need help on first cycle...noob

[bryceman41]

my stats:
5'9, 21 years old
145-150lbs 8-12%BF

i have taken underground winstrol before and saw a decent amount of strength improvement. That was over a year ago though.

Now i am trying to regain some weight as i took some rest due to an injury from hs that bothers me to this day (dislocated shoulder).

I need help/advice if at my age should i even be doing a stack? or just take a test booster/some plasma jet i still have.

I was thinking of getting oral anadrol from geneza pharm. and adding Anavar (Oxandrolone) from the same pharm. oral as well.

what do you think?
any advice is appreciated. thanks.
this is for sports performance btw.

 

[ravsta72]

What's your diet like? If its mass you are after then you need to see what adjustments you can make to your diet. Winstrol hardens your muscles and may add minor mass but nothing spectacular in my opinion and experience.

 

[bonacris]

At 150lbs you shouldnt even be thinking about steroids.. save your money and spend it on steak and oatmeal

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[stevesmi]

you need a base to run steroids. hence why you are sitting there with a dislocated shoulder after running winny with zero base.

 

[bryceman41]

What's your diet like? If its mass you are after then you need to see what adjustments you can make to your diet. Winstrol hardens your muscles and may add minor mass but nothing spectacular in my opinion and experience.

my diet is kinda up and down...im working on it and trying to get in real meals with meats(usually chicken) and brown rice. fruits, i eat alot and i eat a lot of fiber and peanut butter. but i need to start eating larger meals instead of nitpicking... foods. and actually make a meal.

 

[bryceman41]

you need a base to run steroids. hence why you are sitting there with a dislocated shoulder after running winny with zero base.

what do you mean a base?

i dislocated my shoulder in 06' during a football game. but lifting weights has definitely improved it and added more muscle. i was suppose 2 get surgery but never did.

the winny, i think gave me more strength and toned up/ more vascular. i did a half marathon in 2hrs 15mins.
the tough mudder thingy...

i think i should probably just start off eating better and then once my weight gets to a decent size/strength...maybe try a cycle?

what do you think?
also i have a few supplements that use to be on the market but are now banned..they havent expired..(17 hydroxy-mesterone) and plasma jet...

 

[Redfield11]

You're too small, young and inexperienced in the gym to start steroids. Give it 4 years, start dieting properly, training properly and when you're up to 190lbs+ come back and think about starting a cycle. Sorry to be blunt but I've seen enough of young, skinny guys strutting around the gym like they own the place because they're on steroids to last me a lifetime. They ALWAYS get injured and lose their gains as quickly as they achieved them.

 

[bryceman41]

You're too small, young and inexperienced in the gym to start steroids. Give it 4 years, start dieting properly, training properly and when you're up to 190lbs+ come back and think about starting a cycle. Sorry to be blunt but I've seen enough of young, skinny guys strutting around the gym like they own the place because they're on steroids to last me a lifetime. They ALWAYS get injured and lose their gains as quickly as they achieved them.

lol im inexperienced, young? your fuckin 25 BRO? because you take steroids, do you have a college degree on physiology/kinesiology? your generalizing me, just as you do with everyone in your gym or whatever you believe. look @ your about me, what do you need PED for? you're 6'5 200+ rugby player, not natural. Also, your from the UK, enough said.(typical, hotheaded, arrogant, fuck america attitude) seen plenty of British troops in astan, to realize the dbags from the openminded. you fit the 1st category.
Sorry to be blunt pal..im not as dumb as you think.(just leave it at that) Secondly, i dont want 2 look like some meat headed 190lb "kid" at 5'9, im an athlete, not a bodybuilder. Already done 2 tours in afghan/iraq in combat, met plenty of tool bags like yourself, juicing it up and still cant pass ranger school, dont jump the gun, your advice isnt much help, if anything it seems more negative and more of an insult...

i just asked for advice on a stack pal, not a fight. armchair warrior lol.."the bigger they are, the harder they fall."

 

[Idobehigh]

Bud I just want to jump in here and tell you with that attitude no one will help you it doesn't matter who is in the wrong here we can't take the kind of arguing here.

You asked for help he gave you his opinion, if you don't like it don't respond. At 150lbs is small the reason why everyone is saying to wait is when you jump on gear your strength will sky rocket and your tendons and joints won't keep up, you will more than likely hurt yourself and cause permanent damage, especially coming out of a shoulder injury. Him telling you a weight is more of a guideline If you will, you need to get a base aka more muscle on your frame it doesn't have to be 190lbs but some more weight will be good.

