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Anyone ever heard of Animalbolics? I am curious what kinda diet this is all about?
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What kinda results etc..
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What kinda results etc..
New Diet- ANIMALBOLICS... Opinions?
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MonStar1023
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That's right, and you read it here first. They make you fat.
After I proved the farce of the ketogenic diets I began to think, 'What type of diet was I on that made me the leanest and put on the most mass!' Then one of the ketogenic diets authors sent me a nasty email which said, 'What diet won't shut down your thyroid, genius.'
Well, if nothing else, he was at least smart enough to realize that those almighty diets do shut down your thyroid. I felt pity for him because it was sad how he was still clinging to dreams of ketosis even though he had been scammed. But realized there was hope for him when he called me 'genius'! He still had the power of rational thinking left and I'd be damned if I didn't help this poor soul.
Hmmm. What diets don't shut down your thyroid? First, what do we know about how the thyroid shuts down when dieting? There are 3 ways; lack of carbohydrate, heat (DNP and external) and DNP binding to T4 protein and excreting it which is actually good, but that is another story. We aren't going to take DNP so those two are out and we are left with lack of carbohydrates. We are also not going to take CLA or pyruvate so we are left with a pure diet with no catches. How can we keep the carbs going? We all know of one diet that won't shut things down and that is the 'Up and down' type diet. We eat normal one day and lower our calories the next and repeat. This maintains all the hormones, but could take quite a long time. We need a faster and possibly simpler way.
Why not eat 5-6 small meals a day? Because it makes you fat! Now we are going to use the ketogenic authors arguments against them. Insulin does what? It drives glucose and needed nutrients into the cells, including fat cells, AND it stops lipolysis!!!! It stops lipolysis!!!!! If I am eating 5-6 times a day I am going to be stopping lipolysis every single time I eat again because I will get an insulin rise which, can you all say it? Stops lipolysis!! You cannot burn fat if you are eating all day!
Now, I am back to thinking about when I was the leanest. About 5 years ago when I was finishing college, but why? Because I only ate 1-2 meals a day! That's right and when you see the logic you will see the light always and realize that another scam has been perpetuated upon all of us in order to cell meal replacements. When did all these 5-6 meals a day really start to hit. When those meal replacements became all the rage. Throw them out because you don't need them anymore!!
We will start our diet in the morning. The night before we replenished all our carbs before going to sleep. It is morning and we wake up and our body is in what mode? Fat burning mode!!! The first thing you usually learn is that if you want to burn the most fat off with aerobics you do it in the morning before you eat. Since we are in fat burning mode why would we want to ruin it with food that would raise insulin? And for what? What exercise are you going to do which you are going to need all that energy for? Remember you are fully carbed from last night. If you are fully carbed up and you eat carbohydrates then where are the carbs going? They can't go to muscle so they are going to FAT! Your morning meal makes you fatter!! So what do we do? You most likely are going to sit in a car and go sit in an office for 8 hours or so. The only thing which needs sugar is your brain and it doesn't need much. To keep in and enhance the fat burning you are going to drink coffee and take an ephedrine or PPA and add some yohimbine. The coffee suppresses blood sugar and the E and Y and PPA cause a release of noradrenaline which is a potent fat burning hormone. If you get hungry you can have a protein drink, but no sugar. Fructose goes to fat automatically and the protein keeps the glycogen level up which is another fat burner. You don't want too much protein, though or that can go to sugar which is going to go to fat, as well.
What do I do for lunch? You want to stay in fat burning mode right? First let's look at what others recommend. Eat your largest meal at lunch! Absolutely and totally wrong. What happens about an hour later. You are so tired from the insulin that you can hardly think and it takes all you can do to stay awake. Not only that, but all the carbs you ate are going to fat! What did you do to deplete the liver or muscle of carbs from the morning until now? NOTHING. You sat at your desk and maybe walked across the street to buy lunch. Your muscles need nothing so it all goes to fat and you ruined your fat burning as well with the insulin from the meal. You eat a light low glycemic high fat meal, like a salad for lunch and have some more ECY and maybe another protein drink. 2 hours - 45 minutes before you are going to work out you eat a low glycemic meal like oatmeal or an apple.
This is scientifically proven to improve performance and will help you burn more fat. You workout and then you get to eat! Your muscles are primed for growth and now you want the insulin to be spiked so you get more glucose and AA's into them. We also know that most if not all of the recovery substrates need to be supplied to the muscle in a two hour window and then again before 6 hours.
Immediately after your workout you consume up to 400 calories in a glucose/protein drink. 2 hours later you hit the damaged muscle again with your regular meal. Your muscles are now loaded with glucose and protein and they are waiting for you to take some ghb and go to bed so they can get some GH.
That's it!. No BS. No pain. Look at it again. You are all carbed up. In the morning you are in or near ketosis and you want to keep it there. Eating would ruin it so you don't eat and besides, the insulin and carbs from the meal have nowhere to go so any calories would just go to fat. You don't do anything strenuous in the morning so you don't eat a high carb lunch which keeps you in ketosis.
Eat a low glycemic meal 45 minutes before your workout. The time to eat and recover is AFTER you have worked out and that is when and how you do it. Simple carbs and protein and then your meal. Sleep. No expensive powders or pills or special foods. Can't get much simpler.
This is now copyrighted material and I am serving notice that this cannot be reprinted, or posted, without my permission. Do it and I sue ya!
There are supplements and steps to follow to get the most out of your thyroid and liver, but that will be later. If you have something to say about this being wrong then get some science to prove it or shut up. Just as I had science to expose the fallacies of ketogenic diets, I also have all the science to back this up.
The Science:
Study performed by Taylor and colleagues.
Following ingestion of a test meal consisting of cereal, skim milk, scrambled eggs, French toast, apple juice, and a milk shake [200 g (60% or 800 calories) carbohydrate, 45 g (21% fat or 405 calories), 80 g (19% or 320 calories) protein; 1,914 kcall] [The total calories and the breakdown of the intake is wrong because my scanner screwed it up and I don't have the original] by healthy subjects, muscle glycogen concentration did not start to rise until 1-2 hours after eating, and the increase was not statistically significant until 3 hours after eating. Seven hours following the meal, plasma insulin levels were still elevated threefold. Four hours following the meal, muscle glycogen began to fall, suggesting a flux of excess carbon out of the muscle and into storage as triglycerides (fat).
Another argument for Animalobolics! I had been looking for this entry into my comp for 2 years and though I don't have the entire study, that last line is significant. This was a mixed meal containing fat. This is not what you want to do after a workout. Look how long it took glycogen levels in the muscle to rise. 1-2 hours and it wasn't important until 3 hours. You need no fat and simple carbs with protein after a workout. Seven hours following the meal, plasma insulin levels were still elevated threefold. Let's see, you want to eat small meals all day, still? The point is that eating mixed meals gets your insulin up and keeps it up for a long time. Hell, by 7 hours many would have eaten 2 more times and that would push your insulin up even higher and longer. Remember, if insulin is present, fat burning is negative! The magical last line!!! Four hours following the meal, muscle glycogen began to fall, suggesting a flux of excess carbon out of the muscle and into storage as triglycerides (fat).
This is a main point of Animalobolics and why you only have carbs after your workout. Why? Because you carbed up AFTER the workout when it is most important and any further influx of carbs is going to leak out of a fully carbed up muscle and go to fat.
Again, I will give you the basics and most of you can figure out the rest. Base calorie should be figured out at 10-12 x your wt in lbs. All caloric intake is worked out by going backwards from your post workout meal. For that meal you take in 1g carbs for every 1k bodyweight. Now, you also take 1g whey or soy protein for every 2.5g of carbs that you just figured out. Do this immediately and 1-2 hours later. Subtract those numbers from your total caloric intake to see how much else you can eat for your other meals.
200lb man x 12 = 2400 calories. 200/2.2 = 90KG.
90KG = 90g carbs after workout.
90/2.5 = 36g protein.
90g carbohydrates = 360 cal.
36g protein = 145 cal protein.
Total immediate intake is 505 calories.
If you do that regimen 1-2 hours later you will then have 1010calories.
2400 base - workout meals = 1390 calories left to eat for the next 24 hours. (Almost 3 Big Macs) and if you can't make it through the day on those calories I don't know what to tell you) I'll tell you that with all that protein it is hard to eat after those 2 postworkout meals.
ALL YOUR SUBSEQUENT MEALS ARE GOING TO BE NO GLYCEMIC MEALS! Except for 2-3 doses of 200calories worth of fruit for a total of 400-500calories in carbs to keep your liver converting T4-T3. 200 in the morning 100cal or so at lunch and 100-200 at 2hrs before your next workout. 1390 - 500 calories leaves you with 890. If you are taking 1g protein per lb which I find very hard to do, that is 200g protein and 800 calories. You already have taken in 72g protein for 288 calories. From morning until your next workout you then need to get 128 g protein or 512 more calories in protein. That leaves you with only 378 calories in fat which is 42g. Just make sure you eat whey protein and eggs in the morning, then you can eat chicken or tuna salad for lunch.
Animalbolics FAQ:
Q: How do you keep from loosing muscle mass while on this diet? And do you stay on it until you are happy with BF% or do you come of for one or two days a week or what? Is this a good diet to run with a cutting cycle.
A: How do you keep from loosing muscle mass while on this diet? I'll let you answer this for yourself. All protein requirements are met as are carb requirements during the postworkout meals. As long as those are met, how are you going to lose muscle? (you can't and constant supply of insulin has NOTHING to do with maintaining muscle as AA's have their own transport system which ARE NOT affected by insulin. And do you stay on it until you are happy with BF% or do you come of for one or two days a week or what? Most people break diets on weekends, anyhow. Watch the alcohol as that seems to screw it up the most.
Q: Was wondering how you might modify this diet for a lunch time workout. I'm half a block from my gym and can take a 90 min lunch break. This is very convenient and lets me have my nights free. Also, the weight room is always damn near empty at lunch, which lets me super-set and crank up my workout tempo. Mean while, the evening crowds are sooo bad I'd be lucky to even find a weight let a lone lift it...
I'm not trying to compete or anything, but my BF as been a big concern over the last - (YES) - 4 to 5 years.
A: Here's my sense of how to do it. Just eat the protein/glucose drinks right after and 2hrs after your workout. The rest of your meals, make them low/no glycemic. There's nothing magical about working out at night. In animal's example using a PM workout, the person spends most of the day burning bodyfat before the workout. You spend less time in that EC + PPA + yohimbine fat burning at rest state during the day, but you have more hours later in the day where you reenter that state. Like, you go back to the low insulin meals later in the day, whereas the evening workout person, doesn't hit that point of low insulin fat burning till some hrs after his last shake. And he may not even eat again till the next day, the shakes being his last food. If you work out midday you will eat probably 1-2 more times. Look at the overall concept.....low/no insulin meals, then hi glycemic + protein right after and 2hrs after workout. It doesn't really matter when this happens as long as you keep the carbs to post workout. It may be a little better to have a workout later in the day, to have more hours during the day on thermogenic supplements, since if you do a midday workout, you might not be ready to take more ephedrine and caffeine later in the day. That's the only downside I can see.
