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Hey there, I am going to do this "journal" thing, but first I need some help, and sorry if this is the wrong spot.

I want to start a cycle... here is what I have so far as for gear...

Test E 250 (3 viles to last me at least 12 weeks)
Clomid 50 (PCT)( 2 bottles to last me as well)
and I got LiquiDex 30mg/mL (AI)

These were all told to me as to what I would need for my first cycle. So I am now wondering... How often of each, dosage of each.. if each is actually needed (I ask this as I was told the AI is not necessarily needed, the LiquiDex, but is good to have just in case?).

The LiquiDex came with a oral syringe thing... and I also got Syringe with needle: 3cc/mL Syringe 23G x 1.5" 25/Pack (was reading around and this seemed like a decent set to get? I got 3 orders of it, so total of 75.

I also need to know how to read these syringes... I am 100% new to needles... on myself.. and don't know the conversions or whatever is needed...

Sorry for all the newb questions, but I just want to make sure I do things correctly and properly as to lessen my chance or harming myself.

oh and if it helps.. I am 6'4 1/2" and about 226lbs. age 25
 
OK bro I am scoulding you...
You put your cart before the horse man and thats not the best way to start this kind of thing out.
Take a step back and think about this for a minute....
You wanna shoot something into yourself to gain muscle. Ok a lot of us on here are right there with you in this.
BUT
this is some serious shit bro and you MUST educate yourself first which you have not done and thats def not good!
you are talking about messing with your bodies hormone levels, do you have any idea how this can affect your quality of life?
I will do all I can to help you out bro but you need to pay attention and take the brow beating that comes with it.
So its up to you.
IF you want my help then keep posting in here. If not then I dont expect to see you in this section, your call.

Also I wanna say that at least you are asking for help and thats why I responded to you. You did not shoot it first and then tell us that your all fucked up and "help me". Good for you!
So post up and we will continue this.
 
zedhed said:
OK bro I am scoulding you...
You put your cart before the horse man and thats not the best way to start this kind of thing out.
Take a step back and think about this for a minute....
You wanna shoot something into yourself to gain muscle. Ok a lot of us on here are right there with you in this.
BUT
this is some serious shit bro and you MUST educate yourself first which you have not done and thats def not good!
you are talking about messing with your bodies hormone levels, do you have any idea how this can affect your quality of life?
I will do all I can to help you out bro but you need to pay attention and take the brow beating that comes with it.
So its up to you.
IF you want my help then keep posting in here. If not then I dont expect to see you in this section, your call.

Also I wanna say that at least you are asking for help and thats why I responded to you. You did not shoot it first and then tell us that your all fucked up and "help me". Good for you!
So post up and we will continue this.
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THANK YOU!... that is all I ask.. that is why I came looking for help.. I got the supplies that were recommended, but they didn't tell when to take what.. etc.. etc...

the best i got was this http : / / articles dot muscletalk dot co dot uk / article-beginners-steroids-faq dot aspx

which gave me more information. I just got to make sure I am not f'n myself up, and I definitely don't want "bitch tits" as it gets referred to at times if not properly done, at least from what I have been reading... I work nights and so I have plenty of time to read whatever someone throws at me.

I definitely don't plan to start shooting shit into me until I know what and how to do. Thanks for the reply ^_^
 
Ok good for you bro. Am glad to hear this.
Got to run now but will be back soon and we will get started.
 
zedhed said:
Ok good for you bro. Am glad to hear this.
Got to run now but will be back soon and we will get started.
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NP I have to run as well.. but i have my droid phone on me at all times so i may respond from my phone when I am out and about..



and again.. thanks :)
 
Ok so lets begin.
So the peeps that told you to do this, this way are not your frndz. They do not have your best interests in mind, so dump them! They obviously dont care if you really fuck yourself up or not, you dont need them in your life IMO.

Now typically I would tell a person of your age to wait. But you already have the gear so IMO thats a waste of time. But in reality 25 is on the young side for AAS. The reason is that your bod is still at its peak for test levels. If you would be willing to wait it really would be better for your health in the long term.

