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Mr.HeavyDuty said:
Considering you equate knowledge with spelling prowess, you're likely the dumbest motherfucker on the thread. Irony defined.
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Considering you equate knowledge with spelling prowess, you're likely the dumbest motherfucker on the thread. Irony defined.
Tom Treutlein
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You must spread some Karma around before giving it to Debaser again.
Mr.HeavyDuty
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"60 feet isn't the same as 60 yards, asshole. Divide by 3." your post bro, and it makes no sense to me. Re-read my post and then come and talk to me about 60 feet and 60 yards dividing by a dumbass. hahaha, 17 and can't read a lick can you?
You are right, you should not care what I think or anyone, but yet you continue to post like a mindless tard. Dude, spend less time on the computer this summer and more time training. You will get better results.
You are right, you should not care what I think or anyone, but yet you continue to post like a mindless tard. Dude, spend less time on the computer this summer and more time training. You will get better results.
Mr.HeavyDuty
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Debaser said:
Thanks for chiming in asswipe. hahaha, another tard who takes his computer skills a little too seriously. haha, thanks for stopping by, I am off to go get bigger, faster, stronger. You guys sit around and figure out more cool comebacks for when I come back. hahaha, what a bunch of pussies.
Mr.HeavyDuty
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Debaser said:
Thanks for chiming in asswipe. hahaha, another tard who takes his computer skills a little too seriously. haha, thanks for stopping by, I am off to go get bigger, faster, stronger. You guys sit around and figure out more cool comebacks for when I come back. hahaha, what a bunch of pussies. spread the karma, spread the karma!!! hehe, internet dorks. hehehe
Mr.HeavyDuty
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wait, internet athletes.!!!! hahaha
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Debaser
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What do computer skills have to do with spelling ability?
You're trying to get bigger, faster, and stronger? And I'm not? I guarantee you my training regimen, schedule and diet is FAR more rigorous than yours.
You're trying to get bigger, faster, and stronger? And I'm not? I guarantee you my training regimen, schedule and diet is FAR more rigorous than yours.
Mr.HeavyDuty
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You have a sample of my daily training regimen, and that is just getting a little specific with some of my cardio details. That is not my weight work, or my wrestling workout. If you want to compare post it debunker. I am sure that you train hard as do several others on this board, we are on the right board for it, but until you know what an NCAA athlete goes through training for the toughest sport known to man then move along shit for brains. It does not stop at bodybuilding for me, there is the rest of my training. Intensity 24/7 bro, most of you guys do not have a clue what and how intense we train. I guarantee you that your regimen could not possibly compare to mine. Nor do I care about it at this point.
However, I fear that I am becoming an internet dork like you guys and must retire from this ridiculous thread now. My point has been proven even by those that train in the art, when it comes down to catching me on a couple of spelling errors over discussing my points, then this thread has ended for me. By the way dumbass, if you want to get technical you never start a sentence with AND....!! WHERE IS MY KARMA BITCH!! Hahahaha, I guess that makes you the new dumbest motherfucker on the thread then huh? Hmmmmmm.....irony redefined.
I am officially done with this thread and will not return to read any of your return posts, you guys can not intelligently dispute any facts I have stated about ninjiutsu not being an effective fighting art. It has been amusing, but discussing with a 17 year old internet geek, a 75 year old ninja sniper, a guy who scares people with his chi, and a guy who does not understand simple english sentence logistics has made me realize I am getting nerdy continuing this discussion any longer.
I want to leave you guys with some quotes from some of the greatest wrestlers and scholars that have ever lived. Take them with you and use them for motivation to quit playing on the computer so much and get to training for real!!! Not this "my training is FAR more than yours", wannabe hardcore, but really a pussy shit. Remember the last one as you have accepted defeat here on this discussion with me:
"You can't ever work too much because there's no such thing as being in too good condition. You can't ever lift too many weights, because you can't ever get too strong."
"I vowed I wouldn't ever let anyone destroy me again. I was going to work at it every day, so hard that I would be the toughest guy in the world. By the end of practice, I wanted to be physically tired, to know that I'd been through a workout. If I wasn't tired, I must have cheated somehow, so I stayed a little longer."
