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Not to take away from EF.... but...
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bran987
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here's some other like-minded young people in a forum, many with their own businesses...
http://www.youngentrepreneur.com/
http://www.youngentrepreneur.com/
Synpax
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I'd say stick with EF.
I would wager that any site out there that is geared towards what you are looking for is filled with fraudsters, trolls, and viral marketing.
This place (and the C&C board) are probably ideal because the folks here are just as competent as anywhere else and this community is well established, so you know who you can trust. Also, it's small enough not to have (and not to tolerate) a lot of the slimeballs that are attracted to that sort of thing.
I would wager that any site out there that is geared towards what you are looking for is filled with fraudsters, trolls, and viral marketing.
This place (and the C&C board) are probably ideal because the folks here are just as competent as anywhere else and this community is well established, so you know who you can trust. Also, it's small enough not to have (and not to tolerate) a lot of the slimeballs that are attracted to that sort of thing.
Razorguns
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Just perused through that site.
Just a site full of teens and bubble gummers all asking each other how to make money so they can pay off their college loans.
Pretty mickey mouse if you ask me. I doubt any of them have serious business education or experience. And it clearly shows.
Just stick to here. We're in the business world every day at 8am. They're waking up each day to smoke weed and head off to work at blockbuster.
Just a site full of teens and bubble gummers all asking each other how to make money so they can pay off their college loans.
Pretty mickey mouse if you ask me. I doubt any of them have serious business education or experience. And it clearly shows.
Just stick to here. We're in the business world every day at 8am. They're waking up each day to smoke weed and head off to work at blockbuster.
bran987
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Razorguns said:
lol
I just said like-minded, not smart
I noticed one of them started a great business though
headvertising
he pays college kids $100/week to walk around campus with temporary tattoos on their forehead all day of different companies that pay him $150/week per head for the advertising.
ingenious! got written up in business week
Razorguns
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Bran987 said:
Creative yes -- but really it's just a unique form of advertising. It's still part of the common business formula mentioned in another thread. Find a business/industry you want to specialize in. THEN, find a unique angle to this industry and exploit it. ie: "Bringing something new to the table". That's what he did.
However, as an investor, i would have doubts on his long-term ability -- since he'll always be continually looking for new clients. I hope he uses that quick source of income to build the company and find other avenues of revenue. Otherwise it'll just die out as a "gimmick".
Synpax
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Bran987 said:do you know what viral marketing is? some of the biggest companies in the world use it, nothing wrong with that
What is wrong for our friend looking for a website is if he goes to somewhere and gets swayed by a poster saying he made a million dollars with a book and then our friend buys the book, which is worthless, and the original post, while true, was made by the person who WROTE the book and he made his millions making posts where people think he made the million READING it.
None of that crap here.
Razorguns
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Synpax said:
Funny you mentioned that.
About a year or two ago -- i was sitting on my sofa, eating my mint chocolate ice cream when i saw an infomercial on "obtain success today! Learn the secret to making lucrative dollars in today's highly-evolved and ever-changing business environment!" blah blah blah. A seminar was being held close to my house. "Free" of course.
So I decided what the hey -- head down there. I probalby have more education, self-discipline and experience than most of the people there -- so i wasn't too worried about geting "swayed" and dropping money recklessly.
so I go to the hotel. People sitting in chairs. Free drinks. Mainly older people: 35-60. Different races, cultures, etc. Some total guy smiley, anthony robbins, very persuasive and charming guy took over. Of course connected to the audience quick with their concerns (great ploy): "Okay, so i guess you're all here to here my little sales pitch to get your money, so you can get your prize and get out of here! haha. That's okay -- i was on that side once. I know how it is", blah blah.
I admit -- he was very entertaining and great at dressing up something w/o any hard facts or proof of anything. Every 10 minutes, he asks people to "for only $75 -- you can sign up for this plan and give it a shot.". So people kept going to the back and plunking down money. Then anotehr 10 minutes, *another* gimmic, i mean "business idea". This time only $120. "Think about it folks. A POWERFUL whole BUSINESS all on a platter for $120!! Can you beat that?". More sheep go to the back and plunk down credit cards.
Then the finale $1500 vacation retreat packages to sell to friends. More sheep to the back.
I bet from all the gimmicks they sold to the 200 people there -- they probably pulled in close to $10,000 for 1 hour of work. Not fucking bad. Job done. Next city. Repeat.
And you know what...?
I bet you probably 2 people actually made ANY money out of those gimmicks.
It was kinda sad, but what can you do. Example: Some 60 y/o retiree forking over $250 for a "website develpment package" -- where all he has to do is signup some client, go to this website with his account -- and this website will create a simple 5 page site (ie: a default plain vanilla crap site) for them. And options to create more at additional cost to the client. You and I know no business wants some geocities-type website for their business. Possibilty of getting at least his investment back? probably less than 50%. Possibility of *riches* (as eluded to) -- 0%.
Always ascertain the hidden agenda or motive of whoever is selling you some dream or idea or notion or gimmick. Here, we're all doing this for free -- cuz we all give advice, and get advice too. Which means EVERYONE benefits.
Basically I can learn MORE about the realities and specifics of the business world by reading this forum for one day -- then spending 19 hours at those business "sales-pitches" -- or as you described -- those expensive "book courses".
Synpax
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Bran987 said:that's a swindler, not viral marketing
so is what razor was talking about
swindlers! big smiles
multi-billion dollar companies have their ad departments working day and night to figure out how to make their marketing viral, it's a legitimate technique.
That is a bad example of viral. For example, posting up phone reviews of your product on amazon, getting stories submitted on Slashdot, paying writers to do articles on your stuff, paying hollywood costume directors to get the actors to wear your clothes on the set of the sitcom, etc.
I dislike it because there is a better, more holistic approach to it with a different name and much more academic research.
