NOO-B cycle?????

[herdus33]

ive been traing for a couple years now....im 5'7"....165 lbs......and looking to lose a little bf......so....i am planning on runng a cycle soon.....its realy not my first cycle....only because i did a short 4 weeker of test just to see how it was.......but its my first full cycle.......with diet, sleep, and training all in check.......this is how i want to do it.....

week 1-4.5 = turanabol 30mg ed
week 1-2 = eq 600mg ew
week 3-14 = eq 400 ew

then pct with hcg, clomid and nolvadex...got that all planned out.

Fisrt off...i know that not much for a front load but thats all the gear i have and am willing to get....so thats what i want to try.......

Second.....i was planning on running nolvadex 20mg ed the whole time through...cus i think i have some signs of gyno and want to make sure it doesnt get any worse....plus im not lookin for huge size gains...........will this hurt my overalls or not?

The main ? is how does this cycle look for my first real full cycle and what kinda gains can i expect?

 

[black sheep]

An advantage is that Equipoise aromatizes only slightly, so the use of Nolva is not necessary IMO, especially if you are not taking any test...

 

[Bruce]

i would not run the tbol under 40mg ed, just run for 22 days thats all you get gains out of it for. i would use only nolva for pct just a light one.

 

[Themachine01]

To be completely honest with you bro, I personally never run a cycle without test and I dont ever recommend one either. I dont think that you will see too much off of EQ alone, especially at 400mg/wk. If you were to add test in, 250-500mg/wk then you would have a nice little cycle there for yourself. I dont know if this is all the gear that you have and this is the cycle that you have to run, but you most likely wont see too much off of it. When you say that you have signs of gyno, what is it from, when you were a kid, or do you think that it is from your 4 week test cycle, just curious. Either way, 20mg/nolva per day is too much to run throughout the entire cycle. If you are running it as a precautionary tool then you can drop it down to 20mg eod or 10mg/day, that is all thats needed. Really there isnt any reason to run it at all, its just a smart idea to keep it around so that if you start to see signs of gyno than you can add it in and it will help is subside.

 

[Bruce]

To be completely honest with you bro, I personally never run a cycle without test and I dont ever recommend one either. I dont think that you will see too much off of EQ alone, especially at 400mg/wk. If you were to add test in, 250-500mg/wk then you would have a nice little cycle there for yourself. I dont know if this is all the gear that you have and this is the cycle that you have to run, but you most likely wont see too much off of it. When you say that you have signs of gyno, what is it from, when you were a kid, or do you think that it is from your 4 week test cycle, just curious. Either way, 20mg/nolva per day is too much to run throughout the entire cycle. If you are running it as a precautionary tool then you can drop it down to 20mg eod or 10mg/day, that is all thats needed. Really there isnt any reason to run it at all, its just a smart idea to keep it around so that if you start to see signs of gyno than you can add it in and it will help is subside.

couldn't agree more, i ran deca alone and yielded 22lbs of mass, but i learned that having test is so important. if i had used it with the deca first time i think the gains would have been more, i am on deca and test now and i can tell you there is no way i will not use test again. it is so essential for building muscle. i like test/deca twice as much as deca alone, and i loved deca alone. eq needs to be at 600 a week if you are not gonna use test. but like machine said just throw in a light dose of test so its in your body when you are shutdown

 

[Outtlaw]

To be completely honest with you bro, I personally never run a cycle without test and I dont ever recommend one either. I dont think that you will see too much off of EQ alone, especially at 400mg/wk. If you were to add test in, 250-500mg/wk then you would have a nice little cycle there for yourself. I dont know if this is all the gear that you have and this is the cycle that you have to run, but you most likely wont see too much off of it. When you say that you have signs of gyno, what is it from, when you were a kid, or do you think that it is from your 4 week test cycle, just curious. Either way, 20mg/nolva per day is too much to run throughout the entire cycle. If you are running it as a precautionary tool then you can drop it down to 20mg eod or 10mg/day, that is all thats needed. Really there isnt any reason to run it at all, its just a smart idea to keep it around so that if you start to see signs of gyno than you can add it in and it will help is subside.

Umm... yeah... I was gonna say something like that. I dont have to now.

 

[Bruce]

i cannot believe i ever used without test. what a sin

 

[herdus33]

ok.....thanks for all the input.....but first off...i am prone to acne as well...that is the main reason for not using test......and i think they gyno is a little from puberty and not using a pct very well on my 4 wk cycle b4......so i def dont want to take any chances.....

but for the gear i have how do you think i should do it.......i have plenty of nolv.....enough clomid for pct.....3 amps of 200mg eq.....and 100 10mg tabs of ot....

and its ot a form of test.....wont that take care of the lack of test

 

[herdus33]

and please consider this is my first real cycle....i know all you guys have been using for prby quite some time.......i dont wanna get in to too much too quick...thanks...

 

[Themachine01]

and please consider this is my first real cycle....i know all you guys have been using for prby quite some time.......i dont wanna get in to too much too quick...thanks...

The advice that I gave you is newbie advice, and the nolva should still only be ran at 10mg/day, there is no need to run it at 20mg/day. EQ is not test, but it will still shut down your body's natural production of test, and since you are not replacing it with test, than you will experience the side affects that come along with not have testosterone in your body.