So you have Test Enan 250 and a handfull of 3 ml syringes. Look at your syringes. There will be marks on them going from 1 to 3. That is how much compound you have pulled into the syringe. Mls are the same thing as CCs. So you have Test 250. If you pull up to the 1 mark then you have 250 mls of test in the syringe tube. If you were to pull up to the 3 mark you would have 750 mls/ccs of compound in the syringe.

So for your first cycle of test only, a good amount of test would be 500 mls/week. You have Test Enan so you could shoot it all at once or break it up. I believe that most peeps on here break it up, however I shoot enan all at once (up to 750 mls of T250 in my delts or quads). So its entirely up to you.

Are your needles attached to your syringes?
I need to know this in order to tell you how to draw from the vials etc.
 
yep they all (75 of them) came each individually wrapped with needles attached.. all one time use things.

and ok.. so shooting like on a monday and thursday i guess would be a good idea.. now how long is the cycle your talking about.. i heard 12 weeks.. but ive heard some shorter. doing just test is easier to get down then remembering when to do everything else.
 
Just test is a smart first cycle bro for a number of reasons. Most important tho is you get to see how your bod reacts to it and your learning with one compound instead of many.

Ok with your needles are attached to the is not the best way to go for this kind of use. The reason is cuz when you push the needle into your vials you are blunting that tip and that makes for a more painful injection. So you can do one of 2 things here. Get more syringes without needles attached. Also get 18 or 20 gauge needles 1" long for these. This will be the setup that you use to draw the test out of the vial.

Or you just use what you have and deal with the pain. If it were me I would get the additional syringes and needles. Much more comfortable.
Tell me what you decide.

Mon and Thur would be just fine.
For your first cycle I would prefer to see you go with 8 weeks. You could run for 10-12 weeks but along with that additional time you also get more and worse side effects, thats why I suggest 8 weeks.
 
zedhed said:
Just test is a smart first cycle bro for a number of reasons. Most important tho is you get to see how your bod reacts to it and your learning with one compound instead of many.

Ok with your needles are attached to the is not the best way to go for this kind of use. The reason is cuz when you push the needle into your vials you are blunting that tip and that makes for a more painful injection. So you can do one of 2 things here. Get more syringes without needles attached. Also get 18 or 20 gauge needles 1" long for these. This will be the setup that you use to draw the test out of the vial.

Or you just use what you have and deal with the pain. If it were me I would get the additional syringes and needles. Much more comfortable.
Tell me what you decide.

Mon and Thur would be just fine.
For your first cycle I would prefer to see you go with 8 weeks. You could run for 10-12 weeks but along with that additional time you also get more and worse side effects, thats why I suggest 8 weeks.
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You know.. I never thought about that, the whole needle dulling thing... but since I bought 75 of them, I will just deal. I used to do medical studies for extra cash, and not all the "nurses" or well... "techs" were not the best at inserting needles, I learned to deal with the pain, especially with quite a few blood draws, or pokes daily. SO I will just deal with the pain. Not saying you are wrong, just that I spent a lot and right now have my car in the shop getting 2500 of work done to the transmission.... grr..

as for just running test, sounds good to me... is there any specific time during the day or just as long as I keep it on schedule of mon/thu I should be good?

oh and the vile for the test e is 250mg/ml does that mean every ML of the test is 250mg? which would mean a 10ml vile would last me 5 weeks? I never used needles before as stated, and I hate math, so I just want to make sure I do it right.. My fiance was in AP calculus in school, so I have her do my math for me :P lol.

again... thanks so much for the help and assistance :)... I should have came here first.
 
Thanks bro.

The pain is not tremendous, just more then necessary bro.
Your math is fine.

Now for injecting..
I like to heat my gear up first. Makes for a very comfortable injection and is no trouble to do at all.
I run the hottest tap water that I can get from the tap into the sink, up to the shoulder of the vials.
While the water is getting hot is a good time to clean the tops of your vials. You would not believe the filth that is on them.
Get an alcohol swab and swab the tops of the vials for 15-30 seconds.
Put your vials in the hot water and keep them standing upright so that the tops dont get contaminated.
Swab your injection site same as the vials.