If you just got done with surgery and your 150 pounds because of the surgery and you use to walk around 170 or up then there is no reason to use aas, the reason is muscle memory will help you out there. You will be surprised how fast you regain your size. So essentially you will waste gear and mess up your natural hormones to get back to where you were, you get what I'm saying?

I am trying to be respectful to you and better explain certain things hope you don't take it the wrong way or get discouraged. Just kick ass in the gym and you will get where you need to be shortly.

 

[Mr. Clean02]

lol im inexperienced, young? your fuckin 25 BRO? because you take steroids, do you have a college degree on physiology/kinesiology? your generalizing me, just as you do with everyone in your gym or whatever you believe. look @ your about me, what do you need PED for? you're 6'5 200+ rugby player, not natural. Also, your from the UK, enough said.(typical, hotheaded, arrogant, fuck america attitude) seen plenty of British troops in astan, to realize the dbags from the openminded. you fit the 1st category.
Sorry to be blunt pal..im not as dumb as you think.(just leave it at that) Secondly, i dont want 2 look like some meat headed 190lb "kid" at 5'9, im an athlete, not a bodybuilder. Already done 2 tours in afghan/iraq in combat, met plenty of tool bags like yourself, juicing it up and still cant pass ranger school, dont jump the gun, your advice isnt much help, if anything it seems more negative and more of an insult...

i just asked for advice on a stack pal, not a fight. armchair warrior lol.."the bigger they are, the harder they fall."

First of all, from one vet to another, thanks for your service time. Respect.

I think that the point everyone is trying to get across is one for your own benefit. It's not a bad thing to be 21, or have less experience in the gym than some of us older dudes who've been lifting for many years. I for one wish I was 21 again.

The fact is, you're below your genetic limitations, eat lots and train hard to get a solid "base" before cranking it up. Don't use juice to give you synthetic gains that you'll lose 85% of when your off because in the long run you're wasting your time and in the case of orals, your health.

Train dirty, eat clean, make solid gains and consider a test only cycle to start when you get your shoulder right and strong. Also toss the orals in the trash, pinning is the only way to go man.

 

[bryceman41]

the last 2 response...thank you.

the UK guy on the other hand, didnt help. thanks for your input. i think that all summed up my question ALOT better than the previous person.
ill keep that in mind.

 

[bryceman41]

First of all, from one vet to another, thanks for your service time. Respect.

I think that the point everyone is trying to get across is one for your own benefit. It's not a bad thing to be 21, or have less experience in the gym than some of us older dudes who've been lifting for many years. I for one wish I was 21 again.

The fact is, you're below your genetic limitations, eat lots and train hard to get a solid "base" before cranking it up. Don't use juice to give you synthetic gains that you'll lose 85% of when your off because in the long run you're wasting your time and in the case of orals, your health.

Train dirty, eat clean, make solid gains and consider a test only cycle to start when you get your shoulder right and strong. Also toss the orals in the trash, pinning is the only way to go man.

actually im 22..i just forgot my birthday passed.. weird. anyways, problem is is my metabolism is so fast and i eat as many good meals as i can..it just wont go up..my strength and PR went up when iwas really training for this marathon after i was discharged and during deployment in 2010. But my shoulder, keeps me from doing a lot of heavy lifts. my lower body is in great health/shape though. I can double bench my body and squat..which imo is pretty good for how small i am and a phuckd up shoulder...ill just start eating more and listen to you vets adivce.

much appreciated.

 

[bryceman41]

Bud I just want to jump in here and tell you with that attitude no one will help you it doesn't matter who is in the wrong here we can't take the kind of arguing here.

You asked for help he gave you his opinion, if you don't like it don't respond. At 150lbs is small the reason why everyone is saying to wait is when you jump on gear your strength will sky rocket and your tendons and joints won't keep up, you will more than likely hurt yourself and cause permanent damage, especially coming out of a shoulder injury. Him telling you a weight is more of a guideline If you will, you need to get a base aka more muscle on your frame it doesn't have to be 190lbs but some more weight will be good.

