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Warmachine

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When i came home from work last night, there was a note on my door from my manager telling me the police had been in my house. Some how, 911 was "called" from my apartment 2 hours after i left for work. No one lives here but me, so wtf? Apparently the police had to "check to make sure no one was hurt in my house". They said that sometimes "Computers call 911 on mistake" How the fuck could my comp dial 911 by itself?
I felt lucky i had no gear in the house...it doesnt appear they searched for anything...
lol, i even had this wep page up but the moniter was off.

So, how and why did they come check on me? Is this a new tactic to catch steroid users? In such a situation, without a warrent, can they seize any gear they find?

Be careful guys...keep your shit hidden real well, you never know if police might come to your house responding to a "911 emergency".:worried:
 
a long time ago, a friend of mine was growing pot in his apt. and while he was gone, the police entered his home and found the pot. They too said that someone called 911 from that address.

you might be right.
 
I know that they wouldnt be able to press chargers THEN...but wouldnt they be able to go get a warrent after observing the gear? Also, couldnt they confiscate it when they found it( of course they could just take it...)
Regardless, now they can have their eye on you.:freak:
 
hey nuh_mizer what happened to your friend and the cops coming in nd seeing the pot? did he get busted???
 
ZeroCool said:
If the cops searched your house without a search warrant they would not be able to arrest you for your gear.
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Sure they could. The prosecutor could not use the gear against you at trial to prove whatever crime you are charged with, but the police could arrest you. You are confusing conviction/evidence law with arrest powers. Police may arrest you in such a case and hope that you provide a voluntary confession. Then the prosecutor introduces your confession at trial, but not the gear.

And if the cops found your gear - they could ask you for a valid perscription from a vet or doctor, and if you can't provide one, they can take it.

If they enter your place on a 911 emergency, I am sure they would be legally limited to investigating the soure of the call, but any searching beyond that would be outside the scope of the call - so if they looked in a drawer and found gear, that could not be used against you at trial.
 
suggestion

unplug your frikin phone line jackass.

auto redial is very old. used long before authentication was avaialble. If there is a program running hidden, that 'sees' a phone line and dials 911, then does 'something', the cops can come, ie emergency.

As for entering your 'house', since you are in an apt, the manager has rights to enter in the event of problems. Even your home can be entered, but without the proper warrent, what is found can not be used.
 
I believe there is something called a "plain sight rule" or something like that. If they respond to a call for say 911 or a disturbance and they find gear or pot laying in plain sight then they can bust you for it. If they search without a warrant then I don't think they can. Illegal search and seizure.
 
you dont think the cop do this kind of shit all the time,
they dont care about your rights or if they violate any laws they just happy fuckin up your program period
 
Warmachine said:
I know that they wouldnt be able to press chargers THEN...but wouldnt they be able to go get a warrent after observing the gear? Also, couldnt they confiscate it when they found it( of course they could just take it...)
Regardless, now they can have their eye on you.:freak:
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No, a judge could not issue a valid warrent on the basis of information unconstitutionally obtained.
 
the cops can do anything they want, they enter places all the time to obtain evidence and they use it to build a case, say they know you have a meth lab, so they dont waste there time they will break in and make sure you have the drugs, then they know it is worth their time to build a case against you ,,,,the cops are very dirty, like they can get information against you illegally and then question you and scare the hell out of you to scare you and then when you go home to throw the shit away, they bust you coming out of the house, you guys need to be way more carefull!! read some cases , you will be surprised....the cops are dirty....
 
The point is for the police to get their hands on you, scare you enough for you to cooperate and/or confess to your crimes. If you know any local dealers they would have you ratting them out too. The police are very good at getting people to talk by threatening them with imprisonment. By the time they were done with you it wouldn't even matter that they illegally searched your dwelling.
 
Warmachine said:
When i came home from work last night, there was a note on my door from my manager telling me the police had been in my house
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I hope you had that MAG 58 well hidden. That would be a real heartbreaker to lose such a fine piece of equipment.
 
But, is it really unconstitutional??? If the police can articulate an immediate need to enter a residence due to some "emergency" or percieved emergency, and in the course of that entry discover illegal items, would this still be unconstitutional?? I seriously doubt it.. Now if the police entered the residence and actually searched it, that would be a completely different story. In this case say the AS was in plain site (bathroom counter, ect), could the police arrest, I believe the answer would be yes...
Police enter residences all the time to check "well fare", Alarms, ect. If your alarm goes off, the police will check the entry points of you residence for anything unlocked or signs of entry forced or other. If they find an unlocked door they will usually enter the residence check it and attempt to secure the door.
Anyway, the morale is do not ever leave anything in plain sight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Stiffler said:
hey nuh_mizer what happened to your friend and the cops coming in nd seeing the pot? did he get busted???
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Yes, they busted him. But I don't know if they had to come back with a warrent to do it.
 