After I proved the farce of the ketogenic diets I began to think, 'What type of diet was I on that made me the leanest and put on the most mass!' Then one of the ketogenic diets authors sent me a nasty email which said, 'What diet won't shut down your thyroid, genius.'
Well, if nothing else, he was at least smart enough to realize that those almighty diets do shut down your thyroid. I felt pity for him because it was sad how he was still clinging to dreams of ketosis even though he had been scammed. But realized there was hope for him when he called me 'genius'! He still had the power of rational thinking left and I'd be damned if I didn't help this poor soul.
Hmmm. What diets don't shut down your thyroid? First, what do we know about how the thyroid shuts down when dieting? There are 3 ways; lack of carbohydrate, heat (DNP and external) and DNP binding to T4 protein and excreting it which is actually good, but that is another story. We aren't going to take DNP so those two are out and we are left with lack of carbohydrates. We are also not going to take CLA or pyruvate so we are left with a pure diet with no catches. How can we keep the carbs going? We all know of one diet that won't shut things down and that is the 'Up and down' type diet. We eat normal one day and lower our calories the next and repeat. This maintains all the hormones, but could take quite a long time. We need a faster and possibly simpler way.
Why not eat 5-6 small meals a day? Because it makes you fat! Now we are going to use the ketogenic authors arguments against them. Insulin does what? It drives glucose and needed nutrients into the cells, including fat cells, AND it stops lipolysis!!!! It stops lipolysis!!!!! If I am eating 5-6 times a day I am going to be stopping lipolysis every single time I eat again because I will get an insulin rise which, can you all say it? Stops lipolysis!! You cannot burn fat if you are eating all day!
Now, I am back to thinking about when I was the leanest. About 5 years ago when I was finishing college, but why? Because I only ate 1-2 meals a day! That's right and when you see the logic you will see the light always and realize that another scam has been perpetuated upon all of us in order to cell meal replacements. When did all these 5-6 meals a day really start to hit. When those meal replacements became all the rage. Throw them out because you don't need them anymore!!
We will start our diet in the morning. The night before we replenished all our carbs before going to sleep. It is morning and we wake up and our body is in what mode? Fat burning mode!!! The first thing you usually learn is that if you want to burn the most fat off with aerobics you do it in the morning before you eat. Since we are in fat burning mode why would we want to ruin it with food that would raise insulin? And for what? What exercise are you going to do which you are going to need all that energy for? Remember you are fully carbed from last night. If you are fully carbed up and you eat carbohydrates then where are the carbs going? They can't go to muscle so they are going to FAT! Your morning meal makes you fatter!! So what do we do? You most likely are going to sit in a car and go sit in an office for 8 hours or so. The only thing which needs sugar is your brain and it doesn't need much. To keep in and enhance the fat burning you are going to drink coffee and take an ephedrine or PPA and add some yohimbine. The coffee suppresses blood sugar and the E and Y and PPA cause a release of noradrenaline which is a potent fat burning hormone. If you get hungry you can have a protein drink, but no sugar. Fructose goes to fat automatically and the protein keeps the glycogen level up which is another fat burner. You don't want too much protein, though or that can go to sugar which is going to go to fat, as well.
What do I do for lunch? You want to stay in fat burning mode right? First let's look at what others recommend. Eat your largest meal at lunch! Absolutely and totally wrong. What happens about an hour later. You are so tired from the insulin that you can hardly think and it takes all you can do to stay awake. Not only that, but all the carbs you ate are going to fat! What did you do to deplete the liver or muscle of carbs from the morning until now? NOTHING. You sat at your desk and maybe walked across the street to buy lunch. Your muscles need nothing so it all goes to fat and you ruined your fat burning as well with the insulin from the meal. You eat a light low glycemic high fat meal, like a salad for lunch and have some more ECY and maybe another protein drink. 2 hours - 45 minutes before you are going to work out you eat a low glycemic meal like oatmeal or an apple.
This is scientifically proven to improve performance and will help you burn more fat. You workout and then you get to eat! Your muscles are primed for growth and now you want the insulin to be spiked so you get more glucose and AA's into them. We also know that most if not all of the recovery substrates need to be supplied to the muscle in a two hour window and then again before 6 hours.
Immediately after your workout you consume up to 400 calories in a glucose/protein drink. 2 hours later you hit the damaged muscle again with your regular meal. Your muscles are now loaded with glucose and protein and they are waiting for you to take some ghb and go to bed so they can get some GH.
That's it!. No BS. No pain. Look at it again. You are all carbed up. In the morning you are in or near ketosis and you want to keep it there. Eating would ruin it so you don't eat and besides, the insulin and carbs from the meal have nowhere to go so any calories would just go to fat. You don't do anything strenuous in the morning so you don't eat a high carb lunch which keeps you in ketosis.
Eat a low glycemic meal 45 minutes before your workout. The time to eat and recover is AFTER you have worked out and that is when and how you do it. Simple carbs and protein and then your meal. Sleep. No expensive powders or pills or special foods. Can't get much simpler.
This is now copyrighted material and I am serving notice that this cannot be reprinted, or posted, without my permission. Do it and I sue ya!
There are supplements and steps to follow to get the most out of your thyroid and liver, but that will be later. If you have something to say about this being wrong then get some science to prove it or shut up. Just as I had science to expose the fallacies of ketogenic diets, I also have all the science to back this up.
The Science:
Study performed by Taylor and colleagues.
Following ingestion of a test meal consisting of cereal, skim milk, scrambled eggs, French toast, apple juice, and a milk shake [200 g (60% or 800 calories) carbohydrate, 45 g (21% fat or 405 calories), 80 g (19% or 320 calories) protein; 1,914 kcall] [The total calories and the breakdown of the intake is wrong because my scanner screwed it up and I don't have the original] by healthy subjects, muscle glycogen concentration did not start to rise until 1-2 hours after eating, and the increase was not statistically significant until 3 hours after eating. Seven hours following the meal, plasma insulin levels were still elevated threefold. Four hours following the meal, muscle glycogen began to fall, suggesting a flux of excess carbon out of the muscle and into storage as triglycerides (fat).
Another argument for Animalobolics! I had been looking for this entry into my comp for 2 years and though I don't have the entire study, that last line is significant. This was a mixed meal containing fat. This is not what you want to do after a workout. Look how long it took glycogen levels in the muscle to rise. 1-2 hours and it wasn't important until 3 hours. You need no fat and simple carbs with protein after a workout. Seven hours following the meal, plasma insulin levels were still elevated threefold. Let's see, you want to eat small meals all day, still? The point is that eating mixed meals gets your insulin up and keeps it up for a long time. Hell, by 7 hours many would have eaten 2 more times and that would push your insulin up even higher and longer. Remember, if insulin is present, fat burning is negative! The magical last line!!! Four hours following the meal, muscle glycogen began to fall, suggesting a flux of excess carbon out of the muscle and into storage as triglycerides (fat).
This is a main point of Animalobolics and why you only have carbs after your workout. Why? Because you carbed up AFTER the workout when it is most important and any further influx of carbs is going to leak out of a fully carbed up muscle and go to fat.
Again, I will give you the basics and most of you can figure out the rest. Base calorie should be figured out at 10-12 x your wt in lbs. All caloric intake is worked out by going backwards from your post workout meal. For that meal you take in 1g carbs for every 1k bodyweight. Now, you also take 1g whey or soy protein for every 2.5g of carbs that you just figured out. Do this immediately and 1-2 hours later. Subtract those numbers from your total caloric intake to see how much else you can eat for your other meals.
200lb man x 12 = 2400 calories. 200/2.2 = 90KG.
90KG = 90g carbs after workout.
90/2.5 = 36g protein.
90g carbohydrates = 360 cal.
36g protein = 145 cal protein.
Total immediate intake is 505 calories.
If you do that regimen 1-2 hours later you will then have 1010calories.
2400 base - workout meals = 1390 calories left to eat for the next 24 hours. (Almost 3 Big Macs) and if you can't make it through the day on those calories I don't know what to tell you) I'll tell you that with all that protein it is hard to eat after those 2 postworkout meals.
ALL YOUR SUBSEQUENT MEALS ARE GOING TO BE NO GLYCEMIC MEALS! Except for 2-3 doses of 200calories worth of fruit for a total of 400-500calories in carbs to keep your liver converting T4-T3. 200 in the morning 100cal or so at lunch and 100-200 at 2hrs before your next workout. 1390 - 500 calories leaves you with 890. If you are taking 1g protein per lb which I find very hard to do, that is 200g protein and 800 calories. You already have taken in 72g protein for 288 calories. From morning until your next workout you then need to get 128 g protein or 512 more calories in protein. That leaves you with only 378 calories in fat which is 42g. Just make sure you eat whey protein and eggs in the morning, then you can eat chicken or tuna salad for lunch.
Animalbolics FAQ:
Q: How do you keep from loosing muscle mass while on this diet? And do you stay on it until you are happy with BF% or do you come of for one or two days a week or what? Is this a good diet to run with a cutting cycle.
A: How do you keep from loosing muscle mass while on this diet? I'll let you answer this for yourself. All protein requirements are met as are carb requirements during the postworkout meals. As long as those are met, how are you going to lose muscle? (you can't and constant supply of insulin has NOTHING to do with maintaining muscle as AA's have their own transport system which ARE NOT affected by insulin. And do you stay on it until you are happy with BF% or do you come of for one or two days a week or what? Most people break diets on weekends, anyhow. Watch the alcohol as that seems to screw it up the most.
Q: Was wondering how you might modify this diet for a lunch time workout. I'm half a block from my gym and can take a 90 min lunch break. This is very convenient and lets me have my nights free. Also, the weight room is always damn near empty at lunch, which lets me super-set and crank up my workout tempo. Mean while, the evening crowds are sooo bad I'd be lucky to even find a weight let a lone lift it...
I'm not trying to compete or anything, but my BF as been a big concern over the last - (YES) - 4 to 5 years.
A: Here's my sense of how to do it. Just eat the protein/glucose drinks right after and 2hrs after your workout. The rest of your meals, make them low/no glycemic. There's nothing magical about working out at night. In animal's example using a PM workout, the person spends most of the day burning bodyfat before the workout. You spend less time in that EC + PPA + yohimbine fat burning at rest state during the day, but you have more hours later in the day where you reenter that state. Like, you go back to the low insulin meals later in the day, whereas the evening workout person, doesn't hit that point of low insulin fat burning till some hrs after his last shake. And he may not even eat again till the next day, the shakes being his last food. If you work out midday you will eat probably 1-2 more times. Look at the overall concept.....low/no insulin meals, then hi glycemic + protein right after and 2hrs after workout. It doesn't really matter when this happens as long as you keep the carbs to post workout. It may be a little better to have a workout later in the day, to have more hours during the day on thermogenic supplements, since if you do a midday workout, you might not be ready to take more ephedrine and caffeine later in the day. That's the only downside I can see.
