My Hefty Upcoming Bulking Cycle!

[khemix]

Well guys, I thought I'd post my upcoming cycle. I'll be starting it in the next few weeks or so. I'm 6'3, 6%bf, 193lbs, training for 8 years, 3 very seriously. Heres the cycle:

Dbol, 20-25mg/ed, 1-4wks
Test Enth, 750mg/wk, 1-16wks
Fina, 75mg/eod, 6-13wks
EQ, 500mg/wk, 10-22wks

I may add Anadrol in at week 11 or 12 at 50mg/ed, but I'm not sure. The reason for the low dose dbol is because I react very well to it and don't need much at all. Also it makes my blood pressure go through the roof, so I will be using 20mg/ed of Nolvadex 1-5wks to help keep my BP down and I'm very prone to gyno.

I am not sure if I will end the cycle after the EQ, or not. It just depends how my body feels. I have never had any loss in sexdrive or any shutdown ever. I've had VERY LITTLE atrophy and the only side effects were acne and slight gyno, but its now completely gone. Acne is totally cleared up, and I'm feeling great. The Test, Fina, and EQ will all be ProLine gear, as I've heard great things about them. What do you guys think?

Chris

 

[bowling ball nutz]

man, if you respond well to dbol why even touch anandrol? Imo that would be a bad move. just use more dbol

 

[khemix]

well the reason i dont use more dbol is because my blood pressure gets very high. I was also wanting to try abombs. I will also be taking nolva when on the anadrols, if i decide to take them. What all do you guys think? Would you suggest changing anything? Keep in mind I plan on completely changing my physique and getting the biggest possible on this cycle.

Chris

 

[manny78]

too much and too long, considering your stats.

 

[Lift Chief]

Seems like a lot of test and for a long time for someone at your height/weight.


I'm 6'3" 210 at the moment and will be using 500mg of test for 12 weeks and that's a lot!

 

[pittbull7]

how about a50 weeks 1-4..split up the dose so u get 25mg's every 8 hours then weeks 5,6,7 and 8 use the dbol @20-40mg's..if your gonna play play hard right...also i think 22weeks is a lil long..good luck...are u gonna bridge post cycle or get off and use clomid?and where are the anti E's?

 

[DNIndustry]

If you are going to do it run the EQ right from the get go.
Untill the test is done. Better gains if run them together.

 

[khemix]

I undersand you guy's concern with my cycle being too long and at such a high dose for so long. Hell I even appreciate you guys going to the trouble of posting. I also forgot to add that I will be running Liquidex @ .5mg/ed from start to finish. I chose to run the cycle for so long as I have found that my body needs a little more time to adjust to the drastic weight gain. The doses are as high as they are because this is purely bulking and mass. The only AS with high doses is actually the test. I also chose to run it the way I am because I think my nuts recover quicker than most peoples. Like I said I experience no shutdown at all on my last cycle. I'm expecting to gain alot, and keep most of my gains. After this cycle i will then start to diet naturally. Please keep in mind that I have 4-6% bf year round, which gives my reason for weighing so little for my height. I have excellent genetics and it's very hard for me to gain any kind of fat. I appreciate you guys going to the trouble of posting, and karma goes to anyone and everyone who helps me out with my cycle. Thanks bro's!

Chris

 

[supertech69]

Bro, with those stats, you could make the better gains by simply upping your quality calories instead of the AS intake. Those are close to the doses that I would use & I'm on my 10th cycle & my stats being 6'5" @ 245lbs aprox 10%BF. More isn't always better. There is a limit as to how much weight you can gain & keep from a cycle no matter how much gear you use. You could make great gains on simply using the test & EQ for 10 weeks kicked off by 4 weeks of d-bol. Just my $.02

Supertech

 

[bigp3]

take it from experience dont fuck with drol,,,, it is not worth it.

 

[bowling ball nutz]

I imagine at your height and build it is not easy to add mass naturally, be sure and stretch good all the time to keep the muscles loose so they will grow bigger in circumfrence and not in length

 

[khemix]

Bro, with those stats, you could make the better gains by simply upping your quality calories instead of the AS intake. Those are close to the doses that I would use & I'm on my 10th cycle & my stats being 6'5" @ 245lbs aprox 10%BF. More isn't always better. There is a limit as to how much weight you can gain & keep from a cycle no matter how much gear you use. You could make great gains on simply using the test & EQ for 10 weeks kicked off by 4 weeks of d-bol. Just my $.02

Supertech

Thanks for the thoughtful response! I think I'm gonna change the cycle a little bit and let you guys know what it will be. Karma back to you!

