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n00b: Purchased my 2nd Ph Cycle
- Thread starter jeh
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Losing 25 lbs of bodyfat while gaining 10 lbs of muscle is a very bold claim, also considering it was with a pro hormone, which are typically used for 6 weeks. I am curious if P-stanz was the only compound used, and with what dose and length of cycle? Anyway, your cycle needs work. Why are you only running 3 weeks of organ shield and 3 weeks of n2guard? Take the organ shield out from weeks 8-11 and use it the full 6 weeks. I would also drop the aromasin. And Pick a dose and stick with it for the cycle, no need to taper up or down unless you need to.
My first cycle was:
1-4 P-Stanz 450mg
PCT
5-8
Still working on this next cycle. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated! Someone told me I need to add SARMS. I'm really new to a lot of this.
I'm most concerned with the AI dosage.
I have 2 bottles of Purus Labs Organ Shield (8 weeks worth) and one bottle of N2guard (4 weeks worth). 2 bottles of HCgenerate and 3 bottles of actionmax xxxtreme. Actionmax xxxtreme is basically the difference between HCgenerate and HCgenerate ES. Just felt like throwing it in there for added natural test.
Week 1: Detox and pre-cycle
CYCLE 2-6
2-3 oxandrovar 2 caps a day
4-6 oxandrovar 3 caps a day
2-6 aromasin 12.5mg EOD
1-3 organ shield
4-7 n2guard
1-6 HCGenerate
2-6 actionmax xxxtreme
PCT 7-11
7-8 HCGenerate
8-11 organ shield
7-11 actionmax xxxtreme
7-11 clomid 50/50/25/25/25
7-11 aromasin 6.25mg EOD
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1-4 P-Stanz 450mg
PCT
5-8
Still working on this next cycle. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated! Someone told me I need to add SARMS. I'm really new to a lot of this.
I'm most concerned with the AI dosage.
I have 2 bottles of Purus Labs Organ Shield (8 weeks worth) and one bottle of N2guard (4 weeks worth). 2 bottles of HCgenerate and 3 bottles of actionmax xxxtreme. Actionmax xxxtreme is basically the difference between HCgenerate and HCgenerate ES. Just felt like throwing it in there for added natural test.
Week 1: Detox and pre-cycle
CYCLE 2-6
2-3 oxandrovar 2 caps a day
4-6 oxandrovar 3 caps a day
2-6 aromasin 12.5mg EOD
1-3 organ shield
4-7 n2guard
1-6 HCGenerate
2-6 actionmax xxxtreme
PCT 7-11
7-8 HCGenerate
8-11 organ shield
7-11 actionmax xxxtreme
7-11 clomid 50/50/25/25/25
7-11 aromasin 6.25mg EOD
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Again I would save the aromasin for when you need it, which you might not. I would take 3 caps of ox until you run out while running the organ shield from day one until you run out. And SARMS have their place in cycles and pct, but they are not the end all be all of your cycle. Many people here are pushing SARMS religiously. I personally wouldnt waste my money, and instead use it on quality food. Its your call, and your cycle looks ok, but I would just run it differently to maximize gains.
In 2013, 'New Scientist' reported on the SARM Cardarine that "tests on rats showed that at all doses, the drug rapidly causes cancers in a multitude of organs, including the liver, bladder, stomach, skin, thyroid, tongue, testes, ovaries and womb." Further research has ceased.
www.wikipedia.org/wiki/GW501516
www.wikipedia.org/wiki/GW501516
Yes Jeh, I would reccomend you run the ox at 3 caps a day until you run out. I have posted this above. Also, Gyno can be a bit different for everyone, but the first things to look out for would be Tenderness, itching, and maybe swelling. Sometimes even discomfort. At the very start of any of those I would start the aromasin, and adjust dose accordingly. Also, the research on Cadarine (dw) that you are referring to is enough to make me never touch it, However many sources far more qualified than me on this board have stated that for many reasons humans should not have to worry. There are also vision problems with s4, and various other issues with SARMS. We still dont know the long term effects of these compounds. That is just my take on it.
I'd like to eliminate a gyno problem before it starts. How late are intial symptoms according to an AI regimen?
Is that the best method Or
Would this work?
Final tweak:
Week 1: Detox and pre-cycle
CYCLE 2-6
2-6 oxandrovar 3 caps ED
2-6 aromasin 12.5mg E3D
1-3 organ shield
4-7 n2guard
1-6 HCgenerate
2-6 actionmax xxxtreme
PCT 7-11
7-8 HCgenerate
8-11 organ shield
7-11 actionmax xxxtreme
7-11 clomid 25 mg ED
7-11 aromasin 6.25mg EOD
Is that the best method Or
Would this work?
Final tweak:
Week 1: Detox and pre-cycle
CYCLE 2-6
2-6 oxandrovar 3 caps ED
2-6 aromasin 12.5mg E3D
1-3 organ shield
4-7 n2guard
1-6 HCgenerate
2-6 actionmax xxxtreme
PCT 7-11
7-8 HCgenerate
8-11 organ shield
7-11 actionmax xxxtreme
7-11 clomid 25 mg ED
7-11 aromasin 6.25mg EOD
You can run the aromasin during the cycle if you like, but do not run it during pct with clomid. Also your clomid dose should be 50mgs for the first two weeks and 25mgs for the next 2 weeks. And again, run the organ shield from day one till you run out. You want to use it while you are on cycle to prevent issues, not after the cycle when you are no longer using the compound. Everything else looks ok to me. Go make some gains bro
So drop the n2guard?