MonStar1023
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I am still pretty confused about Animalbolics even after reading that entire description of the basis of the diet etc...
Is he suggesting that we do AM Cardio for maximum fat-burning after a carb-up the night before? I cant tell what he is really sayin...
Someone please read it and help me out and see if you can make out exactly what hes suggesting..
I can see that lunch is supposed to be the biggest meal but is he shooting for an Atkin's type diet or what>?
Is he suggesting that we do AM Cardio for maximum fat-burning after a carb-up the night before? I cant tell what he is really sayin...
Someone please read it and help me out and see if you can make out exactly what hes suggesting..
I can see that lunch is supposed to be the biggest meal but is he shooting for an Atkin's type diet or what>?
MonStar1023
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I totally understand what he's saying about the importance of postworkout nutrition...
Post-Workout
1g carbs per kilogram of bodyweight
2.5g protein for every gram of carbs
Then the same thing 1-2 hours later.. I am not sure what he recommends with supplements though. For example 5g creatine with each postworkout meal might be a good idea.
Also I think he is saying that your only other meal should be at lunchtime when you each very low-glycemic. But I cant tell if he's shooting for Atkin's or what>?
Post-Workout
1g carbs per kilogram of bodyweight
2.5g protein for every gram of carbs
Then the same thing 1-2 hours later.. I am not sure what he recommends with supplements though. For example 5g creatine with each postworkout meal might be a good idea.
Also I think he is saying that your only other meal should be at lunchtime when you each very low-glycemic. But I cant tell if he's shooting for Atkin's or what>?
I did this diet for a long time. And I actually got some of the best results ive ever gotten in my life. I dont think my nutrition was too good. I was probably not getting alot of nutrients that I should have been getting, but i gained strength and lost alot of fat on this diet. The idea is to eat all day BUT only protien and fat kind of like a ketogenic. You use his formulas to get the amount you can eat during the day and use that all for protien and fat. I;d go into more detail but im at work. The only carb that you can eat during the day is a piece of fruit or two.. supposedly to kepp T4 converting to T3(or vice versa?)... Then after you deprive your body of carbs all day you go to the gym and work out. After your workout your body is depleted of all carbs, glucose, etc.. Now when you get home you eat a predetermined post workout meal.. consisting of alot of protien and alot of carbs.. also worked out in his formulas.. then 1-2 hours later you eat the same meal again.. or something with the same macronutrient makeup.. The idea behind it is that after depleting your body tottaly during the day and throughout your workout.. you can supercompensate the insulin response after your workout.. driving the nutrients from both post workout meals into your muscles.. over compensating to allow you to still get a good workout the next day. If anyone wants to ask anymore questions.. if you dont understand go ahead.. i've used this diet many times.. and i highly reccomend it.
MonStar1023
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SCHNiKEN-
I am glad to see someone actually having tried the diet and posting their results.. Karma for you.
Anyway yeah I do have a few questions.. he states in the basis of the diet that 5-6 meals are unnessesray... I am curious how many meals I should be eating then. Obviously Ill be eating 2 postworkout meals so thats 2. And I am thinking just other then that breakfast and lunch.
So 2 Atkin's meals and 2 postworkout carb/protein meals. What about on non-training days? What about supplements? Creatine with each postworkout meal or what?
Also I am wondering about cardio>? Should it be done strictly in the AM? I am still really confused...
I am glad to see someone actually having tried the diet and posting their results.. Karma for you.
Anyway yeah I do have a few questions.. he states in the basis of the diet that 5-6 meals are unnessesray... I am curious how many meals I should be eating then. Obviously Ill be eating 2 postworkout meals so thats 2. And I am thinking just other then that breakfast and lunch.
So 2 Atkin's meals and 2 postworkout carb/protein meals. What about on non-training days? What about supplements? Creatine with each postworkout meal or what?
Also I am wondering about cardio>? Should it be done strictly in the AM? I am still really confused...
MonStar1023
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So Atkin's type would obviously mean like bacon, eggs, hot dogs, etc. for the first 2 meals right? And then 2 postworkout meals packed with simple sugars and with protein...
I am wondering though how good this diet could be... I mean what about fruit were you saying?
1-2 servings of fruit a day?
HELP!
I am trust your input bro and hoping that this will work well for fat-loss..
I am wondering though how good this diet could be... I mean what about fruit were you saying?
1-2 servings of fruit a day?
HELP!
I am trust your input bro and hoping that this will work well for fat-loss..
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Here is the answers you wanted http://www.ironmag.com/im_one_meal_diet.html
When you get home from work/school it's workout time!! Eat a low glycemic meal like a piece of fruit or some oatmeal. Go to your workout and burn even more fat. Then after you get to eat.
A Sample Diet (~190lbs)
Breakfast: 3 egg whites and 2 whole eggs
Protein shake 16oz OJ
Lunch 1 can Tuna, 1 Orange
Pre-Workout @1:45 16oz OJ
Post-Workout #1 immediately after: Protein Shake w simple carbs
Post-Workout #2 ~1-2hrs later Protein Shake
Dinner@9:00pm: 4oz Ground Sirloin 1oz, cheese, baked potato
I think this diet is easy to do
Iv'e tried it for awhile but I quit because
i was only allowed 1, 800 calories a day
one of the ironmag writers (employee not sure what he does)
has had great success with this diet except he uses
a bulking format which i am gonna start up now.
I'm glad this thread was created because it reminded me of
it again. If you want any information on the bulkig version
just give me a holla
When you get home from work/school it's workout time!! Eat a low glycemic meal like a piece of fruit or some oatmeal. Go to your workout and burn even more fat. Then after you get to eat.
A Sample Diet (~190lbs)
Breakfast: 3 egg whites and 2 whole eggs
Protein shake 16oz OJ
Lunch 1 can Tuna, 1 Orange
Pre-Workout @1:45 16oz OJ
Post-Workout #1 immediately after: Protein Shake w simple carbs
Post-Workout #2 ~1-2hrs later Protein Shake
Dinner@9:00pm: 4oz Ground Sirloin 1oz, cheese, baked potato
I think this diet is easy to do
Iv'e tried it for awhile but I quit because
i was only allowed 1, 800 calories a day
one of the ironmag writers (employee not sure what he does)
has had great success with this diet except he uses
a bulking format which i am gonna start up now.
I'm glad this thread was created because it reminded me of
it again. If you want any information on the bulkig version
just give me a holla
MonStar1023
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My End Over Mad her-
I am confused bro... so lemme get this straight.. you eat fruit before you workout? I was thinking something like you dont eat breakfast or something along those lines.. what about the rest of the day is it Atkin's style or what??
HELP!
What about supplements or cardio or whatever? He suggests around 100g carbs postworkout but then again 1-2 hours later... Cardio AM or Postworkout?
I am confused bro... so lemme get this straight.. you eat fruit before you workout? I was thinking something like you dont eat breakfast or something along those lines.. what about the rest of the day is it Atkin's style or what??
HELP!
What about supplements or cardio or whatever? He suggests around 100g carbs postworkout but then again 1-2 hours later... Cardio AM or Postworkout?
My End Over Mad her
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he wants you to eat a couple of servings of fruit
during the day
anytime i believe as long as they aren't like
insulin spiking fruits like banannas...
the concept is one meal a day
but it isn't and it is in a sense...
it depends what you call a meal
what he means by a meal is a "complete meal"
like lots of carbs, protein, fat whatever...
the other times you eat, are not meals
but you eat still..
like in the sample diet you can see what he means
as far as supplements go i don't think he states that
nor does he state cardo...perhaps he
doesn't think you need cardio?
i would do it first thing in te morning
but he does allow you to eat breakfast
as long as you eat low glycemic foods
so pretty much you eat what you want as long as its not high glycemic and this isn't a keto diet because
you eat carbs throught the day just not high glycemic
untill after your workout, and he wants you to
have a high insulin spiking meal imediately after the workout and
then 1-2 hours later....i can check to see what he wants on supplements if i can find some other sites iv'e been to before
during the day
anytime i believe as long as they aren't like
insulin spiking fruits like banannas...
the concept is one meal a day
but it isn't and it is in a sense...
it depends what you call a meal
what he means by a meal is a "complete meal"
like lots of carbs, protein, fat whatever...
the other times you eat, are not meals
but you eat still..
like in the sample diet you can see what he means
as far as supplements go i don't think he states that
nor does he state cardo...perhaps he
doesn't think you need cardio?
i would do it first thing in te morning
but he does allow you to eat breakfast
as long as you eat low glycemic foods
so pretty much you eat what you want as long as its not high glycemic and this isn't a keto diet because
you eat carbs throught the day just not high glycemic
untill after your workout, and he wants you to
have a high insulin spiking meal imediately after the workout and
then 1-2 hours later....i can check to see what he wants on supplements if i can find some other sites iv'e been to before
My End Over Mad her
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1-2 hours after your post-workout "meal"
is the "complete meal" sorry if its confusing
is the "complete meal" sorry if its confusing
My End Over Mad her
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Fruit - like oranges which are high in fructose, does not cause an insulin spike because fructose is very low on the glycemic index. In fact, fruit will actually increase metabolism! The body burns off more calories metabolizing it (due the chemical structure). Fructose is metabolized directly to acetyl-coa, which is then used to create fatty acids. In the fasting state, the liver recruits fructose as a glucose precursor - most of the fructose is used up by the liver and isn't spiking insulin.
As far as breakfast goes, any carbs eaten at breakfast are immediately moved into muscle-cells as glycogen - there is little chance of any fat storage with carbs in the morning.
As far as breakfast goes, any carbs eaten at breakfast are immediately moved into muscle-cells as glycogen - there is little chance of any fat storage with carbs in the morning.