Hey NY Strip, that is a Minimi or M249. The Mag 58's are chambered for 7.62X51. The M249 is 5.56.

Both are EXCELLENT systems though.

It is cool to see another gunnut on elite though.

Correct me if im wrong?
 
cops can be bitches like that. a couple of nights ago me and my girl were driving around with this cop following us after about 3-4 minutes of following he decided to pull me over. he didn't tell me what he pulled me over for, he was more interested in seeing my liscence, asking where i came, why i was driving around, and whose wallet was in the back seat. oh ya, did i forget to mention that my girlfriend is black. so after he was done getting my info. i asked him why he pulled me over, he said he thought i was drinking because i was riding my brake (i was riding my brake because i was going down a hill!), then he told me how he can pull anyone over anytime he wants to. what a bitch, i'd love to meet him in a bar without the badge and gun on and then see what kind of power trip he can pull on me then!

anyways, just goes to show how fuckin' evil the police can be!
 
ok heres the deal

phone company computers not your computer sometimes make 911 calls on accident and at random.
storms and rain can short switch boxes to make 911 calls sometimes disconnected lines make 911 calls sometimes an advanced type of phone can make 911 calls by itself
bottom line it happens

now heres the boys in blue they recieve the 911 they go to your house they enter your house (with or without permision because of the 911 call)

scenario 1 your there your gear is in plain sight on the table or on the sink, they recognize it they arrest you and take your shit. your fucked, why?
911 calls are all monitored and recorded by computer so the police can prove they acted on good faith responding to your residence even if you said "you cant come in" they have the right to look around and make sure no one is in danger, plain sight rule applies and the gear is admissible in court.

scenario 2 your not home gear is in plain sight the police enter your residence (however they did it manager let them in door unlocked window unlocked. remember O.J. they used evidence when they entered his place without warrant) police recognize your gear take it and leave to process a warrant for you at the station and arrest you later. your fucked, why? same thing good faith and plain sight your only option say your roomate girlfriend dog etc owned it and turn them in. probably wont work if you hold the lease and your girlfriend wont write you when your in jail. evidence is admisible

scenario 3 home not home dosent matter police enter find your gear in a drawer wrapped in socks , in toilet tank in zip lock bag etc. they conficate your gear and arrest you. your free. good faith applies plain sight not there, they cant resonably say looking for possible heartattack or domestic violence victim in toilet tank or drawer. what happens: you lose your gear your are charged but lawer gets you off, everybody knows your a juice head, local sources wont sell to you thinking your a police plant now, to save your ass, and you spend your days looking over your shoulder and god forbid a local source is busted cause youll probably get the blame

bottom line hide your gear well and dont worry if your not a distributer the cops probably dont care.
 
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1Banshee, I think you misunderstood VTAT's post. The 911 call can certainly provide the police probable cause to enter the premises. Under the plain view doctrine, the following 3 factors must be present to seize an item in plain view:
1. Officers must be legally on premises (i.e. they cannot violate the 4th Amendment to get onto or inside of the premises);
2. Incriminating nature of object must be immediately apparent (police must have probable cause to believe the object is incriminating such as contraband, stolen property, or evidence of a crime); and
3. Officer must have lawful access to the object itself. For instance, if the police are strolling by the window of your house and see gear strewn about your apartment, the police may not immediately seize the items, because they do not have lawful access to your apartment. They'll have to go get a warrant.

VTAT is correct in saying that the police may not get a search warrant based on illegally obtained information. To clarify his point, if the police, in this case, went inside of the apartment and searched containers (i.e. items not in plain view), the police would not have a right to then go and get a warrant based upon their illegal observations. VTAT was not denying the plain view doctrine.

KNOW YOUR RIGHTS!!:D
 
oh and there is a mod on the chat board where this will be moved who is a law student mabey he has further insight.
 
get an attorney and subpeona 911 records...if no such call came through via your number then sue the fuckers
 
nycdefender,
Im not sure what I misunderstood. Oh, I see now that I have reread it. Im sorry I was not referring to the possibilty of obtaining a search warrant. In my example I was referring only to a justified entry and items in plain sight. The 3 factors you posted would easily be met in the case were entry was made for say for a "911, well fare check" and the objects were in plain sight. Again if any type of search (opening drawers, ect) occurred this would dramatically change the outcome. I have seen this first hand... By the way NYC good post!!
 
