I agree man. The winny will help out with the water bloat due to the progesterone from the deca. At one point I was contemplating deca and sust for my first cycle and still am, but I know I will blow up like a friggin balloon from the bloat....oh well, I guess I can live with a crap load of puffiness and a moon face as long as it provides some kick ass gains. Deca and Winny are my second choice though...however the availabilty of legit winny is more of an issue for. The deca and sust are fairly easy to get in redi-jects for me.