My End Over Mad her
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i don't know if this will help you but maybe you can pull some info out of this
What I personally use for bulking up is a variation of the Animalbolics diet (presented on Ironmag). I say variation because this diet is not very conductive to maximum performance, even if it is a great fat loss diet. What I do is follow the basic structure of the diet:
BASIC ANIMALBOLICS STRUCTURE
Breakfast: Moderate calories, High protein/moderate fat/low carbs
Lunch: Low calories, High protein/Low fat/Low carbs
Pre-Workout (1 hour before workout): Low calories, Low protein/Low fat/High carbs
Post-Workout #1 immediately after: High calories, High protein/Low fat/High carbs
Post-Workout #2 ~1-2hrs later: Moderate calories, High protein/Low fat/Low carbs
Mid-evening meal: Moderate calories, High protein/High fat/No carbs
That's the basic structure, and it assumes that you will train at around 3:00pm
The variations that I use are:
1- Add a little complex carbs to the breakfast
2- Add complex carbs to the pre-workout meal
3- Supercharge the first post-workout meal (a lot of calories, a shitload of protein and a ton of carbs)
4- Add a little carbs to the second post-workout meal
That's it... so the basic structure becomes:
Breakfast: Moderate calories, High protein/moderate fat/Moderate carbs
Lunch : Low calories, High protein/Low fat/Low carbs
Pre-Workout (1 hour before workout): Moderate calories, Low protein/Low fat/High carbs
Post-Workout #1 immediately after: Very high calories, Very High protein/Low fat/Very High carbs
Post-Workout #2 ~1-2hrs later: Moderate calories, High protein/Low fat/Moderate carbs
Mid-evening meal: Moderate calories, High protein/High fat/No carbs
A sample day could look like this:
7:30am: 6 eggs, 500ml of skimmed milk, 1 orange
12:00: Protein shake
2:00pm: 2 oranges, 2 full grain toasts, 1 glass of Sunny Delight
3:00pm: workout
4:30pm: Double protein shake, 2 oranges, 2 glasses of Sunny Delight, 2 Waffles, 500ml skimmed milk, 2 cereal bars
6:00: 1L skimmed milk, 2 slices of cheese, 1-2 chicken breast
8:00: 4 slices of cheese, steak, 500ml skimmed milk
As you can see most of the calories and carbs are concentrated *after* your workout and that is the key. During the day you eat few calories (just enough to avoid a catabolic state) and almost no carbs so you are in a fat burning zone for 6 hours and after your workout you stimulate your natural anabolic drive by overeating and you take advantage of that anabolic drive by ingesting a lot of protein after your workout.
This diet will allow you to gain a lot of muscle without putting on too much fat (thanks to the 6hours fat burning zone). I will not go into all the scientific details of this diet, read the 3 parts series by [Retired Ironmag Writer] to learn more. But I can tell you that it works! I have gained 7lbs in two weeks and actually gained a little definition!
Remember this though: [Retired Ironmag Writer]'s articles talk about how to use the Animalbolics diet to lose a lot of fat while losing a little muscle as possible. My version is to gain a lot of muscle while putting on as little fat as possible.
Hope this helps! If you need anymore details on this dietary approach email me!
What I personally use for bulking up is a variation of the Animalbolics diet (presented on Ironmag). I say variation because this diet is not very conductive to maximum performance, even if it is a great fat loss diet. What I do is follow the basic structure of the diet:
BASIC ANIMALBOLICS STRUCTURE
Breakfast: Moderate calories, High protein/moderate fat/low carbs
Lunch: Low calories, High protein/Low fat/Low carbs
Pre-Workout (1 hour before workout): Low calories, Low protein/Low fat/High carbs
Post-Workout #1 immediately after: High calories, High protein/Low fat/High carbs
Post-Workout #2 ~1-2hrs later: Moderate calories, High protein/Low fat/Low carbs
Mid-evening meal: Moderate calories, High protein/High fat/No carbs
That's the basic structure, and it assumes that you will train at around 3:00pm
The variations that I use are:
1- Add a little complex carbs to the breakfast
2- Add complex carbs to the pre-workout meal
3- Supercharge the first post-workout meal (a lot of calories, a shitload of protein and a ton of carbs)
4- Add a little carbs to the second post-workout meal
That's it... so the basic structure becomes:
Breakfast: Moderate calories, High protein/moderate fat/Moderate carbs
Lunch : Low calories, High protein/Low fat/Low carbs
Pre-Workout (1 hour before workout): Moderate calories, Low protein/Low fat/High carbs
Post-Workout #1 immediately after: Very high calories, Very High protein/Low fat/Very High carbs
Post-Workout #2 ~1-2hrs later: Moderate calories, High protein/Low fat/Moderate carbs
Mid-evening meal: Moderate calories, High protein/High fat/No carbs
A sample day could look like this:
7:30am: 6 eggs, 500ml of skimmed milk, 1 orange
12:00: Protein shake
2:00pm: 2 oranges, 2 full grain toasts, 1 glass of Sunny Delight
3:00pm: workout
4:30pm: Double protein shake, 2 oranges, 2 glasses of Sunny Delight, 2 Waffles, 500ml skimmed milk, 2 cereal bars
6:00: 1L skimmed milk, 2 slices of cheese, 1-2 chicken breast
8:00: 4 slices of cheese, steak, 500ml skimmed milk
As you can see most of the calories and carbs are concentrated *after* your workout and that is the key. During the day you eat few calories (just enough to avoid a catabolic state) and almost no carbs so you are in a fat burning zone for 6 hours and after your workout you stimulate your natural anabolic drive by overeating and you take advantage of that anabolic drive by ingesting a lot of protein after your workout.
This diet will allow you to gain a lot of muscle without putting on too much fat (thanks to the 6hours fat burning zone). I will not go into all the scientific details of this diet, read the 3 parts series by [Retired Ironmag Writer] to learn more. But I can tell you that it works! I have gained 7lbs in two weeks and actually gained a little definition!
Remember this though: [Retired Ironmag Writer]'s articles talk about how to use the Animalbolics diet to lose a lot of fat while losing a little muscle as possible. My version is to gain a lot of muscle while putting on as little fat as possible.
Hope this helps! If you need anymore details on this dietary approach email me!
MonStar from my knowledge it doesnt matter how many meals you eat a day.. you can eat 4 atkins type meals and then your two post workout meals. Although it is called the one meal diet it really isnt.. it more of a one COMPLETE meal diet.. The fruit supposedly does not effect your insulin level but helps to increase metabolism(thyroid). THe important part during the day is to get the allocated protien and fat in. You need these calories in your day. The creatine is really optional if you would like to include creatine then you should use it in your postworkout meal 5 grams. And on off days usually take it in the morning but i dont think it matters much. Also on the off days you would follow an atkins no carb low carb type diet. Minimize carbs as much as possible. The whole idea is only to introduce carbs into your body ONLY post-workout. By depriving your body of carbs ALL DAY the insulin spike recieved postworkout should be greater then normal, therefore pushing more nutrients into your muscles, causing an super or over compensation of the muscle to absorb glucose nutrients protien etc. I can tell you that if you try this diet for two weeks you will see a difference and be very happy with the diet. It seems a little out there at first.. a little off beat.. but it does bring results. First two or three weeks on this diet my lifts all went up while i was loosing wieght. Plug in your numbers, figure out the formula and cals, macros, etc.. and try it out..
MonStar1023
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Thanks bro Ill read up this diet and definitely start my journal on Sunday and keep posting my supps and my results etc..
MonStar1023
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I am starting this diet this Sunday and I cant wait the results look PHENOMENAL!! I cant wait to see what kinda gains I experience...
I am prolly going to do 30 minutes of AM cardio.. then I think I am going to eat the following..
M1- tuna + 1 tbsp. mayo
M2- protein bar maybe eggs or tuna again (pretty low carbs- maybe a salad) -> I like a green salad with tuna and little mayo with a few whole eggs
M3- (1 hour before workout) 1-2 apples
M4- (postworkout #1) 40g protein, 100g carbs maltodextrin/dextrose combo
M5- (postworkout #2) 40g protein, 100g carbs maltodextrin/dextrose combo
Thatll probably be it for me.. well see what happens. PLEASE CRITIQUE what I am doing now this is just based on everything I read I could easily and probably am WAY OFF with what I am eating..
HELP!
I am prolly going to do 30 minutes of AM cardio.. then I think I am going to eat the following..
M1- tuna + 1 tbsp. mayo
M2- protein bar maybe eggs or tuna again (pretty low carbs- maybe a salad) -> I like a green salad with tuna and little mayo with a few whole eggs
M3- (1 hour before workout) 1-2 apples
M4- (postworkout #1) 40g protein, 100g carbs maltodextrin/dextrose combo
M5- (postworkout #2) 40g protein, 100g carbs maltodextrin/dextrose combo
Thatll probably be it for me.. well see what happens. PLEASE CRITIQUE what I am doing now this is just based on everything I read I could easily and probably am WAY OFF with what I am eating..
HELP!
MonStar1023
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I am thinking about adding maybe 8-16 oz. of orange juice to my first meal also.. would that be a good or bad idea!?
My End Over Mad her
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he sates this
"As far as breakfast goes, any carbs eaten at breakfast are immediately moved into muscle-cells as glycogen - there is little chance of any fat storage with carbs in the morning."
so it seems to me that is fine drinking the OJ
but i don't think oj would be as good since it has
a high glycemic index right?
unless you make your own oj, it might
stop your
fat burning mode
"As far as breakfast goes, any carbs eaten at breakfast are immediately moved into muscle-cells as glycogen - there is little chance of any fat storage with carbs in the morning."
so it seems to me that is fine drinking the OJ
but i don't think oj would be as good since it has
a high glycemic index right?
unless you make your own oj, it might
stop your
fat burning mode
MonStar1023
New member
bump still confused..
MonStar1023
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MonStar1023 said:I am starting this diet this Sunday and I cant wait the results look PHENOMENAL!! I cant wait to see what kinda gains I experience...
I am prolly going to do 30 minutes of AM cardio.. then I think I am going to eat the following..
M1- tuna + 1 tbsp. mayo
M2- protein bar maybe eggs or tuna again (pretty low carbs- maybe a salad) -> I like a green salad with tuna and little mayo with a few whole eggs
M3- (1 hour before workout) 1-2 apples
M4- (postworkout #1) 40g protein, 100g carbs maltodextrin/dextrose combo
M5- (postworkout #2) 40g protein, 100g carbs maltodextrin/dextrose combo
Thatll probably be it for me.. well see what happens. PLEASE CRITIQUE what I am doing now this is just based on everything I read I could easily and probably am WAY OFF with what I am eating..
HELP!
I am also thinking about adding some fruit (orange juice, 1-2 apples, to my breakfast..) Would this be okay!!!?? CRITIQUE the rest of the diet please..
My End Over Mad her PLEASE REPLY ASAP
MonStar1023
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MonStar1023
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I am starting tomorrow with something like this..
M1- tuna + 1 tbsp. mayo + 16 oz. apple juice
M2- tuna salad, grilled chicken maybe, maybe a protein bar, something high-protein low-carb and low-fat
M3- fruit like an apple or 2
M4- (postworkout) 40g protein, 100g carbs, minimal fat
M5- 1-2 hours later 40-50g protein, minimal carbs and fat
M1- tuna + 1 tbsp. mayo + 16 oz. apple juice
M2- tuna salad, grilled chicken maybe, maybe a protein bar, something high-protein low-carb and low-fat
M3- fruit like an apple or 2
M4- (postworkout) 40g protein, 100g carbs, minimal fat
M5- 1-2 hours later 40-50g protein, minimal carbs and fat
MonStar1023
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Is apple juice okay for ANIMALBOLICS? I am curious because they really push OJ and oranges but I am not sure about apples and apple juice- from what I have read theyre pretty low on the glycemic index.