"...train yourself to be godly. For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come." (1 Timothy 4:7-8)
"I want the opponent not to be considering whether or not he's going to win or lose the match but whether or not he was going to survive."
"For the first two periods, I thought I was going to die. Then, in the third, I prayed I would."
"Ability will never catch up with the demand for it." Gable/Confucius.
What's your worst fear?
"To be average." - Joe Johnston
Gable, one from Iowa after they won their 9th straight NCAA title.
He worked by day
And toiled by night.
He gave up play
And some delight.
Dry books he read,
New thing to learn
And forged ahead,
Success to earn.
He plodded on with
Faith and pluck;
And when he won,
Men called it luck.
"Win with humility, lose with dignity."
However, I fear that I am becoming an internet dork like you guys and must retire from this ridiculous thread now. My point has been proven even by those that train in the art, when it comes down to catching me on a couple of spelling errors over discussing my points, then this thread has ended for me. By the way dumbass, if you want to get technical you never start a sentence with AND....!! WHERE IS MY KARMA BITCH!! Hahahaha, I guess that makes you the new dumbest motherfucker on the thread then huh? Hmmmmmm.....irony redefined.
I am officially done with this thread and will not return to read any of your return posts, you guys can not intelligently dispute any facts I have stated about ninjiutsu not being an effective fighting art. It has been amusing, but discussing with a 17 year old internet geek, a 75 year old ninja sniper, a guy who scares people with his chi, and a guy who does not understand simple english sentence logistics has made me realize I am getting nerdy continuing this discussion any longer.
I want to leave you guys with some quotes from some of the greatest wrestlers and scholars that have ever lived. Take them with you and use them for motivation to quit playing on the computer so much and get to training for real!!! Not this "my training is FAR more than yours", wannabe hardcore, but really a pussy shit. Remember the last one as you have accepted defeat here on this discussion with me:
"You can't ever work too much because there's no such thing as being in too good condition. You can't ever lift too many weights, because you can't ever get too strong."
"I vowed I wouldn't ever let anyone destroy me again. I was going to work at it every day, so hard that I would be the toughest guy in the world. By the end of practice, I wanted to be physically tired, to know that I'd been through a workout. If I wasn't tired, I must have cheated somehow, so I stayed a little longer."
"...train yourself to be godly. For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come." (1 Timothy 4:7-8)
"I want the opponent not to be considering whether or not he's going to win or lose the match but whether or not he was going to survive."
"For the first two periods, I thought I was going to die. Then, in the third, I prayed I would."
"Ability will never catch up with the demand for it." Gable/Confucius.
What's your worst fear?
"To be average." - Joe Johnston
Gable, one from Iowa after they won their 9th straight NCAA title.
He worked by day
And toiled by night.
He gave up play
And some delight.
Dry books he read,
New thing to learn
And forged ahead,
Success to earn.
He plodded on with
Faith and pluck;
And when he won,
Men called it luck.
"Win with humility, lose with dignity."
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Debaser
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Actually, it's not incorrect to start a sentence with "and." In fact, it is sometimes more appropriate. Of course, that has nothing to do with spelling (thus negating your "zing" entirely), and everything to do with sentence structure--something else you know nothing about. But I digress.
You have fear of becoming an "internet dork"? How fucking old are you, anyway? Insecurity at its finest.
So you were curious as to what I do? Fine:
-I work full-time, and go to school full-time.
-I spend an hour and a half every morning doing Egoscue corrective postural exercises and stretches.
-I am in the gym every day. Either doing strength training 2-3 days a week, or core and prehab/rehab exercises the other days.
-I train in Muay Thai twice a week. (2-3 hours each session)
-I train in boxing twice a week. (2-3 hours each session)
-I train in submission fighting twice a week. (2-3 hours each session)
*And somehow, through ALL OF THAT, I find time to be on the internet, while also netting threesomes and even foursomes with models (bikini and runway). Therefore, my life is somewhat satisfying at this point. Not bad for an "internet nerd," eh?
You have fear of becoming an "internet dork"? How fucking old are you, anyway? Insecurity at its finest.
