new to the forum, thoughts on this cycle please

[ACEofHEARTZ]

Hi guys, new to this forum so any input would be much appreciated (no matter how harsh it is)

Okay.. so after 4 years of training (on & off), one pro-hormone and 3 steroid cycles under my belt, Im thinking of going all out.

Current stats, 70kg real hard gainer, 5f8", 22 years of age.

Spent the past month or so researching so id like to think ive done my homework.. anyway on to the cycle:

D-bol week 1-8 50mg/day
1 tab morning, 2 with lunch and 2 before bed to keep blood levels high.
Test E week 1-8 700mg/week
350mg monday and thursday, needle 25g1"
Tren E week 1-8 500mg/week
250mg monday and thursday, needle 25g1"
Deca week 1-8 600mg/week
300mg monday and thursday, needle 25g1"

Support supps:
N2GUARD- 7 caps/day, pre-load 1 week all the way to end of pct.

AI- Arimidex ( this is where im a bit confused cuz different sources cant seem to agree whether to run it with the cycle or have it on hand, help at this point particularly will be much appreciated )

HCG- last 2 weeks of cycle through to end of pct, 500iu/week (250mg mon and thurs, using an insulin pin)
just wanna make sure i have thus right.. if i had a vial of 5000iu then i need to mix with 10ml of bac water to get my desired concentration?

Caber, since running both tren and deca thought this was essential. dose 0.5mg E3D while on cycle.

So onto pct:
start 14 days after last pin:
clomid and nolva/; 1 loading day, 200/80
next 5 days, 150/60
next 5 days 100/40
last 10 days 50/20

Diet: currently on 150g protein and 3500+ kcals aday, will bump both up while on cycle.

Any input at all will be much appreciated.
Cheers Ace

 

[Mekat]

oh man...what the fuck is going on here bro??? im not trying to be a dick but why the fuck are u only 155lbs after 4 cycles?? something is completely wrong here..and why have u done 4 cycles when ur only 22?? too much wayyyy too soon... u need to rethink ur whole gameplan... just plzz put the roids down coz their obviously not helping u.. and they will end up damaging u in long run

 

[oxymoron]

Have u had blood work done? If so what are the values?

If not, u need to. U may have jacked things up and ur gonna want to know.

And by the way, that cycle is laid out very very wrong.


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[msheldon1]

shit, I'm new to the forums as well but damn theres something wrong with this post... just doesnt add up...

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[Evan Tipps]

To young, not a good enough base, shitty pct.

 

[goin on 4T]

Why are you running long esters that don't kick in for 3 weeks for 8 weeks total?
I wouldn't run dbol for 8 weeks. 4-6 weeks is great

 

[keepnitreal]

4 years ON AND OFF....that says it all. Id wait to run a cycle if i were you

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[RickRock13]

You need to reevaluate your diet and training regiment before ever considering running anything again. Running a big stack of anabolics is not the answer you are looking for to give you your muscle. After 4 cycles you haven't gained much mass if any at all, so there lies the problem. You are too young to be messing with these things anyways IMO, but first and foremost you need to learn how to gain naturally.

 

[ACEofHEARTZ]

To young, not a good enough base, shitty pct.

appreciate ur reply, bro ive been busting my ass off in the gym the past 4 years and put on 15 kg which i thought was ok? (yes i used to be bout 55 kg), but recently ive hit a solid Plataea ( for over 6 months now. any advice how i cxan improve my base, also my pct for future reference. Thanks

 

[ACEofHEARTZ]

Have u had blood work done? If so what are the values?

If not, u need to. U may have jacked things up and ur gonna want to know.

And by the way, that cycle is laid out very very wrong.


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thanks for the advice, will do a blood works asap.
any advice on how to improve the cycle/pct for future reference. mind my ignorance bro but im still learning here. Cheers

 

[stevesmi]

put up a pic man.. you aren't gonna convince anyone on here that at 155 pounds after 4 cycles you are on the right road unless your pics say otherwise. some guys just don't weigh much but looked great. you could be one of those

your cycle makes no sense as has been outlined. never run nolva with deca. that PCT will kill your motivation

changing your diet and workouts could be your solution here to add a quick 15 pounds, so lets sort that out first .. because all you are gonna end up doing is blowing up on cycle, and losing it all off cycle. thats pretty much what you have been doing so far. whats the point of juicing if thats what is gonna happen?

 

[swervn]

You shouldn't even be thinking of steroids at 22. You should read more books on nutrition and weight training. Look at steroids when you hit your 30's and read, read, read. Learn as much as possible before you play. You can seriously damage yourself. I have friends that have to take testosterone shots just so their dick will work because of years of improper steroid use.

 

[ACEofHEARTZ]

put up a pic man.. you aren't gonna convince anyone on here that at 155 pounds after 4 cycles you are on the right road unless your pics say otherwise. some guys just don't weigh much but looked great. you could be one of those

your cycle makes no sense as has been outlined. never run nolva with deca. that PCT will kill your motivation

changing your diet and workouts could be your solution here to add a quick 15 pounds, so lets sort that out first .. because all you are gonna end up doing is blowing up on cycle, and losing it all off cycle. thats pretty much what you have been doing so far. whats the point of juicing if thats what is gonna happen?

thanks for ur input bro, Im not planing on starting a cycle anytime soon, im still in the research phase. again mind my ignorance but why are nolva and deca not compatible and how can i change pct? will put up photos, any input will be appreciated. thanks

 

[goin on 4T]

Thats a solid look right there bro!