MonStar1023
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Q: Was wondering how you might modify this diet for a lunch time workout. I'm half a block from my gym and can take a 90 min lunch break. This is very convenient and lets me have my nights free. Also, the weight room is always damn near empty at lunch, which lets me super-set and crank up my workout tempo. Mean while, the evening crowds are sooo bad I'd be lucky to even find a weight let a lone lift it...
A: Here's my sense of how to do it. Just eat the protein/glucose drinks right after and 2hrs after your workout. The rest of your meals, make them low/no glycemic. There's nothing magical about working out at night. In animal's example using a PM workout, the person spends most of the day burning bodyfat before the workout. You spend less time in that EC + PPA + yohimbine fat burning at rest state during the day, but you have more hours later in the day where you reenter that state. Like, you go back to the low insulin meals later in the day, whereas the evening workout person, doesn't hit that point of low insulin fat burning till some hrs after his last shake. And he may not even eat again till the next day, the shakes being his last food. If you work out midday you will eat probably 1-2 more times. Look at the overall concept.....low/no insulin meals, then hi glycemic + protein right after and 2hrs after workout. It doesn't really matter when this happens as long as you keep the carbs to post workout. It may be a little better to have a workout later in the day, to have more hours during the day on thermogenic supplements, since if you do a midday workout, you might not be ready to take more ephedrine and caffeine later in the day. That's the only downside I can see.
What I have bolded is the creator of Animalbolics stating that you sohuld eat a bunch of simple sugars POSTWORKOUT and then again 1-2 hours later.. everyone that has done this diet has skipped the carbs 1-2 hours later for some reason and just had a protein shake..
A: Here's my sense of how to do it. Just eat the protein/glucose drinks right after and 2hrs after your workout. The rest of your meals, make them low/no glycemic. There's nothing magical about working out at night. In animal's example using a PM workout, the person spends most of the day burning bodyfat before the workout. You spend less time in that EC + PPA + yohimbine fat burning at rest state during the day, but you have more hours later in the day where you reenter that state. Like, you go back to the low insulin meals later in the day, whereas the evening workout person, doesn't hit that point of low insulin fat burning till some hrs after his last shake. And he may not even eat again till the next day, the shakes being his last food. If you work out midday you will eat probably 1-2 more times. Look at the overall concept.....low/no insulin meals, then hi glycemic + protein right after and 2hrs after workout. It doesn't really matter when this happens as long as you keep the carbs to post workout. It may be a little better to have a workout later in the day, to have more hours during the day on thermogenic supplements, since if you do a midday workout, you might not be ready to take more ephedrine and caffeine later in the day. That's the only downside I can see.
What I have bolded is the creator of Animalbolics stating that you sohuld eat a bunch of simple sugars POSTWORKOUT and then again 1-2 hours later.. everyone that has done this diet has skipped the carbs 1-2 hours later for some reason and just had a protein shake..
mranderson
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Monstar this might help what I have done to this diet is combine it with the isocaloric diet 1/3 1/3 1/3 diet
am cardio 30-45min I wait to eat for about 2hrs
cardio is around 6am so my first meal is about 9-9:30am
whey and flax seed oil ill have a couple more meals similiar to
that like tuna and flax or chicken breast and flax preworkout
is either oatmeal and whey or whey and a couple of green apples
so im getting some of my protein through out the day all of my 1/3 fat intake during the day and then and as little carbs as possible until my postworkout meals whick i consume the rest of my carbs and protein which is alwayswhey postworkout maltodextrine (spelling i think is wrong) is cheap and easy to use postworkout and works wonders.
so in essence yes go atkins all day until postworkout I do stay away from sauage and bacon my fats are flax and almond oil mostly, but give it a try write out you cals like an isocaloric diet but moditfy when you take in what nutrients hope this helps some have a good one.
Oh and i dont care what anyone says suger is suger and suger causes insulin to rise and this stops liposis so try to cut all you carbs until some preworkout carbs and your postworkout carbs
this worst is fruit juices
am cardio 30-45min I wait to eat for about 2hrs
cardio is around 6am so my first meal is about 9-9:30am
whey and flax seed oil ill have a couple more meals similiar to
that like tuna and flax or chicken breast and flax preworkout
is either oatmeal and whey or whey and a couple of green apples
so im getting some of my protein through out the day all of my 1/3 fat intake during the day and then and as little carbs as possible until my postworkout meals whick i consume the rest of my carbs and protein which is alwayswhey postworkout maltodextrine (spelling i think is wrong) is cheap and easy to use postworkout and works wonders.
so in essence yes go atkins all day until postworkout I do stay away from sauage and bacon my fats are flax and almond oil mostly, but give it a try write out you cals like an isocaloric diet but moditfy when you take in what nutrients hope this helps some have a good one.
Oh and i dont care what anyone says suger is suger and suger causes insulin to rise and this stops liposis so try to cut all you carbs until some preworkout carbs and your postworkout carbs
this worst is fruit juices
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MonStar1023
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Apple juice, unsweetened, 1 cup, GI - 40
Fruit, Apple, 1 medium, GI - 38
Fruit, Orange, 1 medium, GI - 44
Fruit, Orange juice, 1 cup, GI - 46
Banana, raw, 1 medium, GI - 55
Fruit, Apple, 1 medium, GI - 38
Fruit, Orange, 1 medium, GI - 44
Fruit, Orange juice, 1 cup, GI - 46
Banana, raw, 1 medium, GI - 55
mranderson
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MonStar1023 said:Apple juice, unsweetened, 1 cup, GI - 40
Fruit, Apple, 1 medium, GI - 38
Fruit, Orange, 1 medium, GI - 44
Fruit, Orange juice, 1 cup, GI - 46
Banana, raw, 1 medium, GI - 55
I know you point about GI ratings but even a slight
elevation in blood suger levels is going to raise insulin which
A states stops liposis I believe that the diet is more effective if sugars are cut out completly until postwork out hope this helps
My End Over Mad her
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monstar i think that your diet is good
but he is right about taking out the simple sugars
but i would not take the fruit out, because
not only is it natural but it takes longer
for the body to digest and use than
the juice cuz the juice goes right down your throat
and could spike insulin quicker
since it takes longer to eat an apple
i think that an apple would be better than
other fruit since it takes longer to eat
it and it's GI is lower than banannas for instance
i would have about 1-2 servings before
the werkout anytime before for optimal results
but i don't think its necessary
if you do decide to drink apple juice
then i would do it before your workout
cuz you will burn it all during the workout
i'm not sure if that answers your question
this is just my opinion
but this diet seems very flexible
but he is right about taking out the simple sugars
but i would not take the fruit out, because
not only is it natural but it takes longer
for the body to digest and use than
the juice cuz the juice goes right down your throat
and could spike insulin quicker
since it takes longer to eat an apple
i think that an apple would be better than
other fruit since it takes longer to eat
it and it's GI is lower than banannas for instance
i would have about 1-2 servings before
the werkout anytime before for optimal results
but i don't think its necessary
if you do decide to drink apple juice
then i would do it before your workout
cuz you will burn it all during the workout
i'm not sure if that answers your question
this is just my opinion
but this diet seems very flexible
MonStar1023
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ALL YOUR SUBSEQUENT MEALS ARE GOING TO BE NO GLYCEMIC MEALS! Except for 2-3 doses of 200calories worth of fruit for a total of 400-500calories in carbs to keep your liver converting T4-T3. 200 in the morning 100cal or so at lunch and 100-200 at 2hrs before your next workout.
This is from what the creator of the diet wrote. So you take in a little bit of fruit during every meal more or less.. also I didnt know that you took some complex carbs before bed!!? This diet is seriously CRAZY from anything and everything I have ever read complex carbs are a no no while cutting ESPECIALLY before bed!
Ill try and post the quote from where I read this.
This is from what the creator of the diet wrote. So you take in a little bit of fruit during every meal more or less.. also I didnt know that you took some complex carbs before bed!!? This diet is seriously CRAZY from anything and everything I have ever read complex carbs are a no no while cutting ESPECIALLY before bed!
Ill try and post the quote from where I read this.
MonStar1023
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Quote From ANIMALBOLICS
Breakfast
~10am 3 egg whites and 2 whole eggs
Protein shake
16oz orange juice
Lunch
~noon 1 can Tuna
1 Orange
Pre-Workout 16oz orange juice
~1:30
Post-Workout #1
~immeadiately after
protein shake with simple sugars
Post-Workout #2
~1-2hrs later
protein shake with simple sugars
Dinner 4oz Ground Sirloin
~9:00pm 1oz cheddar
1/2 Potato
This is taken from the Animalbolics article itself.. just a sample mealplan from the expert.. mine is a little different for my first day.
M1- tuna with 1 tbsp. mayo + 16 oz. apple juice
M2- maybe a salad will tuna salad or grilled chicken or whole eggs or something high-protein and mod.-fat and then maybe a piece of fruit or 8 oz. of juice or so
M3- (preworkout) 2 pieces of fruit (apples or oranges) or maybe 16 oz. of juice
M4- (postworkout) 40-50g protein, 100g simple sugars, minimal fat
M5- (postworkout #2) 40-50g protein, 100g simple sugars, minimal fat
M6- little bit of a complex carb like 4 oz. of oatmeal or 1/2 a potato or something along those lines
Breakfast
~10am 3 egg whites and 2 whole eggs
Protein shake
16oz orange juice
Lunch
~noon 1 can Tuna
1 Orange
Pre-Workout 16oz orange juice
~1:30
Post-Workout #1
~immeadiately after
protein shake with simple sugars
Post-Workout #2
~1-2hrs later
protein shake with simple sugars
Dinner 4oz Ground Sirloin
~9:00pm 1oz cheddar
1/2 Potato
This is taken from the Animalbolics article itself.. just a sample mealplan from the expert.. mine is a little different for my first day.
M1- tuna with 1 tbsp. mayo + 16 oz. apple juice
M2- maybe a salad will tuna salad or grilled chicken or whole eggs or something high-protein and mod.-fat and then maybe a piece of fruit or 8 oz. of juice or so
M3- (preworkout) 2 pieces of fruit (apples or oranges) or maybe 16 oz. of juice
M4- (postworkout) 40-50g protein, 100g simple sugars, minimal fat
M5- (postworkout #2) 40-50g protein, 100g simple sugars, minimal fat
M6- little bit of a complex carb like 4 oz. of oatmeal or 1/2 a potato or something along those lines
MonStar1023
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Cardio/Supplements On ANIMALBOLICS
After thinking about it for a while I decided to do my cardio POSTworkout, before my first postworkout meal. The more I think about it that makes the most sense in my opinion. After eating the preworkout fruit your supposed to burn off all of the fructose in your workout. Well doing cardio after your workout would further help you to burn off all of the fructose- and some fat I would assume..