If you just got done with surgery and your 150 pounds because of the surgery and you use to walk around 170 or up then there is no reason to use aas, the reason is muscle memory will help you out there. You will be surprised how fast you regain your size. So essentially you will waste gear and mess up your natural hormones to get back to where you were, you get what I'm saying?

I am trying to be respectful to you and better explain certain things hope you don't take it the wrong way or get discouraged. Just kick ass in the gym and you will get where you need to be shortly.

i understand. thanks. my shoulder, really is what fks up my upper body sometimes. i gotta take days off...i never got surgery, so i just gotta deal w/ it. when i was on winny, i did notice some joint problems in my knee when running and finally went away months after the cycle.

so what your saying is...bulkup/ pack on muscle, then if i feel like it do aas? As far as the commercial like test boosters and what not..is that a waste at my age or
what would you do. if you were in my shoes?

 

[NegroPops]

you are young, and still have room to grow.. a lot.. naturally. That is what everyone is saying.

If I were you, I would look into SARMS.. they will help you gradually put on more size, as well as aid in the recovery of your shoulder.

 

[Idobehigh]

i understand. thanks. my shoulder, really is what fks up my upper body sometimes. i gotta take days off...i never got surgery, so i just gotta deal w/ it. when i was on winny, i did notice some joint problems in my knee when running and finally went away months after the cycle.

so what your saying is...bulkup/ pack on muscle, then if i feel like it do aas? As far as the commercial like test boosters and what not..is that a waste at my age or
what would you do. if you were in my shoes?

Honestly in your position I wouldn't buy anything but food and more food lol you want to eat all day 6-7 meals a day

Sarms can be good I suppose in your spot however if money is limited I would not worry about anything but food if you can afford it and a 50-100$ a week grocery bill then yes u can use sarms if not stick with food

 

[bryceman41]

you are young, and still have room to grow.. a lot.. naturally. That is what everyone is saying.

If I were you, I would look into SARMS.. they will help you gradually put on more size, as well as aid in the recovery of your shoulder.

okay eat alot, i got it.

i do have $..so basically its a "practice" run before aas?
i dont really wanna be a guinea pig and grow an extra toe...
what is it?

 

[Idobehigh]

Plenty of people have ran sarms they are safe, I said once before I don't think you should run sarms but if you are going to then you need to research it a lot more.

 

[NegroPops]

Selective Androgen Receptor Module (SARMS) - Evolutionary.org

The SARMS triple stack protocol - Evolutionary.org

Just remember.. steroids are not a short cut, your diet and training will determine everything.

I lied..

steroids are a short cut.. but your diet and training are more important than the drugs you run.

 

[bryceman41]

Have you personally tried this, SARMS?

 

[NegroPops]

yes I have.

They are great for increasing your LBM, while helping you get or stay lean. And as long as you keep the dosages realistic, and the period of time you run them.. they are virtually side effect free.

 

[Redfield11]

lol im inexperienced, young? your fuckin 25 BRO? because you take steroids, do you have a college degree on physiology/kinesiology? your generalizing me, just as you do with everyone in your gym or whatever you believe. look @ your about me, what do you need PED for? you're 6'5 200+ rugby player, not natural. Also, your from the UK, enough said.(typical, hotheaded, arrogant, fuck america attitude) seen plenty of British troops in astan, to realize the dbags from the openminded. you fit the 1st category.
Sorry to be blunt pal..im not as dumb as you think.(just leave it at that) Secondly, i dont want 2 look like some meat headed 190lb "kid" at 5'9, im an athlete, not a bodybuilder. Already done 2 tours in afghan/iraq in combat, met plenty of tool bags like yourself, juicing it up and still cant pass ranger school, dont jump the gun, your advice isnt much help, if anything it seems more negative and more of an insult...

i just asked for advice on a stack pal, not a fight. armchair warrior lol.."the bigger they are, the harder they fall."

1. I have used steroids for 3 weeks. Up until the end of my rugby career I was completely clean. If I used steroids, I would have failed drugs tests. Only started using steroids to break my plateau.

2. I have a Sports Science degree, check my previous posts if you don't believe me. So your 'tool bag' comment is ridiculous.

3. I'm not actually British, I'm from Germany and moved to the UK as a child.

4. Calling me an 'armchair warrior' is ironic considering I was offering you sound advice. You chose to take it as an insult and returned with a barrage of insults.

