My girlfriends voice is deepening from winny

[Trinity13]

I am sorry if I gave the impression that I thought the T-3 was a steroid. I know it is a thyroid medication. I just meant for him to get her off the T-3 altogether, as it can cause permanent thyroid damage if not taken properly which is a real concern as she seems to be inexperienced and does not look like she did alot of research. It appears that she is just going by what her boyfriend tells her and for females that can be dangerous when taking any kind of drugs.

With that said, you should definitely lower the dosage to 12.5mg EOD, as previously stated and see if her sides get better, if not it might be time for her to consider coming off, but that's up to her.

 

[Snow White]

Saha - excuse me!

Fact: If it's working this fast on her, it's going to start building a brow ridge, thickening the jaw. This is PERMANENT.


I do not look like a neanderthal, even after test, deca, primo, winnie and anavar! I contol my doses and use AS very conservatively. So, to make blanket statements like that sounds like you work for partnership for a drug free america. And, if you used AS it wouldn't have taken half the efoort you put in, and you might have looked better! Not a flame, and not to say you don't look good. The point is we are a drug dependent society for everything we do. If you doubt that, the next time you go to the dentist, pass on the novicaine (cousin of cocaine).

 

[Sasha]

Snow White

I didn't take it as a flame. I know I could look better. I am aware this topic is a very highly charged area, and I stuck my neck out as a newbie on this board. I hope no one took offense.

Everyone is different. Some people are androgen insensitive. Some people are androgen sensitive. Women who are androgen sensitive have to be more careful with them than those who aren't. What is low for some could be high for someone else.

KINGKONG69's girlfriend sounds like she's androgen sensitive. She's showing negative side effects. Depending upon dosage and sensitivity (which also depends upon age - the younger one is, usually the more sensitive one is), those effects can happen. I've seen it, though they don't show up in everyone.

If his girlfriend is very sensitive, she should stop and reassess things. She should get a baseline of where she is by getting the bloodwork done. I also believe anyone who is contemplating supplementing with anything like test, t-3, should find out what their own levels are and what their own thyroid function is before starting even if they want to do it without monitoring.

FWIW, There are doctors out there who will monitor a course of steroids. That way at least you're getting clean stuff, and you don't have to mess around with precursors hoping for results. And the precursors won't show up in IFBB blood tests. That normal testosterone range in women will be important for pro or amature competition.

Steroids should be monitored by a physician. That is MY PERSONAL OPINION. What one does on their own however is their own personal choice so long as they don't hurt anyone else, and in that respect I'm a civil libertarian.

Sasha

 

[skydancer]

This is a terrific discussion and a great reason WHY it is so important to research and research and research before taking the plunge. ALSO Sasha is a perfect testament to what can be achieved by plain ol' HARD WORK! You look WONDERFUL Sasha!

I've seen guys especially get frustrated at us ladies here (and some mod's) when we start asking questions about current training, diet etc. But this is exactly the reason why. 95% of the major changes I've made in my body have been through eating enough and lifting heavy. I am still shocked and amazed by all the changes I made just by doing that. I've experimented with a/s 2 times - both positive experiences despite some sides of acne/scratchy throat etc - but only because I'd laid a good foundation already and I was willing to do the work it took to take advantage of a/s.

I can't recall offhand if KingK posted questions about his gf's cycle before starting. It seems to me he did but I've been known to have major brain fade.

 

[BigEasy]

KingK,
We experienced the same trouble you had finding Anavar. We tried for months and couldn't get any and ended up with powdered winny (or at least that’s what it is supposed to be) from Thailand. It wasn't too expensive, but it doesn't seem to be doing anything for my wife either.

I tried them first, just to make sure it wasn't Dbol or A-bombs ground up and relabeled. We were warned that that is a common practise by some of the overseas suppliers. They didn't make me swell up in a week like all the other androgens I ever had did, so we figured they were 'safe'.

After starting out at 2mg for a week and doubling the dose every week we are up to 20 mg eod with no sides. But, like I said earlier, she isn't getting any good affects either. We have about another weeks worth left, so I hope it 'kicks in' soon. Otherwise I guess we got scammed.

I hope things get straightened out with your lady. She sounds pretty headstrong, which I know first hand can be really difficult when you are trying to be cautious. Let her read over your shoulder here. That has helped us both of us greatly. Although my wife isn’t computer literate and won't post yet, she immensely enjoys learning from the others here.

Good luck with things.

BE

 

[Iron God]

Nonsense

That stuff about your jaw bone growing is simply not true.

Maybe if you chew alot of gum or clench your teeth constantly you may experience slight jaw muscle growth.

I don't consider voice deepening to be a serious side, it happens 99% of the time, and your voice does bounce back though it will never be where it was before gear. But its a small price to pay for serious gains

 

[djfitt]

Hmmm, AS prescribed by a doc and monitored by a doc and PAID for by insurance...this sounds like a good deal!

 

[Dingo12]

My first cycle was 10mg winny ED upping to 15mg ED for 4 weeks mid cycle, ended on 10 mg ED overlapping with 100mg primo per week for 6 weeks. At 15 mg ED my voice did feel a bit scratchy but that went away. Then I had 3 colds w/sore throat and tickly cough which lasted about 3 weeks. My voice has not recovered yet but I have an added complication - bulimia involving self-induce vomiting. This happening about twice a week and is much improved on my situation 3 or 4 years ago. I always had a deep voice anyway but the effects of sticking my fingers down my throat, sometimes until it bleeds is damaging both to my throat and my voice. Peopl around me blame the AS, I'm not sure but I am going to really try to stop the vomiting because I am really embarrassed about my voice - it is really croaky!

 

[new@gettinbig]

I agree with IG 100%!! There should be a concern if your girl is experiencing sides...that is not a question, but it is her choice as to how far she is willing to take things. Dosages should always....always start out very low and you need to test the waters. You can always up your dosages so remember that. Your girlfriend needs to be on this board..talking with other women and researching info, so she has the knowledge she needs. It is good to get info from women who have experiences and knowledge of the things she is using. And it is a great support system as well. Your voice is going to probably get a little deeper when on a cycle....it is a very COMMON side and should be expected. Drop her dosages and see how she reacts.....then it will be up to her to decide to continue, up her dosages, or quit all together. This is a serious decision and she needs to make sure she is 100% sure of what she is doing and how it will effect her down the road. What are her goals? Does she plan to compete?

 

[KINGKONG69]

just so you know, i did talk to some women on this board about this cycle 3 months or so ago. and it seemed to be common for a woman to take 25mg every other day, along with t-3. my girlfriend must be more sensative to the steriod like sasha said, but she wants to lower the dose, and give it a week. she isnt new to working out, she's 5'3", and 120lbs, at 15% bodyfat.
she weight trains 3 days a week, and does 30 minutes of cardio 4 times a week, along with a body pump class once a week.
her diet could use some improvement, its clean for the most part, but she only gets 3 meals a day in.