I imagine at your height and build it is not easy to add mass naturally, be sure and stretch good all the time to keep the muscles loose so they will grow bigger in circumfrence and not in length

And thank you for the helpful suggestions. And your right, its VERY hard for me to gain any kind of weight really, with my metabolism being so high and all. I am sure to stretch pretty well before my workout, but will try stretching a little bit more as you suggested. Thanks guys! Karma!

Well guys I've almost decided to drop the dbol. I am thinking about running the cycle like this:

Fina, 75mg/eod, 1-10wks
Test Enth, 250mg/eod (750mg/wk), 1-4wks
Test Enth, 333mg/eod (1grm/wk), 5-16wks
EQ, 166mg/eod (500mg/wk), 10-22wks

Those dosages are gonna be hard to get right in the syringe, but I will get as close as possible. I am running the injectables eod to help keep blood levels as consistent as possible. I am strongly thinking about running 'drol, but I am still debating. I have also considered winny, but i have bad joints, and i dont see much of a place for winny in bulking. Gimme some suggestions guys, karma will be on the way! Thanks bro's!

Chris

 

[The Republican]

Thats more than 1700mg per week for more than 15 weeks. Did someone tell you that this was a good idea?
Dont mean to sound like an asshole, but I just dont understand. Of course I dont understand a lot of the mentality of AAS users these days.

 

[serge]

Dbol, 20-25mg/ed, 1-4wks
Test Enth, 750mg/wk, 1-16wks
Fina, 75mg/eod, 6-13wks
EQ, 500mg/wk, 10-22wks

poorly structured, very poorly

 

[DaddyX]

serge - if it is poorly why don't you give your advice, that would make more sense than just knocking it bro

 

[DaddyX]

btw the only thing i would change is just start the Eq from the start and make it a 16 weeker......ill ttyl about it bro

 

[slobberknocker]

too much and too long, considering your stats.

understatement

 

[The Republican]

understatement

Thank you. Glad to know Im not alone on Planet Reasonable.

 

[bicepts101]

Dbol, 20-25mg/ed, 1-4wks
Test Enth, 750mg/wk, 1-16wks
Fina, 75mg/eod, 6-13wks
EQ, 500mg/wk, 10-22wks
Chris

Yeah bro i think the guys are right here,"too much for too long"

Try this out for size:
wk1-5 Dbol20-25mg
wk1-12 Test enth 500mg
wk1-12 eq or deca 25mg

Juice for thought bro!

 

[serge]

serge - if it is poorly why don't you give your advice, that would make more sense than just knocking it bro

too many holes in it, testosterone is fine, dbol is fine, move tren right after dbol into week 5, dont run eq past everything else, should be ran throughout. plus the cycle should be ended with short acting gear

 

[DaddyX]

serge -

 

[khemix]

too many holes in it, testosterone is fine, dbol is fine, move tren right after dbol into week 5, dont run eq past everything else, should be ran throughout. plus the cycle should be ended with short acting gear

Excellently put. Karma to you. I forgot to explain why i had the things where i did. I originally planned on the cycle being 16 weeks long and i didn't want to end with fina becuase of the terrible crash i heard some experience when ending with it. As far as where the EQ is, i decided to extend the cycle for quite awhile. I will also be running something like anadrol or winny with the EQ, but havn't got my mind set just yet. Thats why I'm here, to get you guys suggestions! Thanks bro's!

Chris

 

[james attwood]

Anadrol or Winny? Aren't those kind of on different sides of the spectrum?

 

[serge]

Excellently put. Karma to you. I forgot to explain why i had the things where i did. I originally planned on the cycle being 16 weeks long and i didn't want to end with fina becuase of the terrible crash i heard some experience when ending with it. As far as where the EQ is, i decided to extend the cycle for quite awhile. I will also be running something like anadrol or winny with the EQ, but havn't got my mind set just yet. Thats why I'm here, to get you guys suggestions! Thanks bro's!

Chris

fina crash is greatly exagerated, i came off fina many times, NO PROBLEMS, although milder drugs would make more scense, the key is fast acting gear at the end of the cycle, NO EQ....winny, anavar, oral primo, test prop........you get the idea

 

[khemix]

fina crash is greatly exagerated, i came off fina many times, NO PROBLEMS, although milder drugs would make more scense, the key is fast acting gear at the end of the cycle, NO EQ....winny, anavar, oral primo, test prop........you get the idea

Yes I see exactly what your saying. I'm not ending with the EQ, that is jsut as far as I've planned my cycle. I am going to judge by how my body feels and looks and what my body tells me as to where i go from there. If i decide to end the cycle soon I will switch to test prop and dbol for 3-4 weeks. I will also be doing HCG therapy as needed throughout the cycle, as well as clomid and HCG post cycle.

Conserning the winny or anadrol....yes they are different sides of the chart. Most people use winny to cut up, but thats not the only thing that it can be used for. I will most likely go with anadrol though, just have to consider a little bit more.