I heard that the sircom virus that has been going around lately had the capabilities to dial 911 through your phone line.

A few days ago I had an email receipt saying that I emailed the police. I had no idea where this came from, why would I email the police. I have a cable modem no dial up. I wonder if this could be related in anyway?

my 2cents
 
my friend's dog used to always call 911 - they had it set on the phone as a speed dial for emergencies and the phone was on a side table near the couch. the dog would jump up on the couch to look outside and somehow in the process hit the speed dial.
then the cops would come and be pissed off - happened all the time - this was back in middle school....
 
Dude get your phone companies records for that day. See if there was actually a call from your place. Cops can be very arrogant motherfuckers. They may be able to mess with 911 records, but not your phone companies. If there wasn't, you may have a lawsuit and harassment case against them.
Genarr3
 
They can arrest you if it is in "plain view". If the cops are in your house for lawful reasons (like a 911 call being placed) they can seixe and arrest you for any contraband that is in plain view. They can not go through draws or cabinets. IT MUST BE IN PLAIN VIEW. It is called the plain view doctrine.
 
Warmachine said:
I know that they wouldnt be able to press chargers THEN...but wouldnt they be able to go get a warrent after observing the gear? Also, couldnt they confiscate it when they found it( of course they could just take it...)
Regardless, now they can have their eye on you.:freak:
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technically they wouldnt be able on that basis..... but knowing you have gear man they would keep an eye on you till they find the right moment ....... anyway yoiur story is kindda weird and scarry....... lol
 
Here is the scoop. I have to agree with M.O.D. however there are a couple of others that are right as well. I have to use other names to this story to keep things hidden...........2 years ago the police entered my buddies house house with a search warrant for Guns & Cocaine. When the police searched the house for Guns & Cocaine they found over 4 pounds of POT and some personal gear. He had like 4 bottles of test and a nice little variety of product. The police took all illegal drugs but were not used against him in the court of law because that is not what they enterend the house searching for. Plus they took my bowl because I left it over there man I was pissed ! This all happened in front of my face and I thought he was fucked but nope. Not one of those charges were punishable by law. So you know what they gave him a ticket for not having an updated city sticker on his car. And the car was parked in the fucking driveway !
 
My only question is why do you have a SAW in your profile that is a usless piece of weaponry

if you have used one, i can guarentee you they are crap
trust me i have many hours on one
 
ZeroCool said:
Here is the scoop. I have to agree with M.O.D. however there are a couple of others that are right as well. I have to use other names to this story to keep things hidden...........2 years ago the police entered my buddies house house with a search warrant for Guns & Cocaine. When the police searched the house for Guns & Cocaine they found over 4 pounds of POT and some personal gear. He had like 4 bottles of test and a nice little variety of product. The police took all illegal drugs but were not used against him in the court of law because that is not what they enterend the house searching for. Plus they took my bowl because I left it over there man I was pissed ! This all happened in front of my face and I thought he was fucked but nope. Not one of those charges were punishable by law. So you know what they gave him a ticket for not having an updated city sticker on his car. And the car was parked in the fucking driveway !
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Good thing you used "other names" to keep things hidden - I'll never figure out who "buddy" or "I" are. Wait a minute, was that YOUR pipe ZeroCool.

I am sure something else was at play here - such as their warrent was limited to search only a particular place in the house, and they went beyond that. Because otherwise it sounds like they found the pot and the gear through a valid search. Thanks for the scoop.
 
OPEN UP ATF

GET YOUR GEAR OUTTA YOUR HOUSE i KEEP MINE OUTTA MY HOUSE AND TRY TO USE HOTMAIL/HUSHMAIL/ZIPLIP
DONT USE A STEROID NAME AOL PROBLY MONITERS BODY BUILDING CHAT ROOMS HELL IF I WERE U I WOULD MOVE AND CLEAN OUT MY COMPUTER
 
nycdefender said:
1Banshee, I think you misunderstood VTAT's post. The 911 call can certainly provide the police probable cause to enter the premises. Under the plain view doctrine, the following 3 factors must be present to seize an item in plain view:
1. Officers must be legally on premises (i.e. they cannot violate the 4th Amendment to get onto or inside of the premises);
2. Incriminating nature of object must be immediately apparent (police must have probable cause to believe the object is incriminating such as contraband, stolen property, or evidence of a crime); and
3. Officer must have lawful access to the object itself. For instance, if the police are strolling by the window of your house and see gear strewn about your apartment, the police may not immediately seize the items, because they do not have lawful access to your apartment. They'll have to go get a warrant.



