No test cycle.

[tryhardchris]

Hello everyone. This is my first time posting on an internet forum, but i've been a longtime lurker of many forums for more than five years.

I've done 3 cycles in the past, and am currently 210 at 5"11. I started working out at 145 (18 years old) and started my first cycle at 170. (20 years old). I had been off for about six months and just did my second pin yesterday of my new cycle.

For experimental purposes and in hopes it will do to me what i've seen it do to people I know, I am trying a cycle based around tren, not test. I know many of you may think this to be absurd. I have ran a test only cycle and I get TERRIBLE acne from test and just don't like it, which is another factor that led to this experiment.

Cycle is as follows:

week 1 Trenbolone E 400mg/wk
weeks 2-6 Trenbolone E 300mg/wk
weeks 1-5 Anadrol 75mg/wk
weeks1-5 EQ cypionate 600mg/wk

weeks3-7 ANTI A by SD pharmaceuticals 2pills/day
weeks 7-12 Mucuna puriens 5g/day
One other specific product I can't remember the name of but completes the pct and is what I've always used along with people in my local area, always with good blood work results of course.

Diet will be 4k cals/day minimum. No cardio.
I'm going for an all out bulk.
Would enjoy hearing what you all think of that cycle with no test. The tren base theory has been used by more european bodybuilders commonly but everywhere really it seems to be more popular than a lot of forums will have you believe.

 

[Lou Super Man 123]

What is your age?

Where is your PCT?

I suspect you don't know what you are doing, if you have to post doubts here then you are not an expert at using EAA's and if you are not an expert at using EAA's I believe you have no business experimenting with them.
Anadrol with give you acne and oily skin too.

Also you are running one of the most if not the most potent anabolic hormone which is oral, and you have no liver protection? Anadrol is pretty strong at liver.

What is your workout plan? You know, Anadrol can give you even 30 pounds in 6 weeks, being a lot of it water gains but that super fast grow increase the risk of muscle tear, you don't want to destroy your body at the gym.

What is your nutrition plan?, Anadrol shift HDl/LDL ratio very bad, you don't want to eat in the wrong way because it can lead to cardivascular issues, also, I don't see you having some suplements to soften this side effect.
Anadrol does not directly convert to estrogen, it is derivative of DHT and as such cannot be aromatized, AI compounds will not effect the estrogenicity of it. You must clarify what it your PCT, when discontinuing Anadrol, the crash can be as equally powerful as the on-cycle results.

The cycle you want to do is not cheap and with that money you can do a better cycle, you can fix the acne thing, also Anadrol will give you the same oily skin-acne effect.

 

[tryhardchris]

What is your age?

Where is your PCT?

I suspect you don't know what you are doing, if you have to post doubts here then you are not an expert at using EAA's and if you are not an expert at using EAA's I believe you have no business experiment with them.
Anadrol with give you acne and oily skin too.

Also you are running one of the most if not the most potent anabolic hormone which is oral, and you have no liver protection? Anadrol is pretty strong at liver.

What is your workout plan? You know, Anadrol can give you even 30 pounds in 6 weeks, being a lot of it water gains but that super fast grow increase the risk of muscle tear, you don't want to destroy your body at the gym.

What is your nutrition plan?, Anadrol shift HDl/LDL ratio very bad, you don't want to eat in the wrong way because it can lead to cardivascular issues, also, I don't see you having some suplements to soften this side effect.
Anadrol does not directly convert to estrogen, it is derivative of DHT and as such cannot be aromatized, AI compounds will not effect the estrogenicity of it. You must clarify what it your PCT, when discontinuing Anadrol, the crash can be as equally powerful as the on-cycle results.

The cycle you want to do is not cheap and with that money you can do a better cycle, you can fix the acne thing, also Anadrol will give you the same oily skin-acne effect.

>>Anadrol will give you the same oily skin-acne effect.

No, anadrol will not give me that oily skin-acne affect. I have ran it before in a stack without test and not had that affect.



>>I suspect you don't know what you are doing, if you have to post doubts here then you are not an expert at using EAA's and if you are not an expert at using EAA's I believe you have no business experiment with them.