5. As for not being able to pass ranger school. If I wanted to join the military, I could. I am physically and more importantly mentally stronger than you. You do not get a first class honours degree from one of the best universities in the UK for nothing. Nor can you play sport at the highest level without outstanding physical ability.

You think you're better than me because you are in the military. You are not. You say you're not looking for a fight. You clearly are because if you didn't you wouldn't have reacted in the manner that you did. 'The bigger they are the harder they fall'. Don't make me laugh. BJJ, Muay Thai and kickboxing since I was 5. I'd put my house on you thinking twice before opening your ignorant mouth if we were having this conversation face to face. So you sir, are the armchair warrior toolbag.

You're not a fair reflection of Americans. Contrary to popular belief we do not hate you. Up until you I hadn't met one unpleasant American, especially on here where the vast majority of people are complete gentlemen.

Think before you speak.

 

[stevesmi]

OP bottom line is you need to stop being so damn defensive.

you need to learn how to train and eat.. its as simple as that. it starts with the legs. how often do you even work your legs? my guess is never or rarely.. actually its not a guess its reality because i see guys like you at the gym all the time. i know how it is in the military as I used to work out on a base.. guys in the military never work out their legs and its because they are typically young. young guys are all about 6 packs and biceps. and they have chicken legs. thats just the way it is.

so bottom line is what i mean by a base is go outside and look at the strongest looking oak tree you can find.. and you will notice it has a strong trunk and roots.. if you do not have a strong trunk you can't grow branches. so what i want you to do from here on out is work your legs, work your legs, and work your legs some more. grow them and you will put on size.

and if you don't want to be a big 'bodybuilder' then why even use steroids? just stick to being a skinny athletic dude who can run a half marathon.. nothing wrong with that (i used to be an endurance athlete myself and its a lot of fun).... you don't need steroids to run half marathons

i'm not sure who got the steroid idea in your head, probably one of your young friends who got the idea from his friend.. however what they fail to realize is that you can't just take steroids if you have no clue how to train or eat.

 

[sneijder]

1. I have used steroids for 3 weeks. Up until the end of my rugby career I was completely clean. If I used steroids, I would have failed drugs tests. Only started using steroids to break my plateau.

2. I have a Sports Science degree, check my previous posts if you don't believe me. So your 'tool bag' comment is ridiculous.

3. I'm not actually British, I'm from Germany and moved to the UK as a child.

4. Calling me an 'armchair warrior' is ironic considering I was offering you sound advice. You chose to take it as an insult and returned with a barrage of insults.

5. As for not being able to pass ranger school. If I wanted to join the military, I could. I am physically and more importantly mentally stronger than you. You do not get a first class honours degree from one of the best universities in the UK for nothing. Nor can you play sport at the highest level without outstanding physical ability.

You think you're better than me because you are in the military. You are not. You say you're not looking for a fight. You clearly are because if you didn't you wouldn't have reacted in the manner that you did. 'The bigger they are the harder they fall'. Don't make me laugh. BJJ, Muay Thai and kickboxing since I was 5. I'd put my house on you thinking twice before opening your ignorant mouth if we were having this conversation face to face. So you sir, are the armchair warrior toolbag.

You're not a fair reflection of Americans. Contrary to popular belief we do not hate you. Up until you I hadn't met one unpleasant American, especially on here where the vast majority of people are complete gentlemen.

Think before you speak.

Get bryceman an ice pack. He just got BURNT.

 

[stevesmi]

Get bryceman an ice pack. He just got BURNT.

i know you are new on here but lets not try to instigate fights and be rah rah rah towards posts..

i hate that shit on other forums I am on, and on here I actually have control over what goes on. its like everyone starts ganging up on someone and its not what we do here on EF. lets stick to constructive criticism for the OP and try and steer the man in the right direction instead of trying to make him feel bad

 

[bryceman41]

1. I have used steroids for 3 weeks. Up until the end of my rugby career I was completely clean. If I used steroids, I would have failed drugs tests. Only started using steroids to break my plateau.

2. I have a Sports Science degree, check my previous posts if you don't believe me. So your 'tool bag' comment is ridiculous.

3. I'm not actually British, I'm from Germany and moved to the UK as a child.

4. Calling me an 'armchair warrior' is ironic considering I was offering you sound advice. You chose to take it as an insult and returned with a barrage of insults.

