife.

No offense, but you and Cindy are crazy to think the two are different. It doesn't matter that "Allah" in the Qur'an comes across differently than "YHWH" in the New Testament. Do you see, Cindy, how saying because they have different personalities that they are now two different people doesn't make sense?

If the one, true God you believe in truly exists, and you admit that Allah was at one point the same god as YHWH, and you now say they are two different people, then you're saying two gods exist, which makes no sense because I'm sure you consider yourself a monotheist.

Jewish people believe in the god as described in the OT and not the new, and one could argue the God described in the OT and NT seem like vastly different gods. They do. So do Jews not believe in the same God either because his personality is different from the OT to the NT?

And for that matter, since Muslims believe Yeshua was a prophet sent through Allah and you don't believe Allah is the same god as YHWH, does that mean the man you think is your savior was a polytheist?

Darn...I just lost my post...a very long thought out post. Maybe it is for the best because this discussion leads to nowhere...even though I stand by what I said there is no reason to "shove it down anyone's throat" in a quest to prove myself right and I don't want to offend any Muslim posters.

If they are the same then he is schizophrenic. lol. Simply put, I believe that the God in the OT IS the God in the NT. The same person. How can you say they are the same..Allah, YHWH and Jehovah, when the Son is Jehovah..God? How do you expect us to accept it is the same person? How can they worship the same person we do yet reject Him as God at the same time? I do understand your perspective and Sub's perspective because I was taught that too and was trying to find some common ground.

Anyone who denies Jesus is God denies the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob because Jesus is that God.

I'm open to being wrong about Jesus being God..just sayin I could be crazy

 

[nangiggles]

are any of you gonna show up at my door with a little brochure and pamphlet asking me if I have found the Lord yet?

 

[cindylou]

are any of you gonna show up at my door with a little brochure and pamphlet asking me if I have found the Lord yet?

lol I won't be. I'm not an evangelical Christian and I'm not a JW. I'm just fine with live and let live. I never post on here trying to convert or convince anyone (and I certainly dont IRL) I just defend what I believe.

 

[chris302001]

Anyone else feel like this is like listening to two virgins in a pissing match about starwars characters?

 

[AFeedz]

Anyone else feel like this is like listening to two virgins in a pissing match about starwars characters?

I suppose we could argue about important shit...like the physical accuracy of certain idioms.

 

[chris302001]

I suppose we could argue about important shit...like the physical accuracy of certain idioms.

I don't make threads about anything that is important.

You could probably substitute stoners for virgins as well.

 

[nefertiti]

lol I won't be. I'm not an evangelical Christian and I'm not a JW. I'm just fine with live and let live. I never post on here trying to convert or convince anyone (and I certainly dont IRL) I just defend what I believe.

I'm part of an evangelical church and even my pastor doesn't say that spreading the word of god has to mean going door to door. It can simply be living your life in a godly manner and offering yourself up as an example of christianity (I'm not wording that quite as well as he put it, but you get the idea).

I am fine with people who don't believe. But I think it's hilarious that lart calls this guy condescending when all I see from him is condescension when it comes to this. He needs to catch on to a little bit of live and let live himself.

 

[miplank]

But I think it's hilarious that lart calls this guy condescending when all I see from him is condescension when it comes to this. He needs to catch on to a little bit of live and let live himself.

lol, this