No carbs after 6PM

[the.gladiator1987]

Is this if you go to bed at 10? Or is this just a universal thought?

If i got to bed around 12 midnight, would no carbs after 8PM be the same? Or is it pretty much just the idea to get carbs in your system earlier in the day...

Good food choices for nighttime would be almonds, cottage cheese, meat, eggs, whey and veggies?

 

[sonicwaste]

The no carbs after a certain period of time is as close to BS as it comes. Especially for someone with your body type.

There has been a few pros that circulated this and it's 95% broscience. It's 5% "maybe".

The only thing is that insulin sensitivity tends to change as you get closer to your usual bed time. And in my research, reading, experience, it absolutely doesn't matter unless you are saving all your daily carbs for night or you are saving a large portion and they are high gi carbs.

For 99% of people, this is not the case... and especially for you I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

thats what i figured, i have a big ass spoonful of marshmallow cream, milk and cereal before bed. So fuck it!!!

 

[ExtraMile]

i get home from the gym at 9.00pm and have a pwo meal with fast carbs in it, how bad is this?

 

[sonicwaste]

i get home from the gym at 9.00pm and have a pwo meal with fast carbs in it, how bad is this?

I depends on context. Will you/your body use the carbs... or will they not be used--->glucose in to fat cells----> not good. Not good regardless of time

 

[ExtraMile]

I depends on context. Will you/your body use the carbs... or will they not be used--->glucose in to fat cells----> not good. Not good regardless of time

well its pwo so yeah they should be used quite rapidly. I know this is overkill but yesterday I had a sick workout, set 11 PR's and had 150g of fast carbs post workout with 50g of protein (chicken breast)

about 60-90mins later I was starving hungry again so doesnt this mean that my body used up all the carbs and protein and that the carbs and protein were needed? Otherwise it would have been stored and kept me fuller for longer, is this right?

 

[timtim]

well its pwo so yeah they should be used quite rapidly. I know this is overkill but yesterday I had a sick workout, set 11 PR's and had 150g of fast carbs post workout with 50g of protein (chicken breast)

about 60-90mins later I was starving hungry again so doesnt this mean that my body used up all the carbs and protein and that the carbs and protein were needed? Otherwise it would have been stored and kept me fuller for longer, is this right?

150 grams of fast acting carbs? that is so ridiculously high its bordering on stupid, considering the whey alone blunts cortisol release. 30 to 50 grams of fast acting carbs is more than enough. i bet 70% of that shake spilled over into fat cells, very counterproductive.

your body did not use up those 150 grams of carbs in 60 to 90 minutes. the hunger was based on your insulin levels crashing through the floor, after all that sugar was pushed into fat cells. hunger after high gi carb meals is due to the insulin drop. mixing in a slower carb would have made you feel fuller.

you will never need 150 grams of fast acting carbs pwo. never. if you followed that meal with more high gi carbs, you probably added fat to your body. learn about insulin. you dont need to shock the shit out of your pancreas to build muscle.

 

[ExtraMile]

150 grams of fast acting carbs? that is so ridiculously high its bordering on stupid, considering the whey alone blunts cortisol release. 30 to 50 grams of fast acting carbs is more than enough. i bet 70% of that shake spilled over into fat cells, very counterproductive.

your body did not use up those 150 grams of carbs in 60 to 90 minutes. the hunger was based on your insulin levels crashing through the floor, after all that sugar was pushed into fat cells. hunger after high gi carb meals is due to the insulin drop. mixing in a slower carb would have made you feel fuller.

you will never need 150 grams of fast acting carbs pwo. never. if you followed that meal with more high gi carbs, you probably added fat to your body. learn about insulin. you dont need to shock the shit out of your pancreas to build muscle.

1. I never had any whey and never said I had whey and I even put that the protein was via chicken breast
2. who the fuck has chicken breast and carbs in a shake? this was a meal not a shake
3. no i didnt have any more fast acting carbs after that but it was actually about 125g fast carbs 25g slow carbs, and still i was hungry like an hour after...
4. i dont usually do this

 

[timtim]

1. I never had any whey and never said I had whey and I even put that the protein was via chicken breast
2. who the fuck has chicken breast and carbs in a shake? this was a meal not a shake
3. no i didnt have any more fast acting carbs after that but it was actually about 125g fast carbs 25g slow carbs, and still i was hungry like an hour after...
4. i dont usually do this

you missed my point which was whey alone is good enough to do what you want.

i also stand by what i said, you dont and never will need that type of pwo meal. 50 grams of protein from chicken and half a cup to a cup of white rice is more than enough. and your hunger an hour later was still due to the absurd carb amount you took in.

do alittle research on the role and action of insulin in digestion. it will be helpful in controlling fat gain while still adding muscle.

 

[ExtraMile]

you missed my point which was whey alone is good enough to do what you want.

i also stand by what i said, you dont and never will need that type of pwo meal. 50 grams of protein from chicken and half a cup to a cup of white rice is more than enough. and your hunger an hour later was still due to the absurd carb amount you took in.

do alittle research on the role and action of insulin in digestion. it will be helpful in controlling fat gain while still adding muscle.

ok thanks, i just wanted to know why i got so hungry so quick and though that metabolism being already higher because of age and then the natural metabolism raise form lifting and be being hungry from lifting could be why i got through so much carbs so quick. like i said i dont normally do this i just got a sweet tooth lolol

 

[sonicwaste]

it's the insulin. I too, agree about having 100+ grams simple carbs at once... Especially if you chug it, can cause some problems... There are some circumstances where this would be acceptable if sipped over a longer period of time... But that is 1% and if the diet/training protocol called for it.