5. As for not being able to pass ranger school. If I wanted to join the military, I could. I am physically and more importantly mentally stronger than you. You do not get a first class honours degree from one of the best universities in the UK for nothing. Nor can you play sport at the highest level without outstanding physical ability.

You think you're better than me because you are in the military. You are not. You say you're not looking for a fight. You clearly are because if you didn't you wouldn't have reacted in the manner that you did. 'The bigger they are the harder they fall'. Don't make me laugh. BJJ, Muay Thai and kickboxing since I was 5. I'd put my house on you thinking twice before opening your ignorant mouth if we were having this conversation face to face. So you sir, are the armchair warrior toolbag.

You're not a fair reflection of Americans. Contrary to popular belief we do not hate you. Up until you I hadn't met one unpleasant American, especially on here where the vast majority of people are complete gentlemen.

Think before you speak.

lol ehy bruh. you seem like a miniature Arnold up here with all those, oh so great achievements. bjj, muay thai, and kickboxing? wow, why dont you try out for the ufc? LOL stfu. At 6’5 260lbs..your big ass would be too slow to even catch me, let alone training a martial art doesn’t mean shit until you put your skills to the test and compete, I bet you never been in a fight anyways. You like a big poster, just stand there and act all hard. Like I said, I seen and dealt w/ plent y of dbags like you, seems you being a pretty boy, you definitely don’t.. Sorry to get you all butt hurt, but the UK is the only country that has a sports science degree…which equivalent to a community college 2 year associates degree. Woopty do BRO. LOL, @ your about me “Dogs bro. 2 Golden Retrievers and a German Shepherd. Break into my house and they'll roll on their stomachs and watch you rob us (but I will come out and mess you up so don't try it)”..you really are a tool bag. Rugby career? Cool story bro. come play American football and get hit with metal and plastic gear on at 15 mph. Trust me, rugby aint shit to some good ole, oklahoma’s @ practice. big boy. Also you shave and wax your body…you gay or something, definitely a sign of feminism in you, that’s 4sure. Terrorism scares you? What a pussy, iv been exchanging bullets with “terrorists” since I was 18. Let your balls hang and go try out for the little “Royal Marines” LMAO. “Insecure email me and I will find out where you live and crap on your garden”..id love for you to find out where I live. BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Stfu. Annoying ass kid. And hes a big boy 25 year old college graduate!

 

[bryceman41]

"You're not a fair reflection of Americans. Contrary to popular belief we do not hate you. Up until you I hadn't met one unpleasant American, especially on here where the vast majority of people are complete gentlemen."
-you hadnt? you mean you havent met an umpleasant American..well probably because you dont live in America idiot. the vast majority are complete gentlemen LOL alright im done, youre a homo.

-you just need to come to killa cali and ill introduce you 2 some big niggas 2 put your white ass in check. asshole.
go shave you gyno boobs and shrinking testicles. that tattoo sleeve on you looks dumbAF too, another sign of tool baggage...

 

[bryceman41]

who the fuck brags like you..honestly? egotistic, self-centered, narcisstic metrosexual tool... that enjoys taking self pictures of himself LOL

 

[Mr. Clean02]

lol ehy bruh. you seem like a miniature Arnold up here with all those, oh so great achievements. bjj, muay thai, and kickboxing? wow, why dont you try out for the ufc? LOL stfu. At 6’5 260lbs..your big ass would be too slow to even catch me, let alone training a martial art doesn’t mean shit until you put your skills to the test and compete, I bet you never been in a fight anyways. You like a big poster, just stand there and act all hard. Like I said, I seen and dealt w/ plent y of dbags like you, seems you being a pretty boy, you definitely don’t.. Sorry to get you all butt hurt, but the UK is the only country that has a sports science degree…which equivalent to a community college 2 year associates degree. Woopty do BRO. LOL, @ your about me “Dogs bro. 2 Golden Retrievers and a German Shepherd. Break into my house and they'll roll on their stomachs and watch you rob us (but I will come out and mess you up so don't try it)”..you really are a tool bag. Rugby career? Cool story bro. come play American football and get hit with metal and plastic gear on at 15 mph. Trust me, rugby aint shit to some good ole, oklahoma’s @ practice. big boy. Also you shave and wax your body…you gay or something, definitely a sign of feminism in you, that’s 4sure. Terrorism scares you? What a pussy, iv been exchanging bullets with “terrorists” since I was 18. Let your balls hang and go try out for the little “Royal Marines” LMAO. “Insecure email me and I will find out where you live and crap on your garden”..id love for you to find out where I live. BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Stfu. Annoying ass kid. And hes a big boy 25 year old college graduate!