Now you get your syringe and get the vial out of the sink. On your syringe pull the plunger out equal to the amount of juice your gonna pull from the vial. Shoot that air into the vial with the vial upright. That will make it easy for you to get the juice from the vial into the syringe. Now turn the vial upside down and just pull out what you need. Go one of the little marks over what you are actually gonna shoot.

Pull the needle from the vial.
With the needle pointing up gently push just one drop of juice out and let it run down the needle so that it gets lubricated.
Now you are ready to push the needle into you.

But you should aspirate the needle too.

Find the injection spot on you. Put the needle in. With your 1 1/2" needles you should go at least 2/3rds of the way in. IDK how big you are but I am thinking that your not real big. So that depth should get it in but not touch bone.

Now pull the plunger back just a tiny bit. You will either see an air bubble or blood. If you see blood just pull it out and move it over a mm or 2. Air is good go ahead and push the juice in. I like to do it as my bod takes it, some guyz just push it in. UP to you.

BTW if you hit a nerve you will have no doubt what you did. No big deal just pull out and mover over a bit and try again.

Now pull the needle out. You may get a drop of blood and you may even get a squirt. Thats ok as long as its stops right away.
Your done.

Right now your PCT sucks. We will discuss that next session.
Feel free with any questions.
This really is not as hard or as lengthy as it reads out to be.
 
It's super long in a phone lol...


now to be serious..... this sounds so much simpler than anticipated.

the PCT wasn't super expensive.... so if I have to bite 140 I'm on... to get the good stuff.... but you said 8 weeks of just test? so guess I don't have to worry about the Clomid then anyways. nor the ai :) very glad I chose to be smart and ask about this all before I just went ahead and did it anyways.
 
What else do I need to know? I am thinking starting this Monday? but if there is more I need to know, I can just keep working out without it and wait till next Monday or something.

I guess I forgot to mention that... I work at a hotel, so I can use the gym anytime I want, especially after I get done on my shift of being on my feet and walking all night. :). and when I am not working, I could go use it, or I have exercise stuff at home, or I read somewhere that I should do 3-4 hours of cardio a week on this stuff? ... I live in Seattle, so I could just go for a nice jog or something up and down all these damned hills.
 
Ok for PCT you need to get all of the following,
Forma Stanozol x2
Unleashed z1

You already have your AI. If you get itchy, puffy or painful nipp then use it as needed.
I would just hold on to the clomid bro. Should not be necessary for this cycle.

Also I would suggest getting Proviron. I dont run a cycle with out it. You would dose it 20mg/day.

I would like for you to put up the program that you are planning on useing during your cycle plz.
 
Oh. and I forgot to ask.. food.. I was reading you want to take in higher calories/carbs when doing this stuff? if so.. does that mean I get to eat more pasta and the such? lol. And I think I read I need to eat more than just 3 normal meals a day... just want to make sure this is correct.
 
OK.. so I should get PCT before I start tho? or at least within the first 8 weeks? I got a oral syringe thing with the LiquiDex.. how much would I use? and I heard to mix it with some type of juice? because by itself it tastes like absolute shit? As for ProViron I will get it, how necessary is it? what does it do? Do I need it before starting? or can i start and get it while im on my cycle? I will do whatever is best recommended.

As for the program.. I do.. well at least now I do..

I typically do about 3 sets of each area and then i, according to what i was told, move the weights up each set. Once I get home, I do a bit of walking/jogging, especially up hill. I also use the treadmill/bicycle at the gym. Also at home I have my pull up bar in the kitchen doorway so that anytime I am leaving the kitchen I have to do pull ups, and I was thinking, but won't if not recommended, to start P90 again. I did it before, as well as Insanity, just not at same time. I also have medicine balls, bands, weights.. all kinds of nifty things to keep myself pushing hard.

