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No Increase in Muscular Endurance

Gladiola

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OK, I teach BodyPump.... barbell group exercise class consisting of traditional lifting moves (clean & press, squat, bench press, push-ups, etc.) done with real high reps... super slow, etc.

You put weight on for each 'track' (song) diff weight for diff muscle groups. I have been teaching it for nearly 2 years & am still using the same weight for most tracks!!!

It just seems that if I go heavier, I feel it more in my knees for squats, more in my shoulders & wrists for chest, too much forarm pain on the biceps track, etc.

Of course, I know heavy lifting is better, but I do think there is some benefit to this light training as a supplement (I know, diet is most important, lifting #2, cardio 3, muscular endurance training #4 IMO!) But muscular endurance is, after all, one of the 5 main components of overall fitness. But why am I not increasing??

I've gotten significantly stronger in the past year on my regular lifting. Any ideas?
THX!

p.s. I know this type of musc endurance training is NOT strength training (a little fact most participants AND most aerobics instrusctors IMX *don't know*!) - but why should it also not INCREASE METABOLISM?? The more lean muscle mass we have, the faster the metabolism... but should working the 'slow twitch' muscle fibers ALSO increase lean mass *somewhat* & thus speed metabolism? If not, why not?
 
You just answered your own question about the effectiveness of "Bodypump" style training.

Keep cardio and weights separate. There were some studies done a while back showing that cardio+weights did little for either cardiovascular fitness or strength.

That type of training has always been a fad in my mind designed for the chick mindset of what exercise for women should be.

W6
 
wilson6 said:
You just answered your own question about the effectiveness of "Bodypump" style training.

Ha ha... I know, it should have been glaringly apparent to me... I suppose I just wonder why my colleagues are able to lift more in this class even though I am stronger with traditional training.

The class really isn't supposed to be cardio, although I heard ACSM did a study on it & found that the HR does become elevated enough to yield some cardiovascular conditioning benefits... although we all know you can get your HR up with circuit training too, so this doesn't make it a "cardio workout" necessarily. Buuuut... I'll admit I heard this from the 'BodyPump' company & didn't check up on them... so I won't take it to be total truth unless I investigate myself.

Do you really think there is no benefit whatsoever to slow-twitch muscle fiber training & muscular endurance?

What about that PS.... I really am confused with that... is there no resulting increase in lean mass from working the type 2 fibers??
 
p.s. BodyPump has been around for at least 5 years or so.. which IMO means it has survived long enough to surpass being a mere 'fad'.

BodyPump itself aside, people have been doing high-rep low-weight for YEARS... we even see on THIS board how hard it is for every woman to erase what she thought she previously knew... the great 'toning' myth I fear is a bigger monster than we realize.

I try to do my part to eradicate the myth & spread truth every time I discuss fitness with a lady gym member... but I know I will only really get thru to very few.... :(
 
spatterson said:
Oprah ran a marathon. 'Nuff said.
:lmao:
Well... I'm a firm believer that if you want to teach someone something, you have to explain WHY - WHY they should lift heavy instead of take BodyPump, WHY they should not take BodyPump class 2 days in a row. I'd rather educate them (which, actually the director of the center encourages us to do) rather than 'nag' at them & harp.

So.... I tell them all the benefits of strength training, right?
Then I say, BodyPump is NOT strength training (cuz they think it is). It's muscular endurance training..... but THE BIG QUESTION... can I then truthfully say that they are NOT building lean mass with BodyPump & thus NOT getting those benefits of strength training.... & I'm not sure that I CAN say that in truth!!! Just don't want to mislead my members & look like an idiot!!!
Plus... I am fairly certain that this class gives them the benefit of increased bone density & thus decreased risk of osteoperosis.. so they DO get that benefit.

If I give Oprah as my reason for lifting instead of strictly cardio, I don't think that'll lend me credibility... plus I may be boo-ed off the stage by Oprah fans.
 
Hi Spatts!

I'm actually glad you posted that (just don't teach BodyPump) because I was going to write about that.

I really have been thinking of dropping it - since I don't fully believe in it. I just talked to my sister about it a little while ago. Here's why I don't want to drop it:

*It IS better than doing only cardio
*I get to teach them proper form for the exercises & why (& as I said, the exercises are traditional strength moves)
*I get to educate them on basics like: why not do it 2 days in a row?, why do regular strength training?
*Hopefully they apply this knowledge for some 'proper' training!
*If I don't teach it, plenty of people still do, so plenty of people will still be taking it -
i.e. it won't change much to not teach it, but I CAN make changes if I'm there & teaching.

OK, given all that info... is it still hypocritical for me to teach it being that I don't think it's an ideal way to train????

Oh.... and no student will ask 'why' I'm not teaching it... it doesn't matter much to them WHO is there... so long as someone leads class (It's pre-choreographed & all the same anyway). If I said I didn't want to waste their time, they'd think I was a B!#%$ & ignore me anyway.

I still want to find out if working type 1 fibers can lead to an increase in overall LBM & if not, why not?!
 
wilson6 said:
Muscular endurance training is doing 50 reps on the leg sled with 500 lbs.

W6

Um, no, for me that would be suicidial!!! :eek2: Isn't the amount of weight relative to the person's strength?
50 Reps is about what we do in Body Pump.
 
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