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Nautilus Training Principles
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edgecrusher
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Need Help,
If you are a beginner, then you can train 3x a week. However, do not train to failure. The reason being with you being new at this, you will compromise form to gert extra reps. Secondly, do not just do 1 balls out set. Once again, being a newbie you will not be good at picking an effective load to exercise with. Do a few sets, feel out the exercise and find your weight that way. Finally, do not look for quick results no lasting structure was built in a day. Listen to your body eat right, invest some time keep learning and you will be rewarded with advances in your body.
If you are a beginner, then you can train 3x a week. However, do not train to failure. The reason being with you being new at this, you will compromise form to gert extra reps. Secondly, do not just do 1 balls out set. Once again, being a newbie you will not be good at picking an effective load to exercise with. Do a few sets, feel out the exercise and find your weight that way. Finally, do not look for quick results no lasting structure was built in a day. Listen to your body eat right, invest some time keep learning and you will be rewarded with advances in your body.
What do you think of the surge routine?
http://www.surviveall.net/ten_week_size_surge_booklet.htm
It's based on nautlius methods...
So, just do 3 x 8 instead of 1 x 12?
This is the diet i'm gonna use:
8:00 -- Milk, Oatmeal, 2 whole eggs, 4 Egg whites
10:00 -- Whey W/ Milk, Grape Juice, Sunflower seeds (Good fats, right?)
12:00 -- Chicken Breast, Rice, Brocolli, Milk, Banana
12:45 -- sunflower seeds
1:00 till 6:00 -- Work
6:30 -- Whey W/ grape juice
6:45 - WO
7:45 -- Whey w/ grape juice
8:45 - 2 chicken breasts, rice, brocolli, banana
11:00 -- SLEEP!
I'm 165/5'11"
Then, in 10 weeks.. Should I just do a normal 4 day split W/ the same diet?
My goal is a 6 pack within the next 3 months and add some muscle.. is that realistic?
http://www.surviveall.net/ten_week_size_surge_booklet.htm
It's based on nautlius methods...
So, just do 3 x 8 instead of 1 x 12?
This is the diet i'm gonna use:
8:00 -- Milk, Oatmeal, 2 whole eggs, 4 Egg whites
10:00 -- Whey W/ Milk, Grape Juice, Sunflower seeds (Good fats, right?)
12:00 -- Chicken Breast, Rice, Brocolli, Milk, Banana
12:45 -- sunflower seeds
1:00 till 6:00 -- Work
6:30 -- Whey W/ grape juice
6:45 - WO
7:45 -- Whey w/ grape juice
8:45 - 2 chicken breasts, rice, brocolli, banana
11:00 -- SLEEP!
I'm 165/5'11"
Then, in 10 weeks.. Should I just do a normal 4 day split W/ the same diet?
My goal is a 6 pack within the next 3 months and add some muscle.. is that realistic?
ZZuluZ said:
Don't get your underwear in a wad man...not at all.
I can't explain why things work...I just know that they do. I expect people to blindly follow my advice? Nope...not at all. I expect those with similar goals to pick and choose from what I post on here. Nothing works for everyone.
I do respect you, very much, and still give that invitation to call you and chat with you one on one...as a friend. Let me know.
I do not respect those who have a degree for their training knowledge. I respect them very much because they have accomplished something scholastically which I have yet to do, but not for their knowledge. I expect people to show me...not tell me about it.
I do train similar to the WSB method. I took the ideas which pertain to me and modified them via "b fold the truth" and made them work for me. If training your body 3x per week is gonna give you great gains...take the next 9 years and prove it to me...I have.
You do not have to respect me either, but I would appreciate your respect for the years that I have put into training and because I come to this board in search or greater knowledge. I do take your posts and thoughts into consideration, I just do not agree with a few of them.
You don't have to explain anything...just put your degree to work on yourself and you will find that not everything...if much...that you learned in school REALLY applies to real live strength training.
B True
"Don't get your underwear in a wad man...not at all. "
I just got compared to SSAlexS and you backed him up. I can't think of a worse possible insult....
" I can't explain why things work...I just know that they do. I expect people to blindly follow my advice? Nope...not at all. I expect those with similar goals to pick and choose from what I post on here. Nothing works for everyone."
And many people learn a lot from your posts. I have no problem with the advice you give. I have a problem with you thinking that because YOU have done it that it is a fact.
Ex:
'Working the entire body 3x per week????"
" I do respect you, very much, and still give that invitation to call you and chat with you one on one...as a friend. Let me know. "
Thanks a lot, I appreciate that.
" I do not respect those who have a degree for their training knowledge. I respect them very much because they have accomplished something scholastically which I have yet to do, but not for their knowledge. I expect people to show me...not tell me about it. "
This is my take.... experience goes hand in hand with knowledge. Without science it is a stab in the dark. Experience is not everything and neither is science, but together they're a great tandem. You modified your routine from WestSide.....but that routine comes from Vladimir Zatziorski. Has he shown you what he has done? How much he has deadlifted? No, but his advice is still very good.