With supplements I am going to take 5g of creatine + 5g glutamine with 1.5g arginine, 100 mg. ALA with my first postworkout shake, and with my second, Ill take 5g creatine, 1.5g arginine, and 100 mg. ALA.. so everything should work out well.
After thinking about it for a while I decided to do my cardio POSTworkout, before my first postworkout meal. The more I think about it that makes the most sense in my opinion. After eating the preworkout fruit your supposed to burn off all of the fructose in your workout. Well doing cardio after your workout would further help you to burn off all of the fructose- and some fat I would assume..
With supplements I am going to take 5g of creatine + 5g glutamine with 1.5g arginine, 100 mg. ALA with my first postworkout shake, and with my second, Ill take 5g creatine, 1.5g arginine, and 100 mg. ALA.. so everything should work out well.
My End Over Mad her
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if you werkout in the am just switch the diet
so when u get up you drink your oj or whatever
then after your workout eat the meals suggested
then after that have low glycemic meals
instead of them during the day before your workout
thats all you can do pretty much as there
is really no other way
monstars old post explained what to do
when you are having a lunch time workout
just go along those guidelines and you will be fine
i don't see any problems
as when you workout at night
you carb up before you go to bed
then, untill your workout low glycemic foods
instead with am workout you
carb up after your workout which will be in the morning
so instead of night then getting up you will
do it at the beggining of your day
get it? sorry this is kinda confusing and
hard for me to explain
so when u get up you drink your oj or whatever
then after your workout eat the meals suggested
then after that have low glycemic meals
instead of them during the day before your workout
thats all you can do pretty much as there
is really no other way
monstars old post explained what to do
when you are having a lunch time workout
just go along those guidelines and you will be fine
i don't see any problems
as when you workout at night
you carb up before you go to bed
then, untill your workout low glycemic foods
instead with am workout you
carb up after your workout which will be in the morning
so instead of night then getting up you will
do it at the beggining of your day
get it? sorry this is kinda confusing and
hard for me to explain
MonStar1023
New member
Aight thanks bro... I am curious again on non-training days you simply stick to low-glycemic foods all day long.. what about fruit? How much fruit should you take in on rest days.. today I started and I am taking in 400 calories of fruit today.
My End Over Mad her
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that sounds about fine
MonStar1023
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My End Over Mad her-
You didnt answer bro.. I am askiing you what should your diet be like on days that you DO NOT train?
You didnt answer bro.. I am askiing you what should your diet be like on days that you DO NOT train?
MonStar1023
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Please HELP!!
Someone explain to me what I should do on NON-TRAINING Days..
Someone explain to me what I should do on NON-TRAINING Days..
MonStar1023
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Quote From ANIMALBOLICS Author
"On non-training days follow a similar diet although you obviously won't need the pre and post workout meals. However you must eat that protein anyway so include a meal in there that includes foods high in protein and low in fat. So there it is: An effective way to lose fat and retain lean muscle mass quickly and effectively. It's a tough diet and takes a bit of getting used to but it does get results."
So I am guessing you still eat the fruit in the morning and at lunch correct? And also just stick to ALL low-glycemic meals?? What about fruit I dont understand should you eat fruit at dinner as well to keep the liver producing T3 or whatever the reason is.
"On non-training days follow a similar diet although you obviously won't need the pre and post workout meals. However you must eat that protein anyway so include a meal in there that includes foods high in protein and low in fat. So there it is: An effective way to lose fat and retain lean muscle mass quickly and effectively. It's a tough diet and takes a bit of getting used to but it does get results."
So I am guessing you still eat the fruit in the morning and at lunch correct? And also just stick to ALL low-glycemic meals?? What about fruit I dont understand should you eat fruit at dinner as well to keep the liver producing T3 or whatever the reason is.
My End Over Mad her
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just don't eat your high glycemic meals
cuz you don't have a werkout for maximal
fat loss or eat the high glycemic meals
if you can't bare without them
cuz you don't have a werkout for maximal
fat loss or eat the high glycemic meals
if you can't bare without them
MonStar1023
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Again you still didnt completely answer my question I am still confused bro!! How much FRUIT should I be eating on non-training days?? I ate fruit with breakfast should I eat it the rest of the day!?
My End Over Mad her
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eat the same amount of fucking fruit you would on
a training day i would think =)
dude i know as much as those articles we have
both read tell us i think its all opinion from this moment on
just try out the way you like it and prefer
and if it doesn't werk out drop some fruit
and take out your high glycemic meals on non werkout days if your not loosing as much fat as you want
if your instincts tell u not to eat them then don't
but i would anyway just because if i was hungry
for the meal i would just eat in anyway
thats what i would do
i wouldn't start out too strict cuz
what if u could eat them and not hinder fat loss you know
what i mean?
he wants you too eat like 300-400 calories of fruit
thats like 3-4 banannas on werkout days
i think on non werkout days i would eat them as well
as they have nothing to do if you werkout or not
the high glycemic meals after your werkout is
what we should figure out, and i think you should
drop them unless you want them and are hungry for them
and if you don't loose enuff weight then for sure try
dropping them but keep the fruit i keep repeating myself i know
but the thoughts come to my head and just type
i hope this helps reply again if you want
a training day i would think =)
dude i know as much as those articles we have
both read tell us i think its all opinion from this moment on
just try out the way you like it and prefer
and if it doesn't werk out drop some fruit
and take out your high glycemic meals on non werkout days if your not loosing as much fat as you want
if your instincts tell u not to eat them then don't
but i would anyway just because if i was hungry
for the meal i would just eat in anyway
thats what i would do
i wouldn't start out too strict cuz
what if u could eat them and not hinder fat loss you know
what i mean?
he wants you too eat like 300-400 calories of fruit
thats like 3-4 banannas on werkout days
i think on non werkout days i would eat them as well
as they have nothing to do if you werkout or not
the high glycemic meals after your werkout is
what we should figure out, and i think you should
drop them unless you want them and are hungry for them
and if you don't loose enuff weight then for sure try
dropping them but keep the fruit i keep repeating myself i know
but the thoughts come to my head and just type
i hope this helps reply again if you want
MonStar1023
New member
BUMP
What were your RESULTS from ANIMALBOLICS? I am curious.. thanks for the replies..
What were your RESULTS from ANIMALBOLICS? I am curious.. thanks for the replies..
My End Over Mad her
New member
i tired it out for a little while but not long enough
to see any results, but i was definately looking
thinner, i guess hahah.
i just done a lot of reading on it that's pretty much it.
im sure it is successful if you stick to it.
to see any results, but i was definately looking
thinner, i guess hahah.
i just done a lot of reading on it that's pretty much it.
im sure it is successful if you stick to it.
MonStar1023
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Please check out my Animalbolics training journal in the Traiing section of Elite..
MonStar1023
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BUMP
Anyone else tried this diet?
Anyone else tried this diet?
MonStar1023
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BUMP BUMP BUMP
What's everyone think of this diet??
What's everyone think of this diet??
MonStar1023
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ANIMALBOLICS
Heres the info from the Supplement Board.
These are not my ideas. These are Animals.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Biochemistry
The whole idea behind the diet is to control the release of insulin and to make it work for you and not against you. As we all know stimulation of the secretion of insulin is caused by an increase in blood glucose levels. Insulin is a polypeptide hormone that stimulates the assimilation of glucose into glycogen by the liver. Glycogen is a branched polymer of glucose residues that is the storage for of the latter in the liver and skeletal muscle. The funny thing about insulin is that when the muscles and liver is full of the glycogen the insulin will slam the excess into fat cells which is a BAD, BAD thing!! If you eat excess sugar (glucose) when your body doesnt need it or can't handle it then at least some of it will be changed to fat!
Diet
If you control control your intake of carbohydrates to the times when you muscle stores of glycogen are depleted then when you replenish the lost Glycogen you can actually add more than there was before. There is no greater time for need of the glycogen than after a workout where you have just burned a ton of your muscle glycogen. By ingesting adequeate amounts of the right type of carbohydrate you can Supercompensate for the lost muscle glycogen. If you ingest only enough of these high GI index carbs to fill your muscles and liver a bare minimum will get changed to fat at the most!! After ingesting these carbs if you go back to a "No Carb" diet you will make sure that no extra glucose will be turned to fat!!!
Animals original post on Animalobolics
Study perfi,rmed by Taylor and colleagues.' Following ingestion of a test meal consisting of cereal, skim milk, scrambled eggs, French toast, apple juice, and a milk shake [200 g (60% or 800 calories) carbohydrate, 45 g (21% fat or 405 calories), 80 g (19% or 320 calories) protein; 1,914 kcall] [The total calories and the breakdown of the intake is wrong because my scanner screwed it up and I don't have the original] by healthy subjects, muscle glycogen concentration did not start to rise until 1-2 hours after eating, and the increase was not statistically significant until 3 hours after eating. Seven hours following the meal, plasma insulin levels were still elevated threefold. Four hours following the meal, muscle glycogen began to fall, suggesting a flux of excess carbon out of the muscle and into storage as triglycerides (fat).
Another argument for Animalobolics! I had been looking for this entry into my comp for 2 years and though I don't have the entire study, that last line is significant. This was a mixed meal containing fat. This is not what you want to do after a workout. Look how long it took glycogen levels in the muscle to rise. 1-2 hours and it wasn't important until 3 hours. You need no fat and simple carbs with protein after a workout.
Seven hours following the meal, plasma insulin levels were still elevated threefold. Let's see, you want to eat small meals all day, still? The point is that eating mixed meals gets your insulin up and keeps it up for a long time. Hell, by 7 hours many would have eaten 2 more times and that would push your insulin up even higher and longer. Remember, if insulin is present, fat burning is negative!
The magical last line!!! Four hours following the meal, muscle glycogen began to fall, suggesting a flux of excess carbon out of the muscle and into storage as triglycerides (fat). Ahahahaha! Your insulin is still sky high and you haven't eaten anything, and carbon is leaking out of the muscles to be turned into fat! The muscles have all the carbs they need and when they are full of glycogen any excess glucose is going to be stored as fat! Read it, again. This is a main point of Animalobolics and why you only have carbs after your workout. Why? Because you carbed up AFTER the workout when it is most important and any further influx of carbs is going to leak out of a fully carbed up muscle and go to fat.
Again, I will give you the basics and most of you can figure out the rest. Base calorie should be figured out at 10-12 x your wt in lbs. All caloric intake is worked out by going backwards from your post workout meal. For that meal you take in 1g carbs for every 1k bodyweight. Now, you also take 1g whey or soy protein for every 2.5g of carbs that you just figured out. Do this immediately and 1-2 hours later. Subtract those numbers from your total caloric intake to see how much else you can eat for your other meals.
200lb man x 12 = 2400 calories.
200/2.2 = 90K
90K = 90g carbs after workout.
90/2.5 = 36g protein.
90g carbohydrates = 360cal
36g protein = 145 cal protein.