This is the gym I have at my work, it is where I workout, They have a huge long workout routine poster on the wall that gives you like an hour - two hour long routine.
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That gym is ok for now. But you will need a better set up pretty soon bro.
I want for you to actually write out the exact program that you are using right now and we will either trash that or build off of it.
Eating from 3-5x per day is fine. Just make sure its "clean" forget the pasta bro its crap.
Stick with meats of all kinds, lean cuts tho.
Veggies
Whole grain bread once in a while.
Sweet potatoes, natty peanut butter, mixed nuts but not peanuts, hard boiled eggs and eggs in general, milk, some cheese.
 
typically... and I'll try to name the workouts appropriately.... as I don't know all the actual names of each workout... but...

I usually do about 3 sets of leg presses... About 10 to 15 reps each set...

leg curls... same.. 3 sets 10 to 15 reps.. adding more weight each set...

I essentially do any workout I can on the machines and do 3 sets if 10 to 15 for each one.. adding more weight each time. that is what I was told to do before. if it's wrong I am ready to hear what is right.

the last things I usually do is the bicycle or Treadmill .. I usually alternate each day.. one day bike... one day tread. and u usually go 3+ miles... depending in time. I just moved to where I'm at so I'm still trying to get things squared away... but typically I have about 1 or 1 and half hours to about 2 hours or So at the gym to do what is needed.
 
Holding off till next Monday to make sure this is all right, and to find out if just test is fine, and if I feel sore or puffy nipples and the stuff you mentioned just take the AI. Didn't want to start anything without making sure that running just test is ok. I am going to start doing a lot more walking, and less driving to and from places as well, to help get in my cardio.
 
Yes bro you are correct in your post above. Just test is a good cycle anytime at any level of experience.
For your workouts....try to do a whole body workout each time you workout. Hit everything from your chin to your heels 3x per week.
You do not have to do direct isolated work. In fact better if you dont. Go to google and put in compound lifting. That is the kind of stuff you wanna be doing.
At this point eat when your hungry and eat till your comfortable. Also drink a protein shake 2x/day. That should do you just fine for now. The walking and bike are good too.
Looks like your ready to go.
 
sweet man.. you are so aweosme. and when you say protein shake... is why protein good enough or any type of specific I will need to get? I can run to GNC if I have to. So sounds like I will start on monday, especially as its the first of the month, it'll be easier to keep track of how long I been doing the stuff. :). I will definitely keep updated...

so now another question...

how does this journal thing work? should I post a pre test pic and post like a pic every 2 weeks to show improvement? or do I just keep updated on improvements I see? I would honestly rather just show the end results :P lol
 
Yep whey is good bro.

Just put in here what your doing, workout, diet and beginning pics. Would be gr8 if you could put pics up 4 weeks or so apart. Every 2 weeks isnt gonna show much.

Check out Colstreamer, Hawt & Sexy and DMK logs to see what they put up.
 
will do :) I am finally starting tonight, or well... today... so.. few weeks, hope to see some results, I am sure I will. Luckily I am getting better. i was sick past couple days, finally on the day I want to start, I got better :)... It was meant to be lol.


Thanks for all the amazing help, i am glad to find a place where people aren't scared to talk about this stuff... o.O
 
Hey bro hows it going for you man?
 
Hey, sorry, this week has been super crazy at work... but I still been hitting the gym, and while I am actually .... "working" I am doing push ups... sit ups.. wall sits... pretty much whatever I can do without weights. Something to keep me going, because I have read what happens if you do steroids and don't do any working out... doesn't sound too appealing.

I will agree with you that the needle isn't tremendous pain, just more than necessary, I actually didn't feel it at all going in, it was a few hours later, and the last couple of days that it has been a well... Pain in the ass.... just a bit sore, but I deal with it, it don't phase me much because I know that the soreness will be worth it in the end.

I am trying to eat good, been doing decent on that, but my sleep is where I have been really messing up this week. Today for example, up at 10pm to get to work night before, didnt go to sleep till about 630 last night, then had to get up at 10 again. So about 3 1/2 hours of sleep... and still have to work till 7am, probably won't be home till about 830am since ill do my workout. I know sleep is a big thing while doing this, at least from what I have read, So I have been trying to get better sleep habits, I generally do not sleep much, I am always finding things to do, and keeping myself up, with school work, and some other stuff.

