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NELSON and a.m cardio enthusiasts.. interesting read!

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By Joe DiAngelo
Manhattan Personal Trainer


24 May 2003
Cardio on empty stomach? YES OR NO?

Let's take a look at the reasoning for doing cardio in the morning on an empty stomach...

1. Glycogen is depleted therefore more fat is burned - This is the major benefit people who push this method use to support their position. What they fail to realize is that anyone with weight training experience has (or should have) more muscle than is needed to sustain a healthy life. All of this extra muscle is detrimental to the survival of a human! Why? First of all, the individual body has one purpose in life. That purpose is survival. Fat is a much more efficient energy source for survival because it is not energy costly - it does not require calories to sustain. On top of this, fat is slower burning, as it is more calories dense. Therefore muscle will be burned before fat when in a state of starvation, as fat would keep you alive longer! That's the catch - just because glycogen stores are depleted that doesn't mean the body will just go straight to fat stores for its energy. How great that would be! Unfortunately, it's just not that simple. In the morning, glycogen is substantially depleted, in effect, so is ATP. If you have read some of my other articles you would know that ATP is the only source of energy for muscular contraction.

Heavy productive weight training depletes glycogen and ATP with each contraction. ATP is not only the fuel for muscular contraction, it also plays a large role in protein synthesis and repair itself. After weight training ATP and glycogen are depleted (heavy weight training uses the anaerobic glycolysis mechanism on ATP production), and time is needed for glycogen stores to replenish. Glycogen replenishment can take up to 3 days to complete! If you deplete more glycogen than is necessary you are putting your body through unnecessary stress, which will inhibit your bodies ability to build muscle! Less ATP means less energy for proteins synthesis. It's apparent that you want to stimulate as much muscle growth as possible, with the smallest amount of glycogen and ATP depletion, which means that you should train as little as possible, while still achieving the desired results.

So how does this matter in this situation? Cardio in the morning on an empty stomach means cardio with little glycogen, and thus little ATP. Remember that cardiovascular work requires muscle fibers to contract. Just because an activity is aerobic doesn't mean it does not require muscle fibers to perform the work. The primary source of contraction during aerobic work is the Type I muscle fibers. They are called upon during aerobic work because they have a long fatigue threshold meaning - they can maintain contraction for long periods of time. Type I fibers use the oxidative phosphorylation (Kreb's cycle and electron transport) - an aerobic mechanism for energy production. This is the method of energy production in which the body metabolizes carbohydrates and fats to produce energy. The body may also use protein when carbohydrate and/or fat energy are not available through a process called gluconeogenesis. Carbs are used primarily for this, and consequently in aerobic work. This method of energy production produces, bar far, the most amount of energy. You can literally keep going forever until you pass out with this energy system. The reason for this is because the body will catabolize itself in order to meet energy demands. You guessed it - IT WILL BREAK DOWN MUSCLE TISSUE FOR ENERGY. Don't get me wrong here, the body will also break down fat for energy. I'm sure you have been taught in high school biology that fat is the preferred energy source during aerobic exercise. This is completely true for those who do not have any "excess" muscle sitting on their bones. You see, when we weight train we create an environment in which the body is forced to synthesize new proteins in order to protect itself from future stress. This is a basic principle in weight training - super compensation and overload. Overload is the means in inducing progressive super compensation. The body will not synthesize protein it doesn't need. This matters because during aerobic exercise the body has three choices in going about meeting the energy requirements. It can...

1. Use stored glycogen.

2. Use stored fat.

3. Use stored amino acids (muscle).

When we do cardio in the morning on an empty stomach we pretty much eliminate option one. Muscle glycogen stores can never be 100% depleted, if they were we wouldn't be able to move. But, there are three places where glycogen can be found in the body (remember - we don't actually eat glycogen). The first place is in the liver, the second place is in the muscles, and the third place is in the blood stream. In the morning, after your 6-10 hours with no energy (food) liver glycogen will be just about depleted, blood glycogen will have been burned for energy, and muscle glycogen will have been severely depleted. What this means is that your body is in a state of extreme catabolism, it is literally breaking down muscle at an alarming rate. This is because when the liver runs out of glycogen it takes alanine, arginine and the other substrates, from the muscles in order to make more. This is muscle breakdown (atrophy). After waking up, you start to do activities (yes, going to the bathroom and watching TV is an "activity"). What this means is that you are increasing the bodies immediate energy requirement, which means - more muscle being broken down to meet energy needs. Then, the worst thing you can do at this time is to introduce aerobic activity. This means another increase in energy requirement, and further increase in muscle catabolism. Not a good situation to put your body in. Simply having a light meal before this activity would prevent all of this. The body would be taken out of its extremely catabolic state, it would have immediate energy other than muscle to use as fuel, and you will also have more energy to do your cardio with. More effort going into your cardio equals more benefits coming out of it.

2. Increased metabolism for the rest of the day - This one is completely sensible. The thing is - the amount of food and the amount or glycogen you posses have no effect on this. Cardio in the morning is NOT a bad thing; cardio in the morning on an empty stomach is the bad thing. The solution to muscle catabolism? Eat before your cardio.

That is, in a nutshell, why cardio in the morning on an empty stomach is not beneficial
 
I guess it sort of makes sense, but using that logic, you would have to burn away all muscle to get your body to burn fat.
 
i guess all the pros that do cardio in AM on empty stomach while preping for the show are WRONG, yet somehow they DONT loose their size...........MAGIC
 
not saying i agree with it.
just thought its an interesting read after the recent debates.
 
If one follows that logic, it is impossible to ever sustain more than a survivable amount of muscle. Clearly that is untrue.
 
It is impossible to lose fat without losing a little bit of muscle. Thats why people bulk and then cut, two steps forward and one step back. By saying, "eat a meal" before you do cardio reminds me of those guys in my gym who run the treadmill while sipping on a glucose drink. Doesnt that defeat the purpose? As long as there is glucose in your blood, your body will burn that instead of fat. So the theory behind running in the morning on an empty stomache is: burn as much fat as you can and then replenish your glycogen stores as soon as you are done for minimal muscle loss.
 
I think Andy13 had a great post on AM Cardio... LOL ROFLMFAO...

No seriously... It was a good post. -- the laughing was in reference to something else.

C-ditty
 
toilet hamster said:
It is impossible to lose fat without losing a little bit of muscle. Thats why people bulk and then cut, two steps forward and one step back. By saying, "eat a meal" before you do cardio reminds me of those guys in my gym who run the treadmill while sipping on a glucose drink. Doesnt that defeat the purpose? As long as there is glucose in your blood, your body will burn that instead of fat. So the theory behind running in the morning on an empty stomache is: burn as much fat as you can and then replenish your glycogen stores as soon as you are done for minimal muscle loss.

You hit the nail on the head there - its nearly impossible to prevent muscle wasting while trying to lose fat no matter what kind of cardio you do, unless you are doing a ton of anabolics !

That being said, I have never noticed a loss of strength by doing regular cardio in the morning, and any size loss was extremely minimal.
 
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