Total immediate intake is 505calories.
If you don't that regimen 1-2 hours later you will then have 1010calories.
2400 base - workout meals = 1390 calories left to eat for the next 24 hours. (Almost 3 Bigmacs) and if you can't make it through the day on those calories I don't know what to tell you) I'll tell you that with all that protein it is hard to eat after those 2 postworkout meals.
ALL YOUR SUBSEQUENT MEALS ARE GOING TO BE NO GLYCEMIC MEALS! Except for 2-3 doses of 200calories worth of fruit for a total of 400-500calories in carbs to keep your liver converting T4-T3. 200 in the morning 100cal or so at lunch and 100-200 at 2hrs before your next workout.
1390 - 500 calories leaves you with 890. If you are taking 1g protein per lb which I find very hard to do, that is 200g protein and 800 calories. You already have taken in 72g protein for 288 calories. From morning until your next workout you then need to get 128 g protein or 512 more calories in protein. That leaves you with only 378 calories in fat which is 42g. Just make sure you eat whey protein and eggs in the morning, then you can eat chicken or tuna salad (no bread) or taco salads (no shell) for lunch and you will be set. After the 2nd post-workout meals try to eat somewhat of a regular small meal to slow absorption and give you a release of protein while you sleep.
My Abolics Diet (~200lbs)
Outline: Protein Carbs Fat Cals
2 Post-workout shakes each at 36 90 0 505
Fruit 0 125 0 500
Remaining Protein 128 0 0 512
Remaining Fat 0 0 42 378
Total: 200 305 42 2400
Meal Food Protein Carbs Fat
Breakfast
~10am 3 egg whites and 2 whole eggs 26 0 12
Protein shake 18 1 0
16oz OJ 0 51 0
Lunch
~noon 1 can Tuna 30 0 0
1 Orange 0 17 0
Pre-Workout 16oz OJ 0 51 0
~1:30
Post-Workout #1
~immeadiately after Shake 36 90 0
Post-Workout #2
~1-2hrs later Shake 36 90 0
Dinner 4oz Ground Sirloin 32 0 17
~9:00pm 1oz cheddar 7 0 9
1/2 Potato n/a n/a n/a
Total: 185 300 38
You guys need to understand that the fruit is vital for this diet to work. If you guys can stand mixing a little honey w/ lemon in water that is much better becuase honey is like 95% fructose. The reason for eating this fruit or honey is that fructose is 4x better at getting converted to liver glycogen than glucose is. This is mandatory to keep your liver converting T3 and T4. The reason for eating the potato before bed is to make sure the protein eaten is absorbed slowly over the entire night.
5-6 MEALS A DAY MAKES YOU FAT!!!!!! How 5-6 meals a day makes you fat! That's right, and you read it here first. They make you fat. After I proved the farce of the ketogenic diets I began to think, 'What type of diet was I on that made me the leanest and put on the most mass!' Then one of the ketogenic diets authors sent me a nasty email which said, 'What diet won't shut down your thyroid, genius.' Well, if nothing else, he was at least smart enough to realize that those almighty diets do shut down your thyroid. I felt pity for him because it was sad how he was still clinging to dreams of ketosis even though he had been scammed. But realized there was hope for him when he called me 'genius'! He still had the power of rational thinking left and I'd be damned if I didn't help this poor soul. Hmmm. What diets don't shut down your thyroid? First, what do we know about how the thyroid shuts down when dieting? There are 3 ways; lack of carbohydrate, heat (DNP and external) and DNP binding to T4 protein and excreting it which is actually good, but that is another story. We aren't going to take DNP so those two are out and we are left with lack of carbohydrates. We are also not going to take CLA or pyruvate so we are left with a pure diet with no catches. How can we keep the carbs going. We all know of one diet that won't shut things down and that is the 'Up and down' type diet. We eat normal one day and lower our calories the next an repeat. This maintains all the hormones, but could take quite a long time. We need a faster and possibly simpler way. Why not eat 5-6 small meals a day? Because it makes you fat! Now we are going to use the ketogenic authors arguments against them. Insulin does what? It drives glucose and needed nutrients into the cells, including fat cells, AND it stops lipolysis!!!! It stops lipolysis!!!!! If I am eating 5-6 times a day I am going to be stopping lipolysis every single time I eat again because I will get an insulin rise which, can you all say it? Stops lipolysis!! You cannot burn fat if you are eating all day! Now, I am back to thinking about when I was the leanest. About 5 years ago when I was finishing college, but why? Because I only ate 1-2 meals a day! That's right and when you see the logic you will see the light always and realize that another scam has been perpetuated upon all of us in order to cell meal replacements. When did all this 5-6 meals a day really start to hit. When those meal replacements became all the rage. Throw them out because you don't need them anymore!! We will start our diet in the morning. The night before we replenished all our carbs before going to sleep. It is morning and we wake up and our body is in what mode? Fat burning mode!!! The first thing you usually learn is that if you want to burn the most fat off with aerobics you do it in the morning before you eat. Since we are in fat burning mode why would we want to ruin it with food that would raise insulin? And for what? What exercise are you going to do which you are going to need all that energy for? Remember you are fully carbed from last night. If you are fully carbed up and you eat carbohydrates then where are the carbs going? They can't go to muscle so they are going to FAT! Your morning meal makes you fatter!! So what do we do? You most likely are going to sit in a car and go sit in an office for 8 hours or so. The only thing which needs sugar is your brain and it doesn't need much. To keep in and enhance the fat burning you are going to drink coffee and take an ephedrin or PPA and add some yohimbine. The coffee suppress blood sugar and the E and Y and PPA cause a release of noradrenaline which is a potent fat burning hormone. If you get hungry you can have a protein drink, but no sugar. Fructose goes to fat automatically and the protein keeps the glucagon level up which is another fat burner. You don't want too much protein, though or that can go to sugar which is going to go to fat, as well. What do I do for lunch? You want to stay in fat burning mode right? First let's look at what others recommend. Eat your largest meal at lunch! Absolutely and totally wrong. What happens about an hour later. You are so tired from the insulin that you can hardly think and it takes all you can do to stay awake. Not only that, but all the carbs you ate are going to fat! What did you do to deplete the liver or muscle of carbs from the morning until now? NOTHING. You sat at your desk and maybe walked across the street to buy lunch. Your muscles need nothing so it all goes to fat and you ruined your fat burning as well with the insulin from the meal. You eat a light low glycemic high fat meal, like a salad for lunch and have some more ECY and maybe another protein drink. 2 hours - 45 minutes before you are going to work out you eat a low glycemic meal like oatmeal or an apple. This is scientifically proven to improve performance and will help you burn more fat. You workout and then you get to eat! Your muscles are primed for growth and now you want the insulin to be spiked so you get more glucose and AA's into them. We also know that most if not all of the recovery substrates need to be supplied to the muscle in a two hour window and then again before 6 hours. Immediately after your workout you consume up to 400 calories in a glucose/protein drink. 2 hours later you hit the damaged muscle again with your regular meal. Your muscles are now loaded with glucose and protein and they are waiting for you to take some ghb and go to bed so they can get some GH. That's it!. No BS. No pain. Look at it again. You are all carbed up. In the morning you are in or near ketosis and you want to keep it there. Eating would ruin it so you don't eat and besides, the insulin and carbs from the meal have nowhere to go so any calories would just go to fat. You don't do anything strenuous in the morning so you don't eat a high carb lunch which keeps you in ketosis. Eat a low glycemic meal 45 minutes before your workout. The time to eat and recover is AFTER you have worked out and that is when and how you do it. Simple carbs and protein and then your meal. Sleep. No expensive powders or pills or special foods. Can't get much simpler. This is now copyrighted material and I am serving notice that this cannot be reprinted, or posted, without my permission. Do it and I sue ya! There are supplements and steps to follow to get the most out of your thyroid and liver, but that will be later. If you have something to say about this being wrong then get some science to prove it or shut up. Just as I had science to expose the fallacies of ketogenic diets, I also have all the science to back this up. Anarchy in the USA
Heres the info from the Supplement Board.
These are not my ideas. These are Animals.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Biochemistry
The whole idea behind the diet is to control the release of insulin and to make it work for you and not against you. As we all know stimulation of the secretion of insulin is caused by an increase in blood glucose levels. Insulin is a polypeptide hormone that stimulates the assimilation of glucose into glycogen by the liver. Glycogen is a branched polymer of glucose residues that is the storage for of the latter in the liver and skeletal muscle. The funny thing about insulin is that when the muscles and liver is full of the glycogen the insulin will slam the excess into fat cells which is a BAD, BAD thing!! If you eat excess sugar (glucose) when your body doesnt need it or can't handle it then at least some of it will be changed to fat!
Diet
If you control control your intake of carbohydrates to the times when you muscle stores of glycogen are depleted then when you replenish the lost Glycogen you can actually add more than there was before. There is no greater time for need of the glycogen than after a workout where you have just burned a ton of your muscle glycogen. By ingesting adequeate amounts of the right type of carbohydrate you can Supercompensate for the lost muscle glycogen. If you ingest only enough of these high GI index carbs to fill your muscles and liver a bare minimum will get changed to fat at the most!! After ingesting these carbs if you go back to a "No Carb" diet you will make sure that no extra glucose will be turned to fat!!!
Animals original post on Animalobolics
Study perfi,rmed by Taylor and colleagues.' Following ingestion of a test meal consisting of cereal, skim milk, scrambled eggs, French toast, apple juice, and a milk shake [200 g (60% or 800 calories) carbohydrate, 45 g (21% fat or 405 calories), 80 g (19% or 320 calories) protein; 1,914 kcall] [The total calories and the breakdown of the intake is wrong because my scanner screwed it up and I don't have the original] by healthy subjects, muscle glycogen concentration did not start to rise until 1-2 hours after eating, and the increase was not statistically significant until 3 hours after eating. Seven hours following the meal, plasma insulin levels were still elevated threefold. Four hours following the meal, muscle glycogen began to fall, suggesting a flux of excess carbon out of the muscle and into storage as triglycerides (fat).
Another argument for Animalobolics! I had been looking for this entry into my comp for 2 years and though I don't have the entire study, that last line is significant. This was a mixed meal containing fat. This is not what you want to do after a workout. Look how long it took glycogen levels in the muscle to rise. 1-2 hours and it wasn't important until 3 hours. You need no fat and simple carbs with protein after a workout.
Seven hours following the meal, plasma insulin levels were still elevated threefold. Let's see, you want to eat small meals all day, still? The point is that eating mixed meals gets your insulin up and keeps it up for a long time. Hell, by 7 hours many would have eaten 2 more times and that would push your insulin up even higher and longer. Remember, if insulin is present, fat burning is negative!