Other than all that, doing good, I am sore from working out, and pushing hard to get good results. And I just want to make sure, but I think I read to workout pretty much till you can't push anymore? I been doing that, if that is too much let me know. I been working myself good to make sure I make the money I spent worth it.
 
Always leave the gym with a little bit left in the tank bro. Do you have access to free weights at all?
 
umm.. no.. I mean I have some like I think 2 and 5 pound dumbbells at home.. and then some bands and of course some other things, but free weights, not so much.. but I can purchase some no problem.
 
Question:.... OK so I am now done with the first week, so far so good, feeling great :)... but I have a question.. Around the area where I inject, no I dont poke the same hole over and over, I do a different spot, thus far, two times... I feel where it's like... hard? sort of, kind of like there is a knot? I guess you could say, and it's really sore.. not unbearable, but if it gets touched wrong, I know it for sure. I can work out, I can run, I can do anything I want, it's only if I sit on it wrong or it gets hit wrong... is this normal? just want to make sure. I am doing everything just as you said.. I "warm" up the test, sanitize the top, sanitize the area of injection.. push plunger till a bit comes out to make sure no air bubbles, go in about 3/4 of the way, pull plunger out a bit to make sure no blood, and then if ok, I push in and let the body take as it does, I don't just push it all in at once......

just want to be sure nothing is wrong before it gets too far... it really, like I mentioned, doesn't affect me too much, I just rather be safe than sorry.
 
OK, I googled it, and actually got results? o.O... sounds like it could be Virgin muscles getting used to the needle? or Sometimes when injecting you sometimes dont get deep enough to penetrate the muscle therefore creating a pocket of oil which might be the case?

Also, forgot to ask, where do you recommend injecting? I was thinking just switch sides each week, this first week was the right cheek, this week would be the left... and keep switching sides each week? or...
 
Sorry it took me so long to get back to you bro.
Ok you always want to rotate injection sites. That hard lump could be scar tissue or a pocket of oil. I would recommend massaging that firmly for a couple of day to be sure its not the latter.
If it gets really sore and painful then that means that you could have an abscess so in that case you would want to go to the DR and get it taken care of. Its not that big a deal and comes with the territory for some of us.
You can inject delts, quads and calves very easily. If you do calves then only do the outer meaty portion right in the center of the muscle. Most guys dont like doing calves but for me its no prob.
You can also do chest if you have enough meat there. The way to do it is go up from your nipple a few inches and to either side of center. They is a pretty big vein running vertically right in the center of each pec, thats why you wanna go either side of center.
I dont do gluts cuz its too hard for me to get twisted around to hit them. But if they work for you then fine. Just add in quads or delts etc and your g2g.
 
It is totally OK, I don't expect immediate responses ^_^. I will probably do right cheek, left cheek, then the delts, right then left, etc.. etc... I did have a question, Would heat effect the injection site at all in a negative way? I am just wondering because I read somewhere that you want to ice it after and massage a bit? I just wondered if heat would affect it at all because the warmth feels so good in my car because I have heated seats, and it seems like it affects it, but could just be me thinkin too much. Just thought I would ask. As for my chest injections, I don't think I have enough meat there to do it, unless only go in like maybe 1/4 of an inch.
 
Not ice bro, use heat. Heat does help injection pain.
Yeah if you dont think you have enough on your chest yet then dont hit it.
 
well ok then... I will keep enjoying my heated seats in my car on HI setting ^_^... yeah the lump seems to be slowly going away, but i hit the other side this last time, and yeah its sore, no lump just sore... I don't think my ass likes gettin hit... so I will be trying a different location... do you have a link to a really good diagram of exactly where to stick the needle? I google it but I don't know how accurate the ones I find are.
 
