Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I have a size 48 ehphd that is about 5 sizes too small for me. Since it is way to small now i figured id cut the back and collar cause ive heard about people doing this, maybe not a good idea in a regular single ply poly shirt? Well i trained in it today. I could finally get into it obviously, but it doesnt seem to work as well as i thought it would. Did i lose alot of its effectiveness cutting it? I can touch 225 without too much effort or pain. I am shooting for 385-400+ in competition, so im guessing this shirt wont do jack if i can touch 225 now. Do i need a new one?
Need help desiding if i need a new shirt
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pwrlftrscott
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|3ossman said:
you have to pull the collar low to get more pop from an open back and hold it down with a belt. sounds like it is time to break down and but a new shirt.
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curgeo
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You can't go wrong with a Karin, but my next shirt....Shh...don't tell my wife is the rage x from irongladiators.com
Brent Mikesell does a good job helping people out over there. I would rather deal with him than deal with Inzer. Call him and talk to him and he can tell you what he thinks.
Brent Mikesell does a good job helping people out over there. I would rather deal with him than deal with Inzer. Call him and talk to him and he can tell you what he thinks.
Chambewy20
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Definately get a new shirt, those shirts don't give you much and you should use it for a light shirt workout. When you cut the back, it's a hell of a lot easier to work with and like scott said, pull the shirt down and lock it in with your belt. Make sure the shirt is set even and how you like it on your shoulders and have someone yank it down for you. An easy way to get the shirt down further is to bring your arms out in front of you and try to touch your elbows while you have someone yank the shirt down for you.
This will move the groove of the shirt lower, but you won't be fighting it as much.
Hope this helps... Metal forever, Inzer never!!!
This will move the groove of the shirt lower, but you won't be fighting it as much.
Hope this helps... Metal forever, Inzer never!!!
wnt2bBeast
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Chambewy20 said:
im with ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yeah, i figured i should just get a new one. thanks for all the input guys.
i guess ill keep it for my workouts. i was trying to pull it down as far as possible but it would just slip right up as i was getting into position on the bench.
suggestions on what shirt i should get? i dont want to spend any more than 150 on a shirt, no exceptions. only poly, im a beginner with shirts.
i guess ill keep it for my workouts. i was trying to pull it down as far as possible but it would just slip right up as i was getting into position on the bench.
suggestions on what shirt i should get? i dont want to spend any more than 150 on a shirt, no exceptions. only poly, im a beginner with shirts.
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curgeo
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Most people are putting up double ply numbers with the rage x from inzer. It's a poly and will run you about 135 from irongladiator.com
The Rage x also has a 2 ply and will run you about 165 (which is close to 150 right?...Shh...don't tell my wife). It really is an awesome shirt. My training partner is a strong bencher at mid 4's raw. He hit 515 at 198 a couple of months ago the 1st time he tried it. I also hear to request the coller to be reinforced.
Here is something from elite about setting up the bench shirt:
Putting The Bench Shirt On
by EliteFTS
1. Put your shirt on and have someone pull the shoulders on as tight and high as possible. Do this one shoulder at a time. The best way to do this is to have your partner pull on the back of the shirt while you lean forward. If the arms of your shirt are tight, it would benefit you to wiggle your arms back and forth. This will help pull the shirt on and place it in the correct position. Your partner may have to brace one of his arms on your middle back to give him better leverage.
2. Now that your shoulders are in the shirt, attach the Velcro straps on the back of the shirt very lightly. You do not want these to be tight. Usually, the bottom two straps are the only ones that are fastened.
3. Put your belt on. It should be loose at this point.
4. Have your partner stand in front of you. With your arms out in front of you, cross them so that the chest plate of your shirt develops “shirt cleavage”.
5. With your arms crossed, have your partner tug on the bottom of your shirt. This will eliminate the “shirt cleavage”.
6. Once the cleavage is gone, your partner should hold the bottom of your shirt taut. At this point, arch your lower and upper back and uncross your arms. The shirt should be very tight in your chest and shoulders. With your partner holding the bottom of your shirt, have someone tightened your belt. This will keep the shirt in place. Make sure the belt is very tight. You will have to suck your stomach in to achieve this.