' I do train similar to the WSB method. I took the ideas which pertain to me and modified them via "b fold the truth" and made them work for me. If training your body 3x per week is gonna give you great gains...take the next 9 years and prove it to me...I have. "
I am not an athlete, like you. I don't train for any particular objective. For me training and learning about it is a hobby I plan on enjoying my whole life. I will never plan to stick to certain routines for years at a time.
" You do not have to respect me either, but I would appreciate your respect for the years that I have put into training and because I come to this board in search or greater knowledge. I do take your posts and thoughts into consideration, I just do not agree with a few of them. "
I have respect for your accomplishments but moreso because you've made a concerted effort to help a lot of people [including me when I enquired about strongman training]. Maybe you could be a bit more openminded with new ideas like training the entire body 3X a week. It is a valid concept.
" You don't have to explain anything...just put your degree to work on yourself and you will find that not everything...if much...that you learned in school REALLY applies to real live strength training. "
I don't have a degree; I don't even have a backgroud in exercise physiology, biomechanics or anything else. I simply read a lot. I may never have a science related degree because I'm going into law.
But I agree; science is only good if it can be applied in real life.
I just don't think it should be so easily dismissed it.
Glad we've cleared this up,
Cheers,
-Zulu
I just got compared to SSAlexS and you backed him up. I can't think of a worse possible insult....
" I can't explain why things work...I just know that they do. I expect people to blindly follow my advice? Nope...not at all. I expect those with similar goals to pick and choose from what I post on here. Nothing works for everyone."
And many people learn a lot from your posts. I have no problem with the advice you give. I have a problem with you thinking that because YOU have done it that it is a fact.
Ex:
'Working the entire body 3x per week????"
" I do respect you, very much, and still give that invitation to call you and chat with you one on one...as a friend. Let me know. "
Thanks a lot, I appreciate that.
" I do not respect those who have a degree for their training knowledge. I respect them very much because they have accomplished something scholastically which I have yet to do, but not for their knowledge. I expect people to show me...not tell me about it. "
This is my take.... experience goes hand in hand with knowledge. Without science it is a stab in the dark. Experience is not everything and neither is science, but together they're a great tandem. You modified your routine from WestSide.....but that routine comes from Vladimir Zatziorski. Has he shown you what he has done? How much he has deadlifted? No, but his advice is still very good.
' I do train similar to the WSB method. I took the ideas which pertain to me and modified them via "b fold the truth" and made them work for me. If training your body 3x per week is gonna give you great gains...take the next 9 years and prove it to me...I have. "
I am not an athlete, like you. I don't train for any particular objective. For me training and learning about it is a hobby I plan on enjoying my whole life. I will never plan to stick to certain routines for years at a time.
" You do not have to respect me either, but I would appreciate your respect for the years that I have put into training and because I come to this board in search or greater knowledge. I do take your posts and thoughts into consideration, I just do not agree with a few of them. "
I have respect for your accomplishments but moreso because you've made a concerted effort to help a lot of people [including me when I enquired about strongman training]. Maybe you could be a bit more openminded with new ideas like training the entire body 3X a week. It is a valid concept.
" You don't have to explain anything...just put your degree to work on yourself and you will find that not everything...if much...that you learned in school REALLY applies to real live strength training. "
I don't have a degree; I don't even have a backgroud in exercise physiology, biomechanics or anything else. I simply read a lot. I may never have a science related degree because I'm going into law.
But I agree; science is only good if it can be applied in real life.
I just don't think it should be so easily dismissed it.
Glad we've cleared this up,
Cheers,
-Zulu
edgecrusher
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Needhelp said:
Size surge is agood program for hypertrophy. If you keep your diet clean like you have mentioned, you may lose a few pounds of fat. Don't look for any miracles, as I said before, all good things take time.
"Just to be a pain in the ass, I would like to point out that in his day, Zatziorski was one hell of a light weight Olympic lifter.
"
Even more reason why his advice should be valid.
My apologies for insinuating that he hadn't trained. I didn't know if he had or not; it wasn't my point. Only that he was very knowledgeable.
-Zulu
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Even more reason why his advice should be valid.
My apologies for insinuating that he hadn't trained. I didn't know if he had or not; it wasn't my point. Only that he was very knowledgeable.
-Zulu
MarshallPenniford
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BFold - I'll just add that your goals are different than many of the other people that post here. But speaking of strength, my strength gains have been much more impressive since swicth to a non-failure/increased training frequency approach. However, if I were to one day focus exclusively on strength (which I will do when my muscle mass limit is reached), I will pay close attention to the results you have had and the posts you have made, because obviously, your results have been quite impressive.
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