OK... so I was actually able to do the pecs... but I definitely need a smaller needle for anything NOT my glute... what would you recommend as far as Gauge? I tried to do my thigh... but either because I just had got done going 8 miles on a bicycle and my leg was all tight, or the needle gauge was just ... too big? but it did NOT want to go in.. lol... but I know I am definitely done with the glute for a while... the lump on the right side is going away, i pretty much feel no soreness on that side anymore, but the one on the left, I feel it, it IS going away, but it is still a pain to sit, but it IS going away... I am thinking probably because I never have done anything like this. I am used to needles in my arms, because I used to do medical studies for cash, and they draw A LOT of blood sometimes... but I usually avoid injections.. so my body is not used to it. I have started using heat, and massaging more on the sites, seems to help :). But like I first stated... recommendation on needle gauge? I will buy some more ASAP, the one in my pec wasn't bad, it was sore though, but it was a bit of a pain to get in, mostly because the gauge I am using isn't exactly small.
 
Which injection site are you asking for gauge? That website had all the info btw. Lol I'm honestly too scared to try chest on my own. I've only done my delts and I use a 25g 1inch for it.
 
25 ga 1.5" for everything anywhere. I just dont necessarily put it in all the way in less meaty places.

Heating your gear up first helps too bro. Goes thru the needle easier and not nearly as much PIP.
 
zedhed said:
25 ga 1.5" for everything anywhere. I just dont necessarily put it in all the way in less meaty places.

Heating your gear up first helps too bro. Goes thru the needle easier and not nearly as much PIP.
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Yeah I been heating just like you said in the beginning. Decently warm water, up to the neck, etc.. etc... so sounds like I have the right length, just not the right gauge, as right now it is the 23G that I am using. I will definitely pick up some 25s though as I am sure they will feel considerably better lol. Once I get some time, I will post some pics. I will see if I still have my pre roids pic, I have been at this now about 2 weeks :), my fiance says she notices some differences already, and I think I do as well, but onl time will tell :).
 
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Which injection site are you asking for gauge? That website had all the info btw. Lol I'm honestly too scared to try chest on my own. I've only done my delts and I use a 25g 1 inch for it.
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Chest actually wasn't all that bad, it's a bit iffy at first, but once you get the needle in, I just like Zed mentioned, don't put it in all the way, and I don't just shoot the stuff in, I do it slowly and let my body take it in.
 
Thats what I do bro. Makes for much more comfort IMO.
 
Once I get paid... definitely getting the smaller gauge... tried the spot in my underarm... went in nice... although.. I finally did hit a nerve.. and damn were you right... you WILL know what you have done... pulled out, moved a few over, and voila, nice and easy... definitely a bit sore now... but nothing that can't be dealt with. thanks again for all the help thus far ^_^
 
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I used to use 23g because that's all I had. Ordered some 25g... soooo much better. Dont even feel it. So smooth
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That would be nice lol. but I am the same... it is all I have.. I ordered 75 of em... those bastids... lol.. but I will definitely be getting some 25s as soon as I get paid... 23 isn't horrible... but it's definitely not amazing either lol.
 
OK... another question... I noticed tonight that my nipple area had some light green discoloration? maybe a LITTLE bit up puffiness?... no soreness or anything... is this something to worry about considerably? should I take the liquidex? if so how much and how.... it came with a oral syringe, but I have heard it tastes dreadful as all hell.

EDIT: OK, few hours later, and noticing it never showed back up... I am thinking it may have been the way I was sleeping on it and then the way the light was hitting it? especially seeing as it was only my right nipple, which I injected my left, or well, my left pec, and I am guessing IF there was an issue, wouldn't it affect BOTH nipples? not just one?
 
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Not sure about the dose for the liquidex. But when i had some what puffy nips it affected my left one first
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Well hmm... Guess I will keep an eye on it.. No puffy today, at all.. just that one instance yesterday for a couple seconds... so I am thinking it is the way I was sleeping or something.. not sure.. because it still hasn't shown back up...

but to ask again.. where you guys get your needles? I am probably going to buy just the 25g needles, keep the needles I have, use those to fill up the syringe, then swap out the 23 for the 25g after the syringe is full :)...
 