7. Once the shirt is in position, have your partner adjust the shoulders again. You do not want to pull them as high as they were in the beginning, but just enough to be comfortable. This will vary from person to person and in time, you will know exactly where you want the shirt.
Technique
1. When setting up underneath the bar (setting your upper back, lats and your low back arch), the shirt will have a tendency to ride up and lose position. In order to combat this, set yourself up using an underhand close grip. This will keep your shirt in perfect place. Once your body position is perfect, grab the bar at your competition grip. I personally like to pull myself up (like an underhand pull-up), tuck my feet underneath me, pull my upper back together and push myself into position. This is what I’ve always done, but was reinforced over and over again at Nazareth Barbell by Mike Miller and Bill Crawford. Your upper back should feel spring loaded. If you do this correctly, you will probably be sore the next day.
2. Once you receive your handoff, hold the bar for a second or two. This will accomplish two things. One, it will allow you to start the bar where you want it. Too many times people will rush the descent and thus lose their groove. Two, it will allow you to let the bar sink and reduce the distance the bar has to travel. When you hold the bar, push your shoulder blades/upper back into the bench and push your stomach up. I’ve seen a lifter take more than 3” off his stroke by simply mastering this technique. To learn how to do this, put your shirt on and practice this with light weights. You’ll be surprised at how much this helps.
3. When you begin lowering the bar, do not tuck your elbows in the beginning. Keep your elbows out during the first inch or so. This will help lock your shirt into your triceps. Once the back of your shirt sleeves lock, begin tucking your elbows. This is one that needs to be practiced over and over again. You will develop the feel of when to begin tucking your elbows over time. Again, this is very individualistic.
4. When you are lowering the bar, keep your head on the bench and keep pushing your chest and stomach up as high as possible. This will reduce the distance that you have to push the bar. Having someone yell, “Big stomach!” or something similar will help. Make sure you are keeping your upper back and lats tight and pulled together.
5. Keep tucking your elbows as hard as you can. Once the bar touches your chest/stomach and you receive the press command, drive your feet into the ground and your upper back into the bench.
6. At about ¾ of the way up, begin turning your elbows out. This will ensure for a stronger lockout and a more advantageous pressing position. In order to see how to do this, I highly recommend going to a seminar by Bill Crawford or Mike Miller. Also, the Nazareth Bench Video is a great way to see this technique. This has to be practiced over and over again. You will not get this down on the first try so don’t get frustrated. There is an incredible amount of timing involved.
7. Once you lockout the weight, hold it and wait for the rack command.
8. Some of the key points such as pushing your belly out, tucking your elbows, holding the bar at the top, keeping your head down, etc. are things that need to be coached throughout the lift. This is what training partners are for. They need to be coaching you throughout the entire lift. I also recommend trying these new techniques one at a time. Trying all of these things at once will result in sensory overload
The Rage x also has a 2 ply and will run you about 165 (which is close to 150 right?...Shh...don't tell my wife). It really is an awesome shirt. My training partner is a strong bencher at mid 4's raw. He hit 515 at 198 a couple of months ago the 1st time he tried it. I also hear to request the coller to be reinforced.
Here is something from elite about setting up the bench shirt:
Putting The Bench Shirt On
by EliteFTS
1. Put your shirt on and have someone pull the shoulders on as tight and high as possible. Do this one shoulder at a time. The best way to do this is to have your partner pull on the back of the shirt while you lean forward. If the arms of your shirt are tight, it would benefit you to wiggle your arms back and forth. This will help pull the shirt on and place it in the correct position. Your partner may have to brace one of his arms on your middle back to give him better leverage.
2. Now that your shoulders are in the shirt, attach the Velcro straps on the back of the shirt very lightly. You do not want these to be tight. Usually, the bottom two straps are the only ones that are fastened.
3. Put your belt on. It should be loose at this point.
4. Have your partner stand in front of you. With your arms out in front of you, cross them so that the chest plate of your shirt develops “shirt cleavage”.