So you were curious as to what I do? Fine:
-I work full-time, and go to school full-time.
-I spend an hour and a half every morning doing Egoscue corrective postural exercises and stretches.
-I am in the gym every day. Either doing strength training 2-3 days a week, or core and prehab/rehab exercises the other days.
-I train in Muay Thai twice a week. (2-3 hours each session)
-I train in boxing twice a week. (2-3 hours each session)
-I train in submission fighting twice a week. (2-3 hours each session)
*And somehow, through ALL OF THAT, I find time to be on the internet, while also netting threesomes and even foursomes with models (bikini and runway). Therefore, my life is somewhat satisfying at this point. Not bad for an "internet nerd," eh?
Tom Treutlein
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Tom Treutlein
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So, I guess it takes you so long to type and read on these forums that it takes away from all the supposed success of your training. Wow man. Just...wow.
Okay, so I can't read a lick? You said 60 yards. He said 60 feet. Divide 60 by 3 to find yards.
We're the retards? You really show your intellect by typing "hahahahahhaha" all the time.
Internet athletes, wow! Ingenious.
Oh good lord, I can't believe you bring up calling people out on their spelling errors. Remember what you said to Bam, prick? That's what started this whole thing between me and you. Hell...it's people like you that I laugh at when I see an accident on Fox and shit, you know? I mean, if I had the chance and didn't have any goals in life, I would kill you. Like. Wow. I just get happy thinking about it. People like you are the types that just need to be stripped of all their skin, and then have salt poured over their raw, pink flesh. You should just die. I hope, in all honesty, you and your entire family and anyone you know dies. Every single one of them. I hope you never procreate. Ever.
We accepted defeat? Yet you're the one who won't return to read our replies? How dumb are you? Do you box? Do you get hit in the head too much man? Fuckin' A, people like you make me sick.
Okay, so I can't read a lick? You said 60 yards. He said 60 feet. Divide 60 by 3 to find yards.
We're the retards? You really show your intellect by typing "hahahahahhaha" all the time.
Internet athletes, wow! Ingenious.
Oh good lord, I can't believe you bring up calling people out on their spelling errors. Remember what you said to Bam, prick? That's what started this whole thing between me and you. Hell...it's people like you that I laugh at when I see an accident on Fox and shit, you know? I mean, if I had the chance and didn't have any goals in life, I would kill you. Like. Wow. I just get happy thinking about it. People like you are the types that just need to be stripped of all their skin, and then have salt poured over their raw, pink flesh. You should just die. I hope, in all honesty, you and your entire family and anyone you know dies. Every single one of them. I hope you never procreate. Ever.
We accepted defeat? Yet you're the one who won't return to read our replies? How dumb are you? Do you box? Do you get hit in the head too much man? Fuckin' A, people like you make me sick.
Dangergurl
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Hi Peeps!
I actaully trained for some time in ninjitsu under Bud Malmstrum while living in Atlanta so here is my lille 2 cents:
UFC- The early UFCs had pure systems vs pure systems vs systems designed for that type of tourny.
Now you never see a person from a pure system- they all cross train like mad in competition systems.
A guy I dated that was really into it did a analysis of such after the early ones and before it morphed into ints own system ( kinda! )
The highest percentage of wins were from systems such as GJJ that specialized in that type of competition.
Next were systems such as Judo which specialized in similar types of competition.
Amoung the traditional type of systems Ninjitsu actually had the highest winning percentage- over 50%- as compared to TKD (0%), JKD (0%) Karate ( somewhere around 10%).
The truth is- ninjitsu was the only traditional system consistantly winning any matches.
This is surprising since very little of ninjitsu training is hand to hand - a vast majority of it involves weapons.DeenaC
I actaully trained for some time in ninjitsu under Bud Malmstrum while living in Atlanta so here is my lille 2 cents:
UFC- The early UFCs had pure systems vs pure systems vs systems designed for that type of tourny.
Now you never see a person from a pure system- they all cross train like mad in competition systems.
A guy I dated that was really into it did a analysis of such after the early ones and before it morphed into ints own system ( kinda! )
The highest percentage of wins were from systems such as GJJ that specialized in that type of competition.