For you, not a good idea. 20,30,40g carbs is all you really need at the max post workout.

 

[iggy]

gladiator, i still was dropping bodyfat and getting stronger when i followed omegas diet.
i don't eat carbs after 7 with the exception of SL's protein brownie recipe. protein powder and peanut butter. that usually fills me up. (and it takes a ton to fill me up) Aside from that, i don't see what the big deal is in eating a ton of spinach for dinner. make sure if you eat a carb, its either peanut butter or green after 7pm. thats my rule.

 

[Blizzak]

Yet...a little carb will help you sleep better. That's actually why they wouuld put a little candy on your pillow at the hotel. Blood sugar reaction causes sleepiness.

 

[future]

Is this if you go to bed at 10? Or is this just a universal thought?

If i got to bed around 12 midnight, would no carbs after 8PM be the same? Or is it pretty much just the idea to get carbs in your system earlier in the day...

Good food choices for nighttime would be almonds, cottage cheese, meat, eggs, whey and veggies?

Yeah the timing is always based around sleep schedules. I don't get so caught up with that personally because of my own metabolism.

It is individual BUT that being said most people are not active enough for the carbs so I think a carb cut off several hours before bed makes sense.

 

[gstacker]

Yeah the timing is always based around sleep schedules. I don't get so caught up with that personally because of my own metabolism.

It is individual BUT that being said most people are not active enough for the carbs so I think a carb cut off several hours before bed makes sense.

ya i was thinking the same thing while reading this thread...somthing you would read in a magazine waiting to get cashed out at the grocery store....for most people cut the carbs later in the day.....bb`s and athletes might not apply as much

 

[sonicwaste]

still you must look at this concept as a whole... and get past the rumours/broscience echoed everywhere.

What is the difference between ingesting carbs sitting behind a desk all day and ingesting carbs when you are sitting on the couch watching tv at night??? or ingesting carbs before bed??? The answer is not much difference at all.

No one has a problem ingesting carbs throughout the day, even when they workout in the morning. There is no significant difference. As we sit behing desks, sit watching tv, sleeping at night, our bodies are still burning at out basal metabolic rate.

Organs and body processes require energy, even as we sleep. So the notion that ingesting carbs are going to be stored as fat or inhibit fat loss, is in general wrong. Carbs are the easiest, most efficient source of energy for our bodies.

So long as energy balance is maintained, there is no logical reason to believe that carbohydrates will work vodoo magic against you at night.

But it all fits in to a context... fat can still be mobilized and oxidized in the presence of carbohydrate intake.

50 grams of carbohydrates is 200 calories. 200lbs male at 6' bmr is roughly 2000 calories. 83 calories per hour BMR. So in roughly 2.5 hours of sleep, the body will effectively burn the calories from 50 carbohydrates. That's an ultra simplified way of looking at things, but very realistic.

 

[johnwest]

I think people in the no evening carbs camp aren't so worried about fat gain but rather inhibition of fat loss from an insulin spike...when on a calorie deficit. Insulin is pretty much viewed as the enemy in that line of thinking.

 

[sonicwaste]

I think people in the no evening carbs camp aren't so worried about fat gain but rather inhibition of fat loss from an insulin spike...when on a calorie deficit. Insulin is pretty much viewed as the enemy in that line of thinking.

yes, but most people don't understand insulin or what it takes to cause an insulin spike, how long the spike lasts, etc. Sure you want to avoid spiking insulin... But eating carbs in general doesn't spike insulin. There is not a problem with steadiness in terms of insulin release in relation to fat loss.

 

[Jimbo15]

i get home from the gym at 9.00pm and have a pwo meal with fast carbs in it, how bad is this?

Some of the guys might not appreciate this, but:

We’ve all heard that growth hormone (GH) does a ton of great stuff for our bodies including burning body fat, increasing protein synthesis, increasing nitrogen retention, and decreasing protein catabolism. (1) This means more muscle, less fat, and a happier, healthier, sexier you. So how can we maximize the effects and release of growth hormone we get in response to strenuous exercise?

Keep your post workout carbohydrate levels in check.

When we exercise, blood glucose and insulin levels decrease, and GH levels increase. GH levelscan remain this way for an hour or more. (2) However, as soon as blood glucose and insulin levels rise, GH levels will drop back down, as insulin acts to suppress GH secretion. (3) Keeping carbohydrate intake to a minimum after exercise will keep blood glucose and insulin levels down and GH up for a longer period of time.

How do you boost GH levels and keep it elevated after a workout? Consider protein instead of carbs for your post workout nutrition!

Carbohydrates negatively effects Growth Hormone

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I usually eat a Natty PB sandwich on whole grain bread before bed.

 

[joe d]

i drink 80g simple carbs imediately post w/o and eat another 60g simple 60g complex carbs 30-45 mins later. when i was a teenager i didnt lift weights but i wrestled and played foot ball. i was a human garbage pit after training. training made me extremely hungry and i would drink a couple big sodas and a few sandwiches. that is loads of carbs and i didnt get fat. maybe a little extra but i was always muscular, strong, and a top athlete on my teams. i dont feal that i suffered any from that type of eating when i was younger. now i wouldnt do it.