5. With your arms crossed, have your partner tug on the bottom of your shirt. This will eliminate the “shirt cleavage”.
6. Once the cleavage is gone, your partner should hold the bottom of your shirt taut. At this point, arch your lower and upper back and uncross your arms. The shirt should be very tight in your chest and shoulders. With your partner holding the bottom of your shirt, have someone tightened your belt. This will keep the shirt in place. Make sure the belt is very tight. You will have to suck your stomach in to achieve this.
7. Once the shirt is in position, have your partner adjust the shoulders again. You do not want to pull them as high as they were in the beginning, but just enough to be comfortable. This will vary from person to person and in time, you will know exactly where you want the shirt.
Technique
1. When setting up underneath the bar (setting your upper back, lats and your low back arch), the shirt will have a tendency to ride up and lose position. In order to combat this, set yourself up using an underhand close grip. This will keep your shirt in perfect place. Once your body position is perfect, grab the bar at your competition grip. I personally like to pull myself up (like an underhand pull-up), tuck my feet underneath me, pull my upper back together and push myself into position. This is what I’ve always done, but was reinforced over and over again at Nazareth Barbell by Mike Miller and Bill Crawford. Your upper back should feel spring loaded. If you do this correctly, you will probably be sore the next day.
2. Once you receive your handoff, hold the bar for a second or two. This will accomplish two things. One, it will allow you to start the bar where you want it. Too many times people will rush the descent and thus lose their groove. Two, it will allow you to let the bar sink and reduce the distance the bar has to travel. When you hold the bar, push your shoulder blades/upper back into the bench and push your stomach up. I’ve seen a lifter take more than 3” off his stroke by simply mastering this technique. To learn how to do this, put your shirt on and practice this with light weights. You’ll be surprised at how much this helps.
3. When you begin lowering the bar, do not tuck your elbows in the beginning. Keep your elbows out during the first inch or so. This will help lock your shirt into your triceps. Once the back of your shirt sleeves lock, begin tucking your elbows. This is one that needs to be practiced over and over again. You will develop the feel of when to begin tucking your elbows over time. Again, this is very individualistic.
4. When you are lowering the bar, keep your head on the bench and keep pushing your chest and stomach up as high as possible. This will reduce the distance that you have to push the bar. Having someone yell, “Big stomach!” or something similar will help. Make sure you are keeping your upper back and lats tight and pulled together.
5. Keep tucking your elbows as hard as you can. Once the bar touches your chest/stomach and you receive the press command, drive your feet into the ground and your upper back into the bench.
6. At about ¾ of the way up, begin turning your elbows out. This will ensure for a stronger lockout and a more advantageous pressing position. In order to see how to do this, I highly recommend going to a seminar by Bill Crawford or Mike Miller. Also, the Nazareth Bench Video is a great way to see this technique. This has to be practiced over and over again. You will not get this down on the first try so don’t get frustrated. There is an incredible amount of timing involved.
7. Once you lockout the weight, hold it and wait for the rack command.
8. Some of the key points such as pushing your belly out, tucking your elbows, holding the bar at the top, keeping your head down, etc. are things that need to be coached throughout the lift. This is what training partners are for. They need to be coaching you throughout the entire lift. I also recommend trying these new techniques one at a time. Trying all of these things at once will result in sensory overload
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pwrlftrscott
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|3ossman said:
what size are you? if your near a 220, i have a karins i would like to sell, a double denim open back, pm me if your interested. ill give you the measurments of the shirt. and make you a really good deal.
Quadsweeps Sister
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pwrlftrscott said:
Maybe Chamb would be interested? His weight stays around 210 - and he wears a Metal size 54. Do you think it might fit him? Please let me know. PM me with how much to sell - thanks!
pwrlftrscott
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Quadsweep's Sister said:
yes, i think it would work for him. i sent you my email and phone #.
did some research and im liking what i hear about the rage x. im going to have my gf measure me up tonight and im going to order one. who has the fastest service on these? anyone but inzer right lol. i cant wait to try this shirt out. peopel are saying they get 50-60 lbs first time they use it! thats big numbers for a single ply, though i heard they are not very durable and lose strength or blow out rather quickly. any feedback on that?