Lets say that I do the cycle like this, and decide to end shortly after the EQ, how does this look guys?

Dbol, 25-30mg/ed, 1-5wks
Test Enth, 750mg/wk, 1-16wks
Fina, 75mg/eod, 5-12wks
Anadrol, 50mg/ed, 10-14wks
EQ, 500mg/wk, 10-22wks
Dbol, 25-30mg/ed, 22-25wks
Test Prop, 100mg/eod, 22-25wks

Nolvadex, 20mg/ed, 1-6wks, 22-26wks (and anytime needed)
HCG therapy throughout cycle as needed
HCG and clomid therapy start when?

I've never ended a cycle with fast acting gear such as prop, so I'm still unsure when I should start post cycle. The EQ will be out of my system by the time the cycle ends, so when would you guys suggest I start post cycle therapy?

I know that is ALOT of gear for a long time. I plan to near completely change my physique. I'm not worried about gaining much fat as stated before, my metabolism being so high. I will get blood tests done and cholesterol checked every month or so. Thanks bro! Karma to all who help!

Chris

 

[james attwood]

How many cycles have you previously done? What did they look like, because that's a lot of fuckin juice!

 

[The_Chemist]

Its a lot of aas for someone who doesn't compete. But if my 2 cents is worth anything I would run it like this..

week1-4 25mg dbol
week1-12 500-750mg test
week1-14 500-750mg Eq

Believe me....there is no reason to run tren in that cycle. You already have a strong androgen influence with the dbol and test. If you really feel that the dosages are too small, then increase the equipoise.

Good Luck

 

[slobberknocker]

I can't remember hearing any mention of food. Would you mind posting both your diet and your training routine?

 

[khemix]

I can't remember hearing any mention of food. Would you mind posting both your diet and your training routine?

Mon:
Chest:
Flat bench, 5x6-10.
Dumbell Fly's, 5x6-10.
Incline 5x6-10.
Cable-crossovers, 6x10-12.

Biceps:
Barbell curls, 6x6-10.
Dumbell curls, 5x6-10.
Upright cable curls, 6x10-12.

Tues:
Back:
Lat pulldowns 6x6-10.
T-bar rows, 6x6-10.
Seated pulley rows, 6x6-10.
One-arm dumbell rows 5x6-10.


2-Chair weighted dips (weight on lap, me suspended between 2 benches)
Close-grip bench presses 6x6-10
Pushdowns 6x6-10
French press (barbell) 6x6-10 (if time permits)

Wed:
Legs:
Squats, 6x8-12.
Leg extensions, 6x12-15.
Leg curls, 6x10-12.
Calve raises, 6xFailure.

Thurs:
Shoulders:
Seated barbell presses, 6x6-10.
Lateral raises (standing), 6x6-10.
Rear-delt lateral raises, 5x6-10.

Forarms:
Wrist curls (forearms on knees), 6xFailure.
Reverse barbell curls, 6xFailure.

Fri:
Abs:
Sitting ab crunches. I sit on my heels and pull 190lbs down using my abs on the trcips push-down machine.


As for food. I don't have a specific diet. I eat atleast 300g's of protein each day and take in atleast 5000 calories as well. I drink 1 or 2 Nlarge MRP shakes (600 calories, 52g's protein) throughout the day as well, depending on my i feel and if i have time.

Chris

 

[PROSOMEDAY]

Point 1) You could afford to gain a lot more first naturally than hit this cycle and it would bump you up that much more
Point 2) If you had a good base before this cycle then I would say its keep it around 16 weeks as that is not to long
Point 3) AD is not the killer drug some may think, although I can respect if someone had a bad expirance with it
Point4) drol week 1-4 Tren week 1-8 EQ front load at 1g first 2
weeks and then hit the 500 week 1-10 at week 12 drop
the test to 400-500 and let your body normalize( get used to the wt you have obtained)
Point 5) Save this cycle work on the eating and get to about 210
on your own then hit it, but I doubt you will so those are
my suggestions. You may have a fast metabolism but you could gain wt on your own. Believe me. Good luck and hope it works for you.

 

[Ttokkyo Jack]

With that cycle and your current size, everyone is going to know your on. Not entirely a bad thing, but I'm sure you don't want everyone to know that you are doing roids. That is a pretty hefty cycle. With that said, I am sure if you do it, you will gain a decent amount of size.

 

[The Republican]

Dbol, 25-30mg/ed, 1-5wks
Test Enth, 750mg/wk, 1-16wks
Fina, 75mg/eod, 5-12wks
Anadrol, 50mg/ed, 10-14wks
EQ, 500mg/wk, 10-22wks
Dbol, 25-30mg/ed, 22-25wks
Test Prop, 100mg/eod, 22-25wks

Seriously now, who told you this was a good idea?

