No Increase in Muscular Endurance

[wilson6]

"Um, no, for me that would be suicidial!!! Isn't the amount of weight relative to the person's strength?
50 Reps is about what we do in Body Pump."

I train a 56 yr old female that can get 50 reps with 450 and she is not a bodybuilder or fitness nut. Only played tennis before she started training with me.

Even the frail little distance runners I work with can get 360 for 50.

You ladies just don't know your potential, WITHOUT juice.

W6

 

[SteelWeaver]

Hey W6 - is that 50 non-stop in a row, or 25, 10 sec rest, 10, 10 sec rest, etc?

 

[Gladiola]

You ladies just don't know your potential, WITHOUT juice.

W6

Perhaps... but actually I never do the leg sled. I only started training legs recently & I do squats, walking lunges & deads - maybe inner/outer thigh & glute lifts on the cable - sometimes leg curl & extension, but not the leg sled. I don't know what my max would be.. .but 500 would squash me on a squat!

Never used juice tho, so I *only* know my potential without it.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Never used juice tho, so I *only* know my potential without it.

You don't HAVE to have juiced to know your potential.... You just have to decide that you are going to bust your ass AND THEN DO IT. Proper nutrition and a training partner that you TRUST helps tremendously.

The mind is your MOST powerful asset..... never say, "I can't."

My sister said the same thing before I got her on the sled and told her that she was going to complete 12 solid repititions with 5 45# plates on each side... TEN TOTAL. She was SHOCKED when she did it... and this was on her third set on the sled after doing 4 sets of squats. She was in UTTER DISBELIEF! She kept asking me if I "helped". I was like, "Look at me, I may be strong but HELLO I ain't no Hulk Hogan..... how much do you THINK I could possibly have helped?!" Now she isn't afraid of heavy weights any more. It wasn't that she was afraid that she woud get bulky . She was just afraid that SHE would be crushed....... not any more!

PS - she has NEVER EVEN taken an ECA stack!... doesn't even really take in extra protein in the form of MRP's... just eats like a horse and tries to do her best.

 

[FitFossil]

Never used juice tho, so I *only* know my potential without it.

Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought W6 meant 'women don't give themselves enough credit regarding their potential' when he said "You ladies just don't know your potential, WITHOUT juice."

I was thinking he meant it this way because women in general (juice or no juice) are afraid to really push their limits, even the ones who think they're training balls-to-the-wall, not just the ones who wanna tone and deliberately hold themselves back.

I haven't tried juice yet myself. But I am STILL surprising myself by finding new limits, whether it's what I can lift or how hard I can push myself. At any given time, I may think I've reached my limit, but I keep plugging along. Maybe I change my workout/diet a bit, and then BAM! I find a new limit. Granted the progress isn't as fast as when I first started training. I'm not a competitor and I don't have any deadlines, so I'm content (most of the time !) to progress slowly but surely. I think training is as much mental as it is physical.

 

[Gladiola]

Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought W6 meant 'women don't give themselves enough credit regarding their potential' when he said "You ladies just don't know your potential, WITHOUT juice."

I was thinking he meant it this way because women in general (juice or no juice) are afraid to really push their limits,

On the contrary... I believe *I* misunderstood what W6 said... I thought he was saying ladies don't give themselves enough credit so they use juice thinking they can't achieve a lot without it. FitFossil, I definitely think your interpretation was right in retrospect. I think my commute had melted my mind a bit!

Now this raises a *very* interesting discussion... does Gladi push her limits enough & give herself credit with the weight she can move???

Personally, I think so. I continue to grow & get stronger (except with BodyPump he he! But I don't really care about that!).

I agree that training is mental in large part. I do admit that I am careful how far I push tho...I train alone for 1, and 2 I do have some fear of injury on occasion....
Which raises the question... on that fine line between being TOO cautious & not pushing hard enough Versus pushing so hard you "annihlate the muscle", I think I'm cautious, but not overly so.

OK, did that make sense or did my 2.5 hours of meetings melt my mind even further?????

 

[VooDoo Lady]

Now this raises a *very* interesting discussion... does Gladi push her limits enough & give herself credit with the weight she can move??? Personally, I think so. I continue to grow & get stronger (except with BodyPump he he! But I don't really care about that!).

*cough* BULLSHIT *cough*

I know that I have only recently learned to really push myself. It was only a mere 3 weeks ago that I wasn't self conscious about making noises in the gym (other than farts ) I dare you to give up the "I workout alone and I'm frightened" excuse (I FINALLY HAVE) and really push it.

DIG DEEEEEEEEEEP GLADI!

 

[Gladiola]

DIG DEEEEEEEEEEP GLADI!

Too funny.... "Dig Deep" is something I say to my BodyPump classes when we're getting towards the end of the track & they're looking ready to drop the bar!

Aaaanyway.... I think I might start a new thread on this. Seriously, how likely is it to get injuried pushing it too hard when lifting??? Is it possible to push "TOO hard"???

VDL, you were the one who posted, "Am I training hard enough?/ Training Intensity?"
I sweat, I sometimes grunt, I am definitely sore the next day, sometimes 2 days, & most importantly, I'm seeing results! Both strength gains & hardness/size gains. --- isn't that how to judge if one is working hard enough?

I have gone to the point where my forearms were so sore I couldn't grip a jar to open it, & my abs were so sore sitting up just a *little* bit in bed to look at the clock made me want to cry - & laughing or taking a deep breat - OWW. I don't think that's healthy & good & I don't think that's where I need to be all the time to be working hard enough. Thoughts???

 

[Gladiola]

Wait wait...

is "making noise" synonymous with 'Pushing yourself hard'

i.e. Is it imossible to be pushing yourself if you are fairly quiet?

What if I'm gruntin' mentally but not audibly?

 

[Gladiola]

In fact, the more focused I am, the more quiet/inward I become.

I'm that way sometimes too.

But music for lifting... right there with ya! My choice: Rage against the machine

"F#& you I won't do whatcha tell me"

"We'll settle for nothing now, & we'll settle for nothing later!"