Next were systems such as Judo which specialized in similar types of competition.
Amoung the traditional type of systems Ninjitsu actually had the highest winning percentage- over 50%- as compared to TKD (0%), JKD (0%) Karate ( somewhere around 10%).
The truth is- ninjitsu was the only traditional system consistantly winning any matches.
This is surprising since very little of ninjitsu training is hand to hand - a vast majority of it involves weapons.DeenaC
Bam
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Dangergurl said:
Hi DeenaC
Thanks for the original and honest input. Actually there is a lot of "hand to hand" training in Ninjutsu but this art unlike many takes a long time to get to the higher levels. There are no free belts here. The training was and is designed to be effective and not flashy or for competition. We do what it takes to walk away alive and no more. We always use this training for defense ONLY... No show...No competition...No ego, Just pure effective defensive tactics.
Have a great day!
DANABOLIC55
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I think you left out the fact that Gracie JJ won the finals every time in those older UFC's. Also, GJJ is older than JKD-So if JKD is traditional which it's not, than GJJ is as well. There was one JKD guy- El Tiberon. One person with no grappling experience cannot represent an entire freestyle system. Those earlier UFC's were hilarious. Guys just swinging in the air and blind charges. I'm not getting into this- go represent ninjitsu in your next local mma show-then come back and tell us how well you do.
Dangergurl
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I didn't fail to mention GJJ winning those early UFCs- I think I did state the systems designed to fight in those areas won a vast majority of their matches.
I trained for some time in BJJ, for a while even under Rickson - usually when a technique was shown it would be : do it THIS way for competition, but that would get you killed on the street- so do it THIS way for the street.
However, in ninjitsu -since very few ever compete- you never see any competition methods.
N is more akin to an ancient special forces sytem as opposed to a hand to hand system.
What would happen if say a SEAL or guy like that were to enter a MMA tourney? using just his SEAL training and nothing else?
He'd get clobbered! His SEAL training does not prepare him for that type of environment.
As a matter or fact , this happened in an earlly UFC. A guy from Iraeli special forces entered- and was easily beaten by a wrestler.
Now the question is this- if you are going to a bar fight whod ya rater have with you? The wrestler right?
Now if you are going to Afganistan to fight el Quida who do you now want with you? I'll take the Israeli special ops guy thank you!
N is far more akin to modern special ops ( who have actually adopted many ancient ninja methods ) training than just hand to hand.
BTW_ if your life is REALLY on the line, you really going to go hand to hand? Or will you be smart and try to have a weapon of some kind?
BTW2- I saw the masacre of Ninja fighter in the early UFCs mentioned.
Lets run down his EARLIER match- he fought a champion TKD fighter and easily beat him. Considering the Ninja guy had never been in competition before and the TKD guy had won hundreads of TKD matches and scores of tournys that was quite a feat.
True he lost badly to the kickboxer, who the turned into a total pussy when he faced Rorian and pretty much refused to fight.
So he wasn't that far off from making the finals- and perhaps winning even.
He ended with a 50% wining record, not fantastic but far better than any other traditional fighter has had before or since ( with the exception of other ninja fighters perhaps).
Not bad for a guy who rarely trains hand to hand and his first tourney.
I thin I'll take the ninja guy as a mate for a real combat or life and death situation over most others!DeenaC
I trained for some time in BJJ, for a while even under Rickson - usually when a technique was shown it would be : do it THIS way for competition, but that would get you killed on the street- so do it THIS way for the street.
However, in ninjitsu -since very few ever compete- you never see any competition methods.
N is more akin to an ancient special forces sytem as opposed to a hand to hand system.
What would happen if say a SEAL or guy like that were to enter a MMA tourney? using just his SEAL training and nothing else?
He'd get clobbered! His SEAL training does not prepare him for that type of environment.
As a matter or fact , this happened in an earlly UFC. A guy from Iraeli special forces entered- and was easily beaten by a wrestler.
Now the question is this- if you are going to a bar fight whod ya rater have with you? The wrestler right?