I am not posting doubts. I enjoy comparing and contrasting my views and experiences on no test cycles with other people who have done them, it shocks me how many people say "test or no cycle". I really think the whole thing is blown out of proportion


>>wheres your pct?
I forgot the name of the product, i'm not at the house where my pct's are. I'll look tomorrow and update with the name

>>Also you are running one of the most if not the most potent anabolic hormone which is oral, and you have no liver protection? Anadrol is pretty strong at liver.

I forgot to mention I'm taking milk thistle. Also b6 too.

I'm not looking for tips on my pct i'm looking for discussion of the concept of test free cycles. But thanks for trying to help out.

 

[xdarren18]

This cycle looks like a flat out disaster. Only running tren e and eq for 5 weeks?

 

[Lou Super Man 123]

>>Anadrol will give you the same oily skin-acne effect.

No, anadrol will not give me that oily skin-acne affect. I have ran it before in a stack without test and not had that affect.



>>I suspect you don't know what you are doing, if you have to post doubts here then you are not an expert at using EAA's and if you are not an expert at using EAA's I believe you have no business experiment with them.

I am not posting doubts. I enjoy comparing and contrasting my views and experiences on no test cycles with other people who have done them, it shocks me how many people say "test or no cycle". I really think the whole thing is blown out of proportion


>>wheres your pct?
I forgot the name of the product, i'm not at the house where my pct's are. I'll look tomorrow and update with the name

>>Also you are running one of the most if not the most potent anabolic hormone which is oral, and you have no liver protection? Anadrol is pretty strong at liver.

I forgot to mention I'm taking milk thistle. Also b6 too.

I'm not looking for tips on my pct i'm looking for discussion of the concept of test free cycles. But thanks for trying to help out.

I'm glad you didn't take my comment in the wrong way, I was afraid of sounding like a dick but I was just honest.

Anadrol gives oily skin and acne, if it doesn't do it to you is a good thing but it doesn't mean that it doesn't do it, take that into consideration when you have to speak about Anadrol to a guy that doesn't know the compound.

"Test or no cycle" makes a lot of sense, why? because most of the time you want a high anabolic, medium androgenic environment inside your body and the safest-simplest-cheapest way of doing it is Test, its sides are just so known, "Safe" and controllable that it makes any other choice over it stupid.

There is no valid excuse for not using Testosterone as a base for a bulking cycle, acne is not one either.

Now if taking more health risk, spending more money and making your cycle more difficult is not a concern for you then yeah, "Test or no cycle" is blown out of proportion.

 

[joeblow12345]

You can run tren without test. I don't recommend it but it can be done. Anadrol can cause severe acne and oily skin, tren can also cause acne as well and once in a while I get a bump while on it but its not as common. Tren e for a short period is a mistake and a waste, and eq is a complete waste any less then 16 weeks. The best effects from tren e don't begin until after about 6 weeks. You get minor changes in the first couple weeks but mainly just sides early on. Tren ace is fine for short 8 week cycle but 10 is preferable. Tren e is best 12-16 weeks. Your cycle support is insufficient and you be wise to run n2guard with tren as the sides can be a bitch. I'm not against kicking off a tren blast with anadrol I happen to love a bombs but it can also be harsh so your gonna definitely need to have that n2guard at full steam to keep the sides in check stacking it with tren. And like I said earlier I advise a low dose of test always on any cycle. No more then 250 mg is needed but since you respond negatively to it I'd go 125 mg week. As long as you run an ai from day one it should be very easy to manage. 0.5 mg arimadex every 2-3 days should be good. Ale sure you have a solid recovery plan as tren is gonna take some time to recover from. Run a solid 6 week pct, a 4-6 week natural test stack, and follow that up with 4-6 months of natural recovery time before you consider anything else. If your gonna bother coming off then do it right and give your body the time it needs heal.

 

[stevesmi]

dude you started your first cycle at 170 pounds at 5 11.. and only 20 years old. WHY? WHY? WHY?

you haven't even come close to your genetic potential and you haven't even put in the hours in the gym or know how to eat yet.

and now you want to run tren already? you are doing this all wrong

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

In simple terms, trenbolone+anadrol=possible liver cancer. I would avoid it like no tomorrow. If you want to run a cycle without testosterone, why run something so harsh? why not primobolan and winstrol or anavar etc.