Need help with my bulking diet

[TheShit]

I have been on a bulking diet for 5 weeks now. I have gone from 168 to 179, so 11 pounds in 5 weeks. I also had dieted down from 180 to 168 prior to this bulking session so that I could start of as lean as possible 9% bf. My diet started off at 3600 calories but I have been stepping up the calories a little each week. I am doing a 40/30/30 diet C/P/F. I am now up to 4100 calories a day. I am starting to get some noticable fat gain at this point (added 1" to my waist) so I am wondering if I should hold my calories at this level from here on out or will this eventually halt my progress. My goal is to get to 190 by the end of November. Here is my typical days intake:

Meal 1:

6 jumbo egg whites
1 jumbo whole egg
1/2 cup oatmeal
6 oz grape juice w/creatine
1 slice healthnut whole wheat toast

Meal 2:
4 Oz Salmon steak
3 oz mixed nuts

Meal 3:
2 cups pasta w 1/2 cup sauce
6 oz grilled chicken

Meal 4:
Pro Complex protein shake (52 grams P) w water and 3 tbsp natural PB
1 tbsp flax oil

Meal 5:
Post workout Mass shake (optimum nutrition power mass 1000) 810 calories

Meal 6:
1 can tuna w relish
2 slice whole wheat toast

total calories=4100
protien=310 grams

I am trying not to mix my carbs and fats in the same meals.

If I hold at 4100 calories will I continue to gain muscle or will my metabolism catch up with me and cause me to need to step up the calories again? I want to minimize the fat gain here as much as possible.

 

[diamonddiceclay]

up the protein by 50-100 a day and cut carbs by 50 a day(halve or eliminate the pasta)you also need steak

 

[TheShit]

ttt


I really want to know if others on a bulking diet have to progressively up the calories as they continue to gain weight or do people generally stay at the same calorie level during a bulking phase.

 

[diamonddiceclay]

if you are still gaining weight, don't up calories-only up them if you can't gain anymore

 

[HarmsWayBC]

for the love of god........

Diamond,
I can hardly take this anymore.......310 g of protein is by far enough for a guy who weighs between 160-180 lbs.....1-1.5 g of protein per pound of bodyweight is the proper amount of protein required for a serious bodybuilder......before you shout out advice, know this.....

Pro's such as Garrett Downing, Nasser, Ronnie Coleman follow the rule of 1-1.5 g per lb. of bvodyweight and they weigh near or over 300 lbs in the off season, and use steroids (which increases the need for protein).....a 160 lb. guy who ingests 400-500 g of protein is basically using it as an expensive and inefficient carb source.....excess aminos are either burned, stored as glycogen, or even fat........

and what is with your hate of carbs???? Clean carbs should be part of any bulking diet, and for the vast majority of the population should be kept at equal or higher ratios than protein intake......

I have been bulking for 5 weeks now with roughly 3500 cals with 250-275 g of protein and 450-550 g of clean carbs....my body weight has risen from 161-168 in those five weeks.....I'm deadlifting 405 for reps, benching 315 for 3 reps (all at a bodyweight of 168), and most imprtantly THERE HAVE BEEN NO INCREASE IN MY CALIPER MEASUREMENTS. My ab skin fold is 6.5 mm still, and the only bad wieght i've gained is water....

If your diet works for you, then great......i whole heartedly hope you grow massive and strong and reach your goals.....everyone's genetics are different and your diet may be the best for you.....but your dietary needs are FAR from the universal normal needs of the vast majority of bodybuilders on the board.

If you want to clarify this, ask someone like Par Dues or Lyle MacDonald.....there far smarter than you and I could ever hope to be.

 

[TheShit]

I agree with you HarmsWayBC. I think my protein levels are fine. If anything I think I need to add more veggies and fruits to my diet. I guess my main concern is total calorie intake. I think I'll stay at 4100 unitl the gains stop. As long as I get at least 1.5 lbs a week gain I am happy.

I was just curious if most other people need to up there calories every few weeks to keep the progress coming. In other words, how quick does the metabolism adapt to the higher calorie intake.

 

[HarmsWayBC]

I've been upping my calories by 250 every two weeks...i'll do so until start to gain too much body fat....the scale is great, but stick with the calipers....for 20$ (Slim-Glide brand) they are a much better method than the scale...i'll keep packing on the pounds until I smooth out too much.

 

[Athlete]

I agree with ''harms way bc''.Do not listen to diamond clay, as all he preaches is low carb diets.Try to get 1-1.5 g protein per pound bodyweight.To get your calorie intake take your weight and X by 20,so say 180 x 20=3600.Make up the remaining calories from carbs and fats(good fats).There is also no reason why you have to have meals that separate carbs and fats(combine them).

 

[diamonddiceclay]

athlete-why don't you shut your uneducated mouth and listen to someone who knows more than you(me)

 

[HarmsWayBC]

Please don't take this the wrong way Diamond, but what makes you think you know more than him or I?

As I stated before, your diet my fit your genetics, but it is far from the norm.....i do not pretend to be anything above a "novice" bodybuilder...i've only been doing it for 2.5 years.....but according to many experts like Par Deus, Lyle MacDonald, and Elzi Volk (note that i didn't say ALL experts) 1-1.5 g of protein per lb. of weight is the correct dosage of protein needed for a bodybuilder.....steroids can change that...exceptional or poor genetics can change that.....however, for 90% of the population 1-1.5 g/lb. bw is enough protein to grow, and grow well......

I respect you and the hard work you put into your diet and training, but remember that your needs may be uncommon.

I say we just train hard and eat well, and pay attention to our bodies and how they react to certain training and diet.....let the experts decide what's best and we'll listen to them.