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New batches of Ttokkyo Testonon (re-post)

ThePitbull said:
Good info Damain, how about finding out the same but for the ttokkyo cyp. ???

I know for sure that 2 of my 5 vials are the old batch so far. :bawling:

Pitbull, sorry to tell you this but I'm pretty sure Ttokkyo hasn't released any new batches of their 200mg/ml cypionate with lesser amounts of BA. I'd say the new batches should be out in a matter of weeks though.. Remember, NO PAIN, NO GAIN! :D :splat: :redhot: :kaioken: :devil: :mad:
 
Fellas, I am feeling the pain too but check this out. I am kind of confused now:

STUDY OBJECTIVES: Benzyl alcohol has been used as a local anesthetic for brief superficial skin procedures; however, its efficacy for long-term cutaneous anesthesia has not been established. We sought to compare the cutaneous anesthetic effects of benzyl alcohol with epinephrine with the effects of lidocaine with epinephrine and with placebo. METHODS: This study was a prospective, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial of 30 healthy paid adult volunteers. Subjects received 1-mL intradermal injections of benzyl alcohol.9% with 1:100,000 epinephrine, lidocaine 1% with 1:100,000 epinephrine, and physiologic saline solution without benzyl alcohol as placebo in a randomized, double-blind fashion. Pain on injection and degree of anesthesia at 5, 15, 30, and 45 minutes was assessed with a 10-cm graded visual analog scale (VAS). Statistical significance was determined by repeated measures ANOVA between groups with a Neuman-Keuls test for post hoc comparison of means and Student's t test for paired means. RESULTS: Benzyl alcohol was 48% less painful on injection than placebo (P <.008) and 42% less painful on injection than lidocaine with epinephrine (P <.05). Lidocaine with epinephrine and placebo were equally painful on injection. After the 5-minute measurement, benzyl alcohol provided significantly better anesthesia than placebo during the remaining observation period (VAS score 48%, 49%, and 51% decreased from baseline at 15, 30, and 45 minutes, respectively, all P <.02 versus placebo). However, benzyl alcohol provided less effective anesthesia than lidocaine with epinephrine (VAS score 72%, 76%, 84%, and 88% decreased from baseline at 5, 15, 30, and 45 minutes, respectively, all P <.001 versus placebo) throughout most of the observation period. CONCLUSION: Benzyl alcohol with epinephrine provides prolonged cutaneous anesthesia, although it is not as effective as lidocaine with epinephrine. However, benzyl alcohol is significantly less painful on injection than lidocaine with epinephrine, and it may offer an alternative for local anesthesia.
 
I still say that the benzyl alcohol excuse it just that...an excuse. I actually think it is dirty...but that is my opinion...:p
 
J7835, there is no epinephrine in Ttokkyo's products and you're injections are intramuscular, not intradermal like the study.

2Thick, Brock Strasser, GAC, IP and others have all said the problems with Ttokkyo's Testonon (and Cyp) are due to high amounts of Benzyl Alcohol, not bacteria or problems with sterility. And this is easily proved- use your Testonon with a syringe filter. The syringe filter does absolutely nothing to reduce the pain & swelling. Now if you premix the Testonon(or cyp) with equal parts(or more) of another oilbased steroid, the pain and inflamation is GREATLY reduced because you are diluting the % amount of BA being injected at once.

Pitbull, I'm sorry.. Couldn't resist, but I feel your pain, LITERALLY! :)
 
Damian,
You & about 10 or so other bros, make this site an unbelievably good resource (particularly for those living in the Southwest US). Muchas gracias.
 
P.A.E.. Thanks :)

I got my start here on EliteFitness 5 years ago- I learned a lot from those original members (and am still learning).. just trying to return the favor.

I'm probably the only guy on this board who went from paying $200 for a 50mL vial of Norandren 50 in Ensenada, to having Dr. Arturo Bravo (owner of Brovel) make a 50mL vial of Norandren 200 at my request. :D
 
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