VTAT is correct in saying that the police may not get a search warrant based on illegally obtained information. To clarify his point, if the police, in this case, went inside of the apartment and searched containers (i.e. items not in plain view), the police would not have a right to then go and get a warrant based upon their illegal observations. VTAT was not denying the plain view doctrine.

KNOW YOUR RIGHTS!!:D
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if you only knew the tricks we use....anyway good post :spin:
 
warmachine i apologize for the wording at the bottom of my first post after reading it later it sounded like a flame i have edited that post because no insult was intended

peace friend:angel:
 
Thanks for the info everybody, and i am following up on a couple of those suggestions i.e. getting phone records. I was already going to move next week so thats cool too. Its really scary they can just come in when ever they want...
Yes its a m249 SAW, fires 5.56, and why dont you like it conan? Its about my favorite weapon!
Thanks for the apology acne, yes i read that post and took it wrong but i just ignored it hehe.

Boy what a good lesson though! HIDE YOUR SHIT!!!
 
hey war if you want some advice on how to hide stuff i have some profdessional knowledge on this type of thing pm me and ill be glad to give pointers
glad we are straight about the post i dont insult people unless they insult me or everybody
 
My answer to this

I don't think the cops should of done that, but they can search anybodys house , if they know something is going on . (FBI)
Another thing is just say they arrest you for gear or pot or anything that has your finger prints on it (thats thier proof with the prints on it) you really have to be doing something bigtime in order for then to do this.
And then again if thier is no finger prints on any item they take for proof , you will win the case.

Take a look at O.J Simsons case, I thought this was an awsome case ( like everyone say money talks bullshit walks)
and hey even if he did'nt do Maybe Mark Furman planted it ,LOL

Oh well , good luck Bud
 
war.....

sorry , but I do apologize for the above.
shit does happen.
I hope thing work out right for you .

later war
 
Plain sight rule/ Fruits of the poisoned tree

YES there is a plain sight rule , if they enter your house for another reason and see a vioaltion without using OTHER means such as looking in drawers yadda yadda yadaa they can charge you with whatever violation is occuring in their presence. I dont think they could prove a violation without you being present to ascertain whether the stuff was legitimately prescribed. The rule regarding "fruits of the poisoned tree" states that evidence illegally obtained cannot be used in court.

If the police enter your house for another reason and feel it is needed they can look through the other parts of your house for their safety but this does not include looking through drawers and what not, unless you have immediate access to them, or you give them more suspicion.

Once a violation has been established they can search the areas in your immediate control( as in if you are in a vehicle) this is a search incidental to arrest.

Also remember it is all in how the officer articulates the events. They will generally not lose. Trust me.

:fro:
 
LANDLORDS/ Managers...

CANNOT legally give the police consent to search a rented dwelling. This includes apartments, houses, hotel rooms, motel rooms etc. You are the only person who can give consent. A 911 call may be construed as exigent circumstances, however, thus allowing them access. The POLICE know this. If they were granted access by a manager or landlord without exigent circumstances anything obtained is fruits of the poisoned tree. Also the plain view doctrine covers PLAIN view, not peeking through cracks in blinds, using binos, infrared, etc.. It has to be what any normal passerby or entrant could openly see. this also excludes peeking over fenses etc.. NOW if your drapes are open then yes if they used unenhanced vision.

Get it? TRUST me the police only violate what you percieve to be your rights. OUR actual rights are still more of a hinderance than what you believe. I know a lot of cops. ALSO you have to be realistic, if one was not doping anything illegal then it would not be a problem to be inconvenienced every now and then for the greater good. WHAT should be in question is the LEGALLITY of many things. NOT to mention the whole mandatory sentencing crock. There is a lot of stuff like AS that is rediculuosly controlled, BUT, only a meth addict will preach the benefits of a terrible substance like meth.
 
Thanks again for all the info guys, I swear i learn more shit here...
Two days after they came in, i got a call at 11pm. The only reason i answered it was because i thought it might be a girl :D , no such luck it was this police liutenent. He said he just wanted to let me know that they had to come in my house, and he had no idea why that call was placed.
I dont know, its all pretty odd-I mean he called me at 11:00.
Oh well, i know im awfully suspicious and its probobly just odd out of place events...
Thanks again everybody for all the great help!
 
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