That's all I am looking for lol. I am getting pretty sore lol... I just live through it because I know at the end the little soreness will be worth it :)
 
Browsing around I read this long article about Phytoserms-347... damn is it expensive... but would it be something to look into once my "cycle" is over? THe article is here Phytoserms-347 Testosterone Booster with 347% Surge, Decimates Estrogen, Unrivaled Pro-Sexual Effects | Bodybuilding News EliteFitness.com .. I am sure you have all probably seen it... I am only on the first part of week 4 of my cycle... but I just want to know, so I will save up for it. can easily pay for it in one pay check, but I would rather slowly save, so I have more left out of that one paycheck :).
 
zedhed said:
Ok for PCT you need to get all of the following,
Forma Stanozol x2
Unleashed z1

You already have your AI. If you get itchy, puffy or painful nipp then use it as needed.
I would just hold on to the clomid bro. Should not be necessary for this cycle.

Also I would suggest getting Proviron. I dont run a cycle with out it. You would dose it 20mg/day.

I would like for you to put up the program that you are planning on useing during your cycle plz.
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Had to go back through to find this post... I have my AI like you stated, how much do I use and how frequently... only when I feel it? or after I feel it use it a few times? I think I am getting there... it is getting Itchy and a bit puffy, nothing too painful.. but my right one definitely feeling.. .there is a bit of pain but that may just be the soreness from the injection.. main question is... how much of the LiquiDex do I use, and I read it is OK to mix it with stuff due to the fact that it tastes like absolute crap... or is it better to just deal with the taste and get it in there?

EDIT: OK, read around for awhile and finally found a posting that mentions to take 0.5ML.... but not how many times... should I just start taking it once a week, once a day... once every few days... I will continue looking to see if I can find it..

EDIT: OK, I found a few posts where it sounds like, you can do the L-Dex ED or EOD, some people start it from the beginning of their cycle, some after they see side effects... I am thinking I will do 0.5MG/ML w/e... EOD?
 
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OK, so I have been taking my Anti-E (LiquiDex, which actually doesn't taste that bad, the aftertaste isn't the best, but only lasts about 30 seconds) the past couple of days, 0.5MG, I know you need to wait a week or so to notice anything, but my fiance keeps bugging me that I should go see a doctor, I have a really hard and pretty painful, if it is touched wrong or laid on wrong, it is somewhat tender and annoying when it ISN'T being touched, but it's not something I can't deal with, I just know it's there, lump ABOVE my nipple, not behind it or w/e, but it is at my injection spot. It is really red, and it itches when stuff rubs on it, I am posting a couple pictures, but my nipples seem to be getting puffy, and sometimes they are kind of wrinkly with a light green tint to them? As well, you CAN see the lump in person, if I have my shirt up or off. especially if I am stretching, which kind of hurts, you definitely see the lump, it is like I put a golf ball into my chest, or at least half of one.

well, here are the pics, is this the dreaded Gynecomastia, or is it just a bad injection that will go away. I don't have this problem anywhere else, just with this ONE injection spot. This bright redness has been there for about a week or so now, if I hold my chest I can run fine and walk fine, but jumping and running without holding my chest in place, doesn't feel good on it.....

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Hope these pics help. I was at work when I took them, so lighting wasn't the best, but I was at least just trying to show it the best I can.
 
Is that exactly where you injected? It looks like its an infected injection site. I'd get that looked that. You feel any sides? Gyno feels more like tissue and is near or behind the nipples.
 
Yeah it was actually infected.. it was where I injected.. I ended up getting an abscess AND cellulitis... Went to Harborview up here in Washington, only live 2 blocks away :), they put me in right away and took out a huge chunk, or well a good size piece, of my chest. Now I gotta go in every day to have them change the dressing and what not... I got to watch em cut me, they put me on lanacane, and it was a lot deeper than they thought so they had to shoot me up with morphine... my fiance was with me and when they went to show her how to change the dressing, because it has to go INSIDE the wound to help it heal a certain way, she became the patient, she got very pale and sweating profusely, and almost passed out... so yeah... it was a fun day yesterday lol.