The magical last line!!! Four hours following the meal, muscle glycogen began to fall, suggesting a flux of excess carbon out of the muscle and into storage as triglycerides (fat). Ahahahaha! Your insulin is still sky high and you haven't eaten anything, and carbon is leaking out of the muscles to be turned into fat! The muscles have all the carbs they need and when they are full of glycogen any excess glucose is going to be stored as fat! Read it, again. This is a main point of Animalobolics and why you only have carbs after your workout. Why? Because you carbed up AFTER the workout when it is most important and any further influx of carbs is going to leak out of a fully carbed up muscle and go to fat.
Again, I will give you the basics and most of you can figure out the rest. Base calorie should be figured out at 10-12 x your wt in lbs. All caloric intake is worked out by going backwards from your post workout meal. For that meal you take in 1g carbs for every 1k bodyweight. Now, you also take 1g whey or soy protein for every 2.5g of carbs that you just figured out. Do this immediately and 1-2 hours later. Subtract those numbers from your total caloric intake to see how much else you can eat for your other meals.
200lb man x 12 = 2400 calories.
200/2.2 = 90K
90K = 90g carbs after workout.
90/2.5 = 36g protein.
90g carbohydrates = 360cal
36g protein = 145 cal protein.
Total immediate intake is 505calories.
If you don't that regimen 1-2 hours later you will then have 1010calories.
2400 base - workout meals = 1390 calories left to eat for the next 24 hours. (Almost 3 Bigmacs) and if you can't make it through the day on those calories I don't know what to tell you) I'll tell you that with all that protein it is hard to eat after those 2 postworkout meals.
ALL YOUR SUBSEQUENT MEALS ARE GOING TO BE NO GLYCEMIC MEALS! Except for 2-3 doses of 200calories worth of fruit for a total of 400-500calories in carbs to keep your liver converting T4-T3. 200 in the morning 100cal or so at lunch and 100-200 at 2hrs before your next workout.
1390 - 500 calories leaves you with 890. If you are taking 1g protein per lb which I find very hard to do, that is 200g protein and 800 calories. You already have taken in 72g protein for 288 calories. From morning until your next workout you then need to get 128 g protein or 512 more calories in protein. That leaves you with only 378 calories in fat which is 42g. Just make sure you eat whey protein and eggs in the morning, then you can eat chicken or tuna salad (no bread) or taco salads (no shell) for lunch and you will be set. After the 2nd post-workout meals try to eat somewhat of a regular small meal to slow absorption and give you a release of protein while you sleep.
My Abolics Diet (~200lbs)
Outline: Protein Carbs Fat Cals
2 Post-workout shakes each at 36 90 0 505
Fruit 0 125 0 500
Remaining Protein 128 0 0 512
Remaining Fat 0 0 42 378
Total: 200 305 42 2400
Meal Food Protein Carbs Fat
Breakfast
~10am 3 egg whites and 2 whole eggs 26 0 12
Protein shake 18 1 0
16oz OJ 0 51 0
Lunch
~noon 1 can Tuna 30 0 0
1 Orange 0 17 0
Pre-Workout 16oz OJ 0 51 0
~1:30
Post-Workout #1
~immeadiately after Shake 36 90 0
Post-Workout #2
~1-2hrs later Shake 36 90 0
Dinner 4oz Ground Sirloin 32 0 17
~9:00pm 1oz cheddar 7 0 9
1/2 Potato n/a n/a n/a
Total: 185 300 38
You guys need to understand that the fruit is vital for this diet to work. If you guys can stand mixing a little honey w/ lemon in water that is much better becuase honey is like 95% fructose. The reason for eating this fruit or honey is that fructose is 4x better at getting converted to liver glycogen than glucose is. This is mandatory to keep your liver converting T3 and T4. The reason for eating the potato before bed is to make sure the protein eaten is absorbed slowly over the entire night.
5-6 MEALS A DAY MAKES YOU FAT!!!!!! How 5-6 meals a day makes you fat! That's right, and you read it here first. They make you fat. After I proved the farce of the ketogenic diets I began to think, 'What type of diet was I on that made me the leanest and put on the most mass!' Then one of the ketogenic diets authors sent me a nasty email which said, 'What diet won't shut down your thyroid, genius.' Well, if nothing else, he was at least smart enough to realize that those almighty diets do shut down your thyroid. I felt pity for him because it was sad how he was still clinging to dreams of ketosis even though he had been scammed. But realized there was hope for him when he called me 'genius'! He still had the power of rational thinking left and I'd be damned if I didn't help this poor soul. Hmmm. What diets don't shut down your thyroid? First, what do we know about how the thyroid shuts down when dieting? There are 3 ways; lack of carbohydrate, heat (DNP and external) and DNP binding to T4 protein and excreting it which is actually good, but that is another story. We aren't going to take DNP so those two are out and we are left with lack of carbohydrates. We are also not going to take CLA or pyruvate so we are left with a pure diet with no catches. How can we keep the carbs going. We all know of one diet that won't shut things down and that is the 'Up and down' type diet. We eat normal one day and lower our calories the next an repeat. This maintains all the hormones, but could take quite a long time. We need a faster and possibly simpler way. Why not eat 5-6 small meals a day? Because it makes you fat! Now we are going to use the ketogenic authors arguments against them. Insulin does what? It drives glucose and needed nutrients into the cells, including fat cells, AND it stops lipolysis!!!! It stops lipolysis!!!!! If I am eating 5-6 times a day I am going to be stopping lipolysis every single time I eat again because I will get an insulin rise which, can you all say it? Stops lipolysis!! You cannot burn fat if you are eating all day! Now, I am back to thinking about when I was the leanest. About 5 years ago when I was finishing college, but why? Because I only ate 1-2 meals a day! That's right and when you see the logic you will see the light always and realize that another scam has been perpetuated upon all of us in order to cell meal replacements. When did all this 5-6 meals a day really start to hit. When those meal replacements became all the rage. Throw them out because you don't need them anymore!! We will start our diet in the morning. The night before we replenished all our carbs before going to sleep. It is morning and we wake up and our body is in what mode? Fat burning mode!!! The first thing you usually learn is that if you want to burn the most fat off with aerobics you do it in the morning before you eat. Since we are in fat burning mode why would we want to ruin it with food that would raise insulin? And for what? What exercise are you going to do which you are going to need all that energy for? Remember you are fully carbed from last night. If you are fully carbed up and you eat carbohydrates then where are the carbs going? They can't go to muscle so they are going to FAT! Your morning meal makes you fatter!! So what do we do? You most likely are going to sit in a car and go sit in an office for 8 hours or so. The only thing which needs sugar is your brain and it doesn't need much. To keep in and enhance the fat burning you are going to drink coffee and take an ephedrin or PPA and add some yohimbine. The coffee suppress blood sugar and the E and Y and PPA cause a release of noradrenaline which is a potent fat burning hormone. If you get hungry you can have a protein drink, but no sugar. Fructose goes to fat automatically and the protein keeps the glucagon level up which is another fat burner. You don't want too much protein, though or that can go to sugar which is going to go to fat, as well. What do I do for lunch? You want to stay in fat burning mode right? First let's look at what others recommend. Eat your largest meal at lunch! Absolutely and totally wrong. What happens about an hour later. You are so tired from the insulin that you can hardly think and it takes all you can do to stay awake. Not only that, but all the carbs you ate are going to fat! What did you do to deplete the liver or muscle of carbs from the morning until now? NOTHING. You sat at your desk and maybe walked across the street to buy lunch. Your muscles need nothing so it all goes to fat and you ruined your fat burning as well with the insulin from the meal. You eat a light low glycemic high fat meal, like a salad for lunch and have some more ECY and maybe another protein drink. 2 hours - 45 minutes before you are going to work out you eat a low glycemic meal like oatmeal or an apple. This is scientifically proven to improve performance and will help you burn more fat. You workout and then you get to eat! Your muscles are primed for growth and now you want the insulin to be spiked so you get more glucose and AA's into them. We also know that most if not all of the recovery substrates need to be supplied to the muscle in a two hour window and then again before 6 hours. Immediately after your workout you consume up to 400 calories in a glucose/protein drink. 2 hours later you hit the damaged muscle again with your regular meal. Your muscles are now loaded with glucose and protein and they are waiting for you to take some ghb and go to bed so they can get some GH. That's it!. No BS. No pain. Look at it again. You are all carbed up. In the morning you are in or near ketosis and you want to keep it there. Eating would ruin it so you don't eat and besides, the insulin and carbs from the meal have nowhere to go so any calories would just go to fat. You don't do anything strenuous in the morning so you don't eat a high carb lunch which keeps you in ketosis. Eat a low glycemic meal 45 minutes before your workout. The time to eat and recover is AFTER you have worked out and that is when and how you do it. Simple carbs and protein and then your meal. Sleep. No expensive powders or pills or special foods. Can't get much simpler. This is now copyrighted material and I am serving notice that this cannot be reprinted, or posted, without my permission. Do it and I sue ya! There are supplements and steps to follow to get the most out of your thyroid and liver, but that will be later. If you have something to say about this being wrong then get some science to prove it or shut up. Just as I had science to expose the fallacies of ketogenic diets, I also have all the science to back this up. Anarchy in the USA
MonStar1023
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I am on my 4th day on the diet and I feel EXTREMELY soft and flabby..
I am about to switch over to a CKD.. I know I shouldnt and all that because I havnt given it time but its just so much different its hard for me to stick to.
Opinions?
I am about to switch over to a CKD.. I know I shouldnt and all that because I havnt given it time but its just so much different its hard for me to stick to.
Opinions?
MonStar1023
New member
bumpo
the guys at t-mag did a blatant ripoff of this diet, maybe it will shed some more light on the subject http://t-mag.com/html/body_67guide.html
I did this diet, but I said fuck the carbs in the morning. Basically I skipped breakfast, ate protein/fat only at lunch. then at night I ate pretty much what I wanted to.
I lost 20lbs, but I was very fat (from taking people's advice on here of 'bulking') and it was 'new' fat, if that makes any sense. Also, I was eating 500 cals less than my maintenance amount.
By eating not much thru the day, I could almost pig out at night and still come in at my target calorie amount. For a few weeks of this I used like 10-20mg of Dbol in the mornings, as that supposedly doesnt affect the HPTA, but I am not expert on that issue.
20lbs in around 8 weeks, maybe less. no cardio, thats for girls.
thats my story, take it for what it is.
I did this diet, but I said fuck the carbs in the morning. Basically I skipped breakfast, ate protein/fat only at lunch. then at night I ate pretty much what I wanted to.
I lost 20lbs, but I was very fat (from taking people's advice on here of 'bulking') and it was 'new' fat, if that makes any sense. Also, I was eating 500 cals less than my maintenance amount.
By eating not much thru the day, I could almost pig out at night and still come in at my target calorie amount. For a few weeks of this I used like 10-20mg of Dbol in the mornings, as that supposedly doesnt affect the HPTA, but I am not expert on that issue.
20lbs in around 8 weeks, maybe less. no cardio, thats for girls.
thats my story, take it for what it is.
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