Now if you are going to Afganistan to fight el Quida who do you now want with you? I'll take the Israeli special ops guy thank you!
N is far more akin to modern special ops ( who have actually adopted many ancient ninja methods ) training than just hand to hand.
BTW_ if your life is REALLY on the line, you really going to go hand to hand? Or will you be smart and try to have a weapon of some kind?
BTW2- I saw the masacre of Ninja fighter in the early UFCs mentioned.
Lets run down his EARLIER match- he fought a champion TKD fighter and easily beat him. Considering the Ninja guy had never been in competition before and the TKD guy had won hundreads of TKD matches and scores of tournys that was quite a feat.
True he lost badly to the kickboxer, who the turned into a total pussy when he faced Rorian and pretty much refused to fight.
So he wasn't that far off from making the finals- and perhaps winning even.
He ended with a 50% wining record, not fantastic but far better than any other traditional fighter has had before or since ( with the exception of other ninja fighters perhaps).
Not bad for a guy who rarely trains hand to hand and his first tourney.
I thin I'll take the ninja guy as a mate for a real combat or life and death situation over most others!DeenaC
DANABOLIC55
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Special ops use guns.
I teach the hand to hand Navy Seal system taught by Paul Vunak- it's not ninjitsu.
http://www.fighting.net
It's Muay Thai, Filipino and BJJ(mostly)
I have a hard time believing that when you take a mma fighter out of the octagon , they lose their ability to fight. Their timing will be better, their punches faster and their ability to take a punch will be greater.
The life or death points are moot. If someone attacks you with intent to kill, it is usually sneak attack and with a gun. Even by knife, it is usually at a range where if you attempt to draw your knife, you are then cut. You are better off running away then trying to fight.
The earlier UFC's are not a good representation of how mma is now.
I respect you as a martial artist- I just don't see things the same way.
peace.
I teach the hand to hand Navy Seal system taught by Paul Vunak- it's not ninjitsu.
http://www.fighting.net
It's Muay Thai, Filipino and BJJ(mostly)
I have a hard time believing that when you take a mma fighter out of the octagon , they lose their ability to fight. Their timing will be better, their punches faster and their ability to take a punch will be greater.
The life or death points are moot. If someone attacks you with intent to kill, it is usually sneak attack and with a gun. Even by knife, it is usually at a range where if you attempt to draw your knife, you are then cut. You are better off running away then trying to fight.
The earlier UFC's are not a good representation of how mma is now.
I respect you as a martial artist- I just don't see things the same way.
peace.
Bam
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DANABOLIC55 said:
And that is ok to se things differently....
But the point Deena made is relevant, The fighters in the ring know that it is just a competition where outside the ring in a "real" life and death situation I will still maintain like I have stated in previous posts that awarness will give me the advantage. The Training we get in using the awarness that comes from a connection to the energy some call Chi is invaluable in either avoiding a deadly situation or having the advantage and walking away the winner (Survivor).
Ganryu
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LOL at the Virtual Tough Guy link. "He may claim to have been taught by a single individual, a Wise Old Asian Master..."
Witches who can't trace their initiation back to Gerald Gardner usually claim to have been initiated by their grandmother. The similarities are... interesting.
Witches who can't trace their initiation back to Gerald Gardner usually claim to have been initiated by their grandmother. The similarities are... interesting.
Bushi
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I have gone through this entire thread and all I have to say is this. Yes I to study Budo Taijitsu (ninjistu). Yes yes...one of the Martial Arts world misguided children. I agree and disagree with some points brought up here. So here is my 2 cents.
1. Yes Ninjitsu is dirty, grimey, off the wall and teaches things that any tradional dojo wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. Why? It's because it's system was developed during a time of war ( yeah you heard this before). War is not pretty. It doesn't have rules or opponents that will let you go once you tap or give up. A referee that will stop a fight if things get out of hand. So yes in actual combat there is no such thing as "dirty fighting". you do what you do to stay alive. Ask the hostages that had their heads sawed off if they really gave a care about the rules of Pride, UFC or MMA.