Sorry if I seem bothersome. I just want to get this on point.
Week 1: Detox and pre-cycle
CYCLE 2-6
2-6 oxandrovar 3 caps a day
2-6 aromasin 12.5mg EOD
1-8 organ shield
1-6 HCGenerate
2-6 actionmax xxxtreme
PCT 7-11
7-8 HCGenerate
7-11 actionmax xxxtreme
7-11 clomid 50/50/25/25/25 ED
Sorry if I seem bothersome. I just want to get this on point.
Week 1: Detox and pre-cycle
CYCLE 2-6
2-6 oxandrovar 3 caps a day
2-6 aromasin 12.5mg EOD
1-8 organ shield
1-6 HCGenerate
2-6 actionmax xxxtreme
PCT 7-11
7-8 HCGenerate
7-11 actionmax xxxtreme
7-11 clomid 50/50/25/25/25 ED
Id save it for another cycle, its really not gonna make a huge difference IMO. And Drop the 5th week of clomid, 4 is more than enough to recover at the doses Ive outlined for you. If you run into problems with gyno, shoot me a pm and ill go over what you can do. But just to let you know I highly doubt you will have any issues with this cycle.
I dont have enough Organ shield.
Hope this works.
Thanks!
Week 0: Detox and pre-cycle
CYCLE 1-6
1-6 oxandrovar 3 caps a day
1-6 aromasin 12.5mg EOD
0-2 organ shield
3-6 N2guard
0-6 HCgenerate
2-6 actionmax xxxtreme
PCT 7-10
7- HCgenerate
7-10 organ shield
7-10 actionmax xxxtreme
7-10 clomid 50/50/25/25
Hope this works.
Thanks!
Week 0: Detox and pre-cycle
CYCLE 1-6
1-6 oxandrovar 3 caps a day
1-6 aromasin 12.5mg EOD
0-2 organ shield
3-6 N2guard
0-6 HCgenerate
2-6 actionmax xxxtreme
PCT 7-10
7- HCgenerate
7-10 organ shield
7-10 actionmax xxxtreme
7-10 clomid 50/50/25/25
Shrine1
The Resistance
I wouldnt start out with 3 caps right out of the gate. Start in weeks 2 or 3 to see how your body reacts.. that study on GW was debunked along time ago.. and to say sarms are subpar is a ignorant statement. Sarms are legal steriods IMO and produce awesome results
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I do agree that starting with two caps a day and assessing would probably be best, however everyone is entitled to their opinion, in which I gave. Also, I believe you should consider using another word besides "ignorant", because it is not of ignorance in which I state my opinions, it is of my own personal belief. You have your views, I have mine, other people have their own. Thats what this board is about.
Shrine1
The Resistance
Its not a opinion whether or not sarms produce results. Clinical studies prove sarms are very effective at producing lbm. I appoloigize for coming off opinionated, but to say they dont work just isnt true. Sounds like your source was booboo
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Shrine, when you can show me where I stated that SARMS do not work then we can continue this conversation. As a matter of fact I believe I said that SARMS have their place in cycles and in pct, I just personally wouldnt use them. I also said that the Cadarine results have been proven untrue by qualified sources on this board. It would be best to just help the OP out and not nit pick my views, opinions, or experiences as we all have an important voice to bring to this board.
I cut aromasin out of the PCT because?
I read everything I could find on it and Arimidex. Looks like most people use Arimidex on cycle and aromasin for pct.
Can anyone clarify? Or just preference? Finding information on gyno when to use an AI in regards to a PH cycle is proving difficult.
I read everything I could find on it and Arimidex. Looks like most people use Arimidex on cycle and aromasin for pct.
Can anyone clarify? Or just preference? Finding information on gyno when to use an AI in regards to a PH cycle is proving difficult.
While portioning out the cycle to save time later, I made some changes.
PRE-CYCLE 1-2
1-2 oxandrovar 2 caps ED
1-2 organ shield
1-2 HCgenerate
1-2 human growth complex
CYCLE 3-6
3-6 oxandrovar 3 caps ED
3-6 aromasin 3mg ED
3-4 organ shield
5-6 N2guard
3-6 HCgenerate
3-6 actionmax xxxtreme
3-6 human growth complex
PCT 7-10
7-8 HCgenerate
7-8 actionmax xxxtreme
7-8 aromasin 3mg ED
7-10 clomid 50/50/25/25
7-8 N2guard
9-10 organ shield
Notes:
N2BM Whey Protein
CON-CRETE Creatine
Flaxseed Oil (Omega 3's)
Multi-Vitamins
I'm going to start off with cardio and get my body fat down to 15% and then start the cycle off right.
PRE-CYCLE 1-2
1-2 oxandrovar 2 caps ED
1-2 organ shield
1-2 HCgenerate
1-2 human growth complex
CYCLE 3-6
3-6 oxandrovar 3 caps ED
3-6 aromasin 3mg ED
3-4 organ shield
5-6 N2guard
3-6 HCgenerate
3-6 actionmax xxxtreme
3-6 human growth complex
PCT 7-10
7-8 HCgenerate
7-8 actionmax xxxtreme
7-8 aromasin 3mg ED
7-10 clomid 50/50/25/25
7-8 N2guard
9-10 organ shield
Notes:
N2BM Whey Protein
CON-CRETE Creatine
Flaxseed Oil (Omega 3's)
Multi-Vitamins
I'm going to start off with cardio and get my body fat down to 15% and then start the cycle off right.
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