 

[slobberknocker]

Mon:
Chest:
Flat bench, 5x6-10.
Dumbell Fly's, 5x6-10.
Incline 5x6-10.
Cable-crossovers, 6x10-12.

Biceps:
Barbell curls, 6x6-10.
Dumbell curls, 5x6-10.
Upright cable curls, 6x10-12.

Tues:
Back:
Lat pulldowns 6x6-10.
T-bar rows, 6x6-10.
Seated pulley rows, 6x6-10.
One-arm dumbell rows 5x6-10.


2-Chair weighted dips (weight on lap, me suspended between 2 benches)
Close-grip bench presses 6x6-10
Pushdowns 6x6-10
French press (barbell) 6x6-10 (if time permits)

Wed:
Legs:
Squats, 6x8-12.
Leg extensions, 6x12-15.
Leg curls, 6x10-12.
Calve raises, 6xFailure.

Thurs:
Shoulders:
Seated barbell presses, 6x6-10.
Lateral raises (standing), 6x6-10.
Rear-delt lateral raises, 5x6-10.

Forarms:
Wrist curls (forearms on knees), 6xFailure.
Reverse barbell curls, 6xFailure.

Fri:
Abs:
Sitting ab crunches. I sit on my heels and pull 190lbs down using my abs on the trcips push-down machine.


As for food. I don't have a specific diet. I eat atleast 300g's of protein each day and take in atleast 5000 calories as well. I drink 1 or 2 Nlarge MRP shakes (600 calories, 52g's protein) throughout the day as well, depending on my i feel and if i have time.

Chris

Okay don't take this as a flame. It's meant only as constructive criticism.

Your routine, in my opinion, sucks. You are going for mass. There is no reason to be in the 6-10 rep range. You are also vastly overtraining. 30 + sets per workout??????????????? Cut that back to no more than maybe 6 work sets TOPS.

Get rid of the isolation crap. Forget leg curls and leg extensions. And where's the deadlifts?

5000 cals is decent, but you may have a really fast metabolism. Try 7k cals. Liquid calories can be a big help. Try taking in a gallon of iced tea every day. That's about another 1500 cals, and it goes down like water (won't fill you up).


Okay, for real, you need to come on over to the training forum. You could put on another 30 lbs naturally if you got your shit together.

 

[Quadsweep]

Yes I see exactly what your saying. I'm not ending with the EQ, that is jsut as far as I've planned my cycle. I am going to judge by how my body feels and looks and what my body tells me as to where i go from there. If i decide to end the cycle soon I will switch to test prop and dbol for 3-4 weeks. I will also be doing HCG therapy as needed throughout the cycle, as well as clomid and HCG post cycle.

Conserning the winny or anadrol....yes they are different sides of the chart. Most people use winny to cut up, but thats not the only thing that it can be used for. I will most likely go with anadrol though, just have to consider a little bit more.

Lets say that I do the cycle like this, and decide to end shortly after the EQ, how does this look guys?

Dbol, 25-30mg/ed, 1-5wks
Test Enth, 750mg/wk, 1-16wks
Fina, 75mg/eod, 5-12wks
Anadrol, 50mg/ed, 10-14wks
EQ, 500mg/wk, 10-22wks
Dbol, 25-30mg/ed, 22-25wks
Test Prop, 100mg/eod, 22-25wks

Nolvadex, 20mg/ed, 1-6wks, 22-26wks (and anytime needed)
HCG therapy throughout cycle as needed
HCG and clomid therapy start when?

I've never ended a cycle with fast acting gear such as prop, so I'm still unsure when I should start post cycle. The EQ will be out of my system by the time the cycle ends, so when would you guys suggest I start post cycle therapy?

I know that is ALOT of gear for a long time. I plan to near completely change my physique. I'm not worried about gaining much fat as stated before, my metabolism being so high. I will get blood tests done and cholesterol checked every month or so. Thanks bro! Karma to all who help!

Chris

not slamming you but you do not seem to be listening...it got longer!

Quad

 

[khemix]

ok guys, your right. Dosages too high for too long. I apologize for being so hard-headed. Here is the cycle, how does it look now?

Dbol, 30mg/ed, 1-5wks
Test Enth, 750mg/wk, 1-10wks
Tren, 75mg/eod, 5-12wks
Test Prop, 100mg/eod, 13-16wks
Nolva, 20mg/ed, 1-6wks

I will adjust my training routine as needed, although this routine has given me some of the best results. (its the arnold routine) I will do like suggested and try taking in 7k calories a day, but fuck tahts gonna be hard! And conserning the sweet tea idea, i never even thought baout that. Karma to you slobber, I really appreciate you guys help. There have been many time the good bro's on here have helped me out and i want to thank each and everyone one of you. Again I appreciate it!

Chris