Wow man, ease up on the harshness. Seriously, if you want advice there is no better place to seek it, but nobody is gonna want to help you out when you're so hostile.

 

[bryceman41]

Bro I'm not impressed with your tough talk...lol..arent you the guy who was shipping roids to Vegas? Yup that's you...why did you have to respond back to brycemans post? Its because you care too damn much about what others think or say about you..I on the other hand really...really..really...fucking don't lol...and Bryce not all of us are here to be bros and brahs and all that gay faggot meathead slang...just remember that. I actually despise the way bodybuilders act..so does my gf and everyone we know lol..I'm just here to learn. Take what you need and leave the rest

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LMAO. thank you for agreeing w/ me on this BRO. i do take everyones advice on here seriously except this dbag's. Appreciate it honestly. but this guy...was doing exactly as you said. brag brag brag...thats how majority of european non-americans are. its the truth. and yeah i have taken what i needed and just decided to throw in some words 2 mr.olympia over here lol.

 

[bryceman41]

Wow man, ease up on the harshness. Seriously, if you want advice there is no better place to seek it, but nobody is gonna want to help you out when you're so hostile.

i realize it was a lil harsh...but look at his comments. He didnt leave me any GOOD advice that the other com-mentors have and those guys i actually respect, like yourself. appreciate it.

my question was pretty much answered already btw.

so this thread can be closed.

 

[bryceman41]

OP bottom line is you need to stop being so damn defensive.

you need to learn how to train and eat.. its as simple as that. it starts with the legs. how often do you even work your legs? my guess is never or rarely.. actually its not a guess its reality because i see guys like you at the gym all the time. i know how it is in the military as I used to work out on a base.. guys in the military never work out their legs and its because they are typically young. young guys are all about 6 packs and biceps. and they have chicken legs. thats just the way it is.

so bottom line is what i mean by a base is go outside and look at the strongest looking oak tree you can find.. and you will notice it has a strong trunk and roots.. if you do not have a strong trunk you can't grow branches. so what i want you to do from here on out is work your legs, work your legs, and work your legs some more. grow them and you will put on size.

and if you don't want to be a big 'bodybuilder' then why even use steroids? just stick to being a skinny athletic dude who can run a half marathon.. nothing wrong with that (i used to be an endurance athlete myself and its a lot of fun).... you don't need steroids to run half marathons

i'm not sure who got the steroid idea in your head, probably one of your young friends who got the idea from his friend.. however what they fail to realize is that you can't just take steroids if you have no clue how to train or eat.

okay, first off im not your average joe, dumbass in the military. i already trained prior to the military a knew what job etc. to do in the army. infantry. iv been lifting for well over 5 years and was doing "crossfit" exercises way before anyone even did that little lable shit, in my hs wightroom for football/wrestling. iv gotten great advice..just that dbag from the UK said some shit that bothered me..so i reacted the way i normally act in that type of situation.

i bench double my body weight(w/ a dislocated shoulder), squat 315(my last PR) and havent maxed DL in a while but im guessing over my squat forsure. i use 2 run a lot when i was training for marathons n tournatments. im not new to this. i just asked for some cycling advice since the winny didnt really do as much as i expected and actually fkdd my knee up but healed now...so im trying to get it right this time.

 

[bryceman41]

and to be honest..while i was in the army, people would comment on how big my calves/thighs were and were jealous,(gifted genetics,thankful) hence the reason i was very good at physical fitness because i knew what to train for prior...my bad if i fkd ur forum up. i got my answers i need and if i need more, ill just research. if it bothered you, as you are a moderator than go ahead and delete me or this thread. its all good.

 

[dylangemelli]

This thread is done and everyone that made the comments that were name calling, accusing people of things, etc... consider this a first and only warning... This IS NOT what this board is all about and I will not allow it nor tolerate it... GROW UP... This board is the best for a reason and not allowing this adolescent behavior is part of that reason... If you can't handle that, then don't come back... If you can behave like adults and be productive then we want and appreciate all of you...