They said the roids I got are probably contaminated and blah blah...

also found out that LiquiDex, the anti-e is what doctors give to Breast Cancer patients..... o.0... SO I gotta lay off for a while.. I will just continue to work out the normal way... but for now I can only do my lower half, i.e. my legs/cardio, since my chest has a big hole in it, can't exactly do a lot of lifting or anything :(... oh well.. to GNC i'll go and try to forget how much I spent on all my gear already lol.
 
Just an update.. doing ok.. still going to be doing at least cycling, but anything involving stretching my chest is out of the question until the gapping hole is gone.

Roids was the fast way to get what I wanted, now i'll do the slow and natural way, but still use GNC stuff.

Also as a side note.. I went to the forum that where I had gone before this one, where I had found someone that referred me to the place I got the "gear", and I posted a warning about the company, and they banned me lol. Guess they want their users to get hurt? wow.
 
You injected in your chest? Why not ur ass?


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Once my chest is healed I will be probably picking up some supplements, other than roids, to workout with... anyone have some suggestions on what I should pick up? I got a couple weeks, because I can't workout too hardcore right now with the hole in my chest. Most I can do is like bicycle and what not... Maybe treadmill... but that may affect my chest as well.
 
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Also as a side note.. I went to the forum that where I had gone before this one, where I had found someone that referred me to the place I got the "gear", and I posted a warning about the company, and they banned me lol. Guess they want their users to get hurt? wow.
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It probably wasnt the gear. You probably didn't inject deep enough or Did something else wrong. You can't blame the gear if it may have been your fault. I wouldn't be injecting in my chest anyways. Lots of other easier places
 
Who knows, but, wishful thinking all around.....you too Juice! Everyone, do your homework. Look what just happened with fed regulated suppliers and the steroid compounds with encephalitis.
 
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It probably wasnt the gear. You probably didn't inject deep enough or Did something else wrong. You can't blame the gear if it may have been your fault. I wouldn't be injecting in my chest anyways. Lots of other easier places
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It was the gear. it wasn't my first time injecting in my chest.. BUT.. it WAS a new bottle, that bottle is probably the one that was contaminated :(. OH well.... plus since I got cellulitis, it means w/e I injected into me was contaminated, that had nothing to do with how far i injected myself.

What is everyone's thoughts on Oral steroids? I know they have the potential to be bad for your liver or w/e. I would like to continue injecting, but for now, I am done with injecting for a bit.

I might just keep going with the natural work out thing and just get like supplements from GNC and the such.
 
Dam dude I inject way higher on my chest. I would have never thought to go that low...
Glad to hear that you got it all cleared up tho as thats what counts.
PM Nate and ask him for a better PCT too bro.
 
Yeah, I was just trying to keep it where there was the most meat. As for the PM'ing.. I will get on that soon. For now I am trying to get my body back to balanced. The pain meds they gave me, Oxycodone, gave me Insomnia, and fluctuating body temp, one second cold as hell, next hot as shit sweating like a racehorse. The insomnia about drained me, I had to stop, so now I am trying to get my sleep back to normal, as I know when you workout, you need to make sure your sleep is normal, as well as your food. I had some unexpected car repairs on top of all this, so I am super low on food, so my food intake is dwindling as well, completely messing up my normal routine. WOrking out is a pain as well until this chest hole heals up. If I stretch it too much, or there is too much movement on my chest area it makes it bleed a bit, so I have to be "gentle" ugh... I hate it, I am so active, and this is kicking my ass.... grr.
 
I don't mean to be rude or anything but by the looks of your chest from the picture you posted, you shouldn't even be touching gear. Focus more on diet and training.
 
I think it was the way the pic was taken. I have more photos somewhere, but I been having a lot of things going on lately, I swear every paycheck I have to fix something on my car, by the time I am done, I will have a brand new car o.0... then bills keep popping up, paycheck to paycheck SUCKS! just saying lol...

I will keep working on a good diet and training though ^_^. I need to pick up some more why protein, I keep forgetting, grr. I mix it with Almond milk, damn it tastes good haha.
 
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