pwrlftrscott
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|3ossman said:
50-60 lbs is on the low side, mine takes 155 more than my raw max just to touch. it depends on how tight you wear it and how strong your lockout is, most people are getting 75-100 out of them, that wear them correctly. 150 is not out of the question. and yes im talking single ply. they do not blow easily. they have very strong stiching. the ones that are blowing are guys using them super super tight, to get the great carryover, and anything will blow when you do that. and yes you will hear of more rages blowing than say a metal poly or a fury, but there are 20x as many people using them as compared to other shirts. i have used almost every shirt made and this is the best shirt i have used by far. and for fast service, try irongladiators ( brent mikesell), house of pain, or powerlifting superstore. all have great service.
pwrlftrscott said:
thats good enough for me! i just ordered one about 20 minutes ago. I ordered it with my exact measurements, so it shouldnt be too tight. I am not too experienced with shirts at all, im worried about my inexperience hurting me. Meaning if you go outside the grove at all youll end up with the weight on your face like a denim. or is it more forgiving because its only single ply poly?
pwrlftrscott
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|3ossman said:
the groove is pretty forgiving, you just need to train in it alot, use 3 spotters if you have them, or bench in a power cage, i have never had a weight fly back toward my head, but i have dumped it on my stomach. they probably sent you a shirt that is tight, but not real tight, when you get into the really tight ones that give the great carryover the margin for error becomes smaller, especially because you have to use 100 or so pounds over your raw max to just get the bar to your chest. i bet they sent you one that is one size bigger than your chest size, that is the norm. i use a 46 and have a 48 chest, that is 2 sizes smaller than they reccomend, but that is where you get the crazy carryover, but you should be very experinced with shirts before you try that. good luck with it, once you get it, ask all the questions you want, we will be able to tell once you try it, if it is the right size for you, and give you some tips on form in the shirt, and how to train for a big shirt bench.
ok this is what im thinking of doing from here on out. I train upper body tues/fri, every two/three weeks (depending on fatigue) i cut volume drastically for one week to recoup then its back at it. i have tweaked my normal workout for this contest, this is what im thinking:
Tues:
closegrip (14" between thumbs) 5-6 sets working to 3rm
6 board 5-6 sets working to 3rm (workdown to 5 board over time like you said)
lockouts (holding weight at top 5+secs) work to 1rm
floor presses work to 5rm
Standing military (mostly for stability) 4x10
Plate raises 2x8-10
Weighted pullups wide 5x5
JM presses and maybe DB skulls if my tris arent blasted yet
Bis/forearms just some accessory crap
Fri:
4 boards 5-6 sets to 3rm (will change to 3 boards 5 weeks out, then 2 board 3 weeks out) put shirt on
3 boards 5-6 sets to 3rm (will change to 2 boards 5 weeks out, then 1 board 3 weeks out) put shirt on
heavy BB rows 5x5
face pulls or upright rows
power shrugs
JM presses
DB skulls
Bis/forearms just some accessory crap
what do you think about this? what should i change? i think this is a pretty solid workout for getting ready. GOD IM SOOO PUMPED TO GET IN THAT SHIRT!!
Tues:
closegrip (14" between thumbs) 5-6 sets working to 3rm
6 board 5-6 sets working to 3rm (workdown to 5 board over time like you said)
lockouts (holding weight at top 5+secs) work to 1rm
floor presses work to 5rm
Standing military (mostly for stability) 4x10
Plate raises 2x8-10
Weighted pullups wide 5x5
JM presses and maybe DB skulls if my tris arent blasted yet
Bis/forearms just some accessory crap
Fri:
4 boards 5-6 sets to 3rm (will change to 3 boards 5 weeks out, then 2 board 3 weeks out) put shirt on
3 boards 5-6 sets to 3rm (will change to 2 boards 5 weeks out, then 1 board 3 weeks out) put shirt on
heavy BB rows 5x5
face pulls or upright rows
power shrugs
JM presses
DB skulls
Bis/forearms just some accessory crap
what do you think about this? what should i change? i think this is a pretty solid workout for getting ready. GOD IM SOOO PUMPED TO GET IN THAT SHIRT!!
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