2. The BJJer's do have their point which is this. In Feudal Japan, the practioners of Ninjitsu did not just study in the dojo. Their skill was tested on a daily basis in real life and death situations that don't exist now. Given our western society, our laws and way of life people are not swinging swords or throwing metsubishi ( any thrown weapon) into others faces. One thing that MMA, Tough-Man, UFC teach is acessing your primal brain. Whether it's competion or not, they are training to be physical. In a combat situation would they be perfect, would a BJJ or MMA win or lose? Depends on the circumstances or situation. I have fought a couple of Tough-man and fought Thai in the ring. I notice that alot of students in my Ninjitsu class do not posess the pragmatic, killer instict they would need in a real fight. Yes they may develop it over a period of time, but People who study MMA, BJJ develop that instinct alot sooner.
3. About this (ninjitsu) not being a real Martial Art...Well, it's not! In the System of "Ninjitsu" you find:
Togakure Ryu Ninjutsu
Gyokko Ryu Koshijutsu
Koto Ryu Koppojutsu
Kukishinden Ryu Happo Hikenjutsu
Tagaki Yoshin Ryu Jutaijutsu
Gikan Ryu Koppojutsu
Kumogakure Ryu Ninpo
Gyokushin Ryu Ninpo
These are just the nine strongest families out of thirty something. Each Ryu is a Martial Arts with in itself possesed of it's inherent strong points and weakness. Fundamentals of Grappling, kicking, punching, body movement, timing are all found. It's the person who applies them that determines their outcome.
I am happy that all Those of you that Practice BJJ and Mixed martial arts have found somewhere your sould and passions call home. My best friends keep me on my toes all the time putting me into submission holds constantly. lol. ( once in awhile I "ninja" them back lol.) For those who's happiness lies in others styles, wish them well and be glad they are doing something and not just wasting their lives.
Well my fingers are out of breath so...later.
1. Yes Ninjitsu is dirty, grimey, off the wall and teaches things that any tradional dojo wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. Why? It's because it's system was developed during a time of war ( yeah you heard this before). War is not pretty. It doesn't have rules or opponents that will let you go once you tap or give up. A referee that will stop a fight if things get out of hand. So yes in actual combat there is no such thing as "dirty fighting". you do what you do to stay alive. Ask the hostages that had their heads sawed off if they really gave a care about the rules of Pride, UFC or MMA.
2. The BJJer's do have their point which is this. In Feudal Japan, the practioners of Ninjitsu did not just study in the dojo. Their skill was tested on a daily basis in real life and death situations that don't exist now. Given our western society, our laws and way of life people are not swinging swords or throwing metsubishi ( any thrown weapon) into others faces. One thing that MMA, Tough-Man, UFC teach is acessing your primal brain. Whether it's competion or not, they are training to be physical. In a combat situation would they be perfect, would a BJJ or MMA win or lose? Depends on the circumstances or situation. I have fought a couple of Tough-man and fought Thai in the ring. I notice that alot of students in my Ninjitsu class do not posess the pragmatic, killer instict they would need in a real fight. Yes they may develop it over a period of time, but People who study MMA, BJJ develop that instinct alot sooner.
3. About this (ninjitsu) not being a real Martial Art...Well, it's not! In the System of "Ninjitsu" you find:
Togakure Ryu Ninjutsu
Gyokko Ryu Koshijutsu
Koto Ryu Koppojutsu
Kukishinden Ryu Happo Hikenjutsu
Tagaki Yoshin Ryu Jutaijutsu
Gikan Ryu Koppojutsu
Kumogakure Ryu Ninpo
Gyokushin Ryu Ninpo
These are just the nine strongest families out of thirty something. Each Ryu is a Martial Arts with in itself possesed of it's inherent strong points and weakness. Fundamentals of Grappling, kicking, punching, body movement, timing are all found. It's the person who applies them that determines their outcome.
I am happy that all Those of you that Practice BJJ and Mixed martial arts have found somewhere your sould and passions call home. My best friends keep me on my toes all the time putting me into submission holds constantly. lol. ( once in awhile I "ninja" them back lol.) For those who's happiness lies in others styles, wish them well and be glad they are doing something and not just wasting their lives.
Well my fingers are out of breath so...later.
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