 

[ACEofHEARTZ]

Thats a solid look right there bro!

Thanks bro, what changes to the cycle or pct would u recommend? most people who comment said there's something wrong with lay out but wouldnt exactly specify what and how i can improve it (especially for pct), so any advice would be sound bro.

 

[stevesmi]

thanks for ur input bro, Im not planing on starting a cycle anytime soon, im still in the research phase. again mind my ignorance but why are nolva and deca not compatible and how can i change pct? will put up photos, any input will be appreciated. thanks

you have LEAN muscle.. very different than large muscle mass. thats why you don't weigh anything.. nothing wrong with this however I feel like you should start training heavier and start eating bigger to build up some mass IF that is what you want

if you are happy with that lean muscle look then you just don't steroids at all. you can mantain that look very easily naturally.

as far as nolva you never should mix it with deca due to progesterone issues.

as far as PCT, i would check out my threads on that with a search. that is a good blueprint

 

[ACEofHEARTZ]

you have LEAN muscle.. very different than large muscle mass. I feel like you should start training heavier and start eating bigger to build up some mass.

if you are happy with that lean muscle look then you just don't steroids at all. you can mantain that look very easily naturally.

as far as nolva you never should mix it with deca due to progesterone issues.

as far as PCT, i would check out my threads on that with a search. that is a good blueprint

Thanks for ur reply bro. its almost like no matter how much i eat i put on a minimal amount of mass( which is really frustrating, as far as training goes i can bench about 15 kg above my body weight, but i really wanna get bigger and stronger, what would u recommend?

also thanks for clearing up the nolva/deca and will defo search ur pct threads

 

[oxymoron]

thanks for the advice, will do a blood works asap.
any advice on how to improve the cycle/pct for future reference. mind my ignorance bro but im still learning here. Cheers

Ace, for starters bro do not run dbol for 8 wks man, its a 17aa so running a methylated oral that long is just asking for liver damage.
Test E is a waste at 8 wks. I've just really started feeling the effects at 4-5 weeks and at 8 ur making the gains u want. Run it for 12. 10 minimum which is still short imo.
Same with tren e.
I'm just not a fan of deca. The water retention is huge, prolactin build up and crazy half life I just avoid it. Plus u'd want to run it longer also.
Ur doses are pretty high, 1.8 grams of juice not incl the dbol, and I don't think u've thought this thru. Ive been doing this for 9 yrs and i wouldn't consider a cycle like this unless i was a veteran competitor.
U'll get the job done at under half of the gear u listed. Good luck and make a responsible decision here.

 

[ACEofHEARTZ]

Ace, for starters bro do not run dbol for 8 wks man, its a 17aa so running a methylated oral that long is just asking for liver damage.
Test E is a waste at 8 wks. I've just really started feeling the effects at 4-5 weeks and at 8 ur making the gains u want. Run it for 12. 10 minimum which is still short imo.
Same with tren e.
I'm just not a fan of deca. The water retention is huge, prolactin build up and crazy half life I just avoid it. Plus u'd want to run it longer also.
Ur doses are pretty high, 1.8 grams of juice not incl the dbol, and I don't think u've thought this thru. Ive been doing this for 9 yrs and i wouldn't consider a cycle like this unless i was a veteran competitor.
U'll get the job done at under half of the gear u listed. Good luck and make a responsible decision here.

thanks for ur comment bro.

so drop dbol to 4 weeks at the same dose, completely drop deca and use test e and tren for 12 weeks.
also maybe adding in another oral agent like anadrol for the first 2 weeks until the others kick in?
with the above changes would i have to alter my pct, i was thinking a combination of unleashed/post cycle/hcgenerate but i cant get my hands on post cycle by pf here in the uk so are there any good replacements. also id prob run hcg from week 4-12 of the cycle, will also run the support supps i mentioned in the thread.
does this look better?

 

[Mekat]

1-4 dbol
1-12 test E
1-10 Tren E
1-4 N2Guard
1-12 arimidex or aromasin or forma-stanzol
1-10 Caber or Prami
5-12 HCG or HCGenerate
do not add anadrol, u dont wanna run to methyl orals together, either use adrol as kick or dbol

PCT
clomid 25/25/25/25
post cycle/unleashed....that BSS PCT shit should be ok to replace for the post cycle if its all u can get
Forma-stanzol
DAA

 

[ACEofHEARTZ]

1-4 dbol
1-12 test E
1-10 Tren E
1-4 N2Guard
1-12 arimidex or aromasin or forma-stanzol
1-10 Caber or Prami
5-12 HCG or HCGenerate
do not add anadrol, u dont wanna run to methyl orals together, either use adrol as kick or dbol

PCT
clomid 25/25/25/25
post cycle/unleashed....that BSS PCT shit should be ok to replace for the post cycle if its all u can get
Forma-stanzol
DAA

thanks bro, appreciate it. I just have one last question, forma-stanzole is not available in the uk, are there any other transdermaldermal formestane as a replacement that i may be able to use.

 

[Mekat]

im not aware of any other transdermal forma, but i think mr.supps delivers to uk, not sure tho maybe one of the reps could clarify

 

[oxymoron]

Mr Supps ships international. The prescription version, Lentaron depot, is still available over there so i doubt u'd have any customs issues, but u never know, so maybe have a back up plan from someone like Predator Nutrition.

 

[Preachercurls]

man you really need to improve your diet before you touch anything