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my 2nd cycle , are this gains good? what to expect?

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Hi guys! the following is my 2nd cycle:
1-3 dbol 30mg/day
4-6 dbol 40mg/day
1-20 250mg/w test-c
11-20 tren-a 350mg/w

OK i know the cycle is not perfect and too long but i have my reason for that, and i'll not change my plan. Said that i'm at end of week 5 ( mon will be start of week 6, so last week of dbol) and i have gained 7 lbs . I think the test didnt kick in cus i dont really feel it ...Do you guys think that 7lbs are good gains or not? and how much gains can i expect on average? with a normocaloric diet for a clean bulk and recomp with tren
 
I personally wouldn't run a cycle any longer then 16 weeks but if you are adamant on a 20 week cycle, that's up to you. I have 3 major tips for your cycle.

1. You need to be using an AI with your cycle to keep estrogen in the low-normal range. The best AI is aromasin because it is a suicide AI and there will be no estrogen rebound when you discontinue usage. 10mg EOD is a good dosage.

2. You want to be using an anti-prolactin drug whenever using a nandrolone (deca, tren, npp) to prevent prolactin related side effects. Cabergoline at 0.5mg E3D is a good dosage.

3. Cardarine gw is a great addition to any tren cycle to increase fat loss and reduce tren related side effects. Cardarine (GW-501516) - the best GW-50 - Evolutionary.org

I also would add a good liver aid supplement to weeks 1-6, such as N2guard from n2bm.com, because dbol is a liver toxic oral steroid.
 
muskate said:
I personally wouldn't run a cycle any longer then 16 weeks but if you are adamant on a 20 week cycle, that's up to you. I have 3 major tips for your cycle.

1. You need to be using an AI with your cycle to keep estrogen in the low-normal range. The best AI is aromasin because it is a suicide AI and there will be no estrogen rebound when you discontinue usage. 10mg EOD is a good dosage.

2. You want to be using an anti-prolactin drug whenever using a nandrolone (deca, tren, npp) to prevent prolactin related side effects. Cabergoline at 0.5mg E3D is a good dosage.

3. Cardarine gw is a great addition to any tren cycle to increase fat loss and reduce tren related side effects. Cardarine (GW-501516) - the best GW-50 - Evolutionary.org

I also would add a good liver aid supplement to weeks 1-6, such as N2guard from n2bm.com, because dbol is a liver toxic oral steroid.
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Man I want to try caradine gw so bad.. Is it that good? I've heard mixed reviews on it..
 
So your coming from 153?.. At 11% body fat 7 lbs isn't to bad.. If I were you I would up those doses. Up the test to 500 ew and up the dbol to at least 50mg Ed with doses spread out every 5 hours to keep bloods stable.. If you did this you would be seeing much better gains.. 250 a week of test isn't really shit imo I take 200 a week from my doctor to put my levels in the normal range for my age. So 250 a week will probably have your peak test levels at around 1500 if it's good test. And peak is only for a few days after injection then it starts to slowly drop. But if you want to keep riding it out and see go for it. I just figure if your going to run a cycle might as well do low end of regular doses which would be around 4-500 a week of test and 50mg of dbol. Just my 2 dimes take it or leave it.
 
I don't like these types of questions because they are very individual. on tren you can easily gain a shit ton of mass and strength. the idea though behind this game is to keep your gains after too. tren is notorious for being awful when it comes to retaining your gains cause they are fast gains and tren works its magic via nutrition partitioning better then any other AAS.

maybe you won't like what I have to say but its the honest truth. I would tell you with your stats you listed you have a good 20-30 pounds to gain from here, but it will take time. you started out at only 153 pounds at 11% body fat. at your height do the math, you are not holding very much muscle on your frame compared to other lifters. so what I am saying is you have a lot of room to grow from here, just make sure you do it the right way and not sloppy.. this is going to be a marathon and not a sprint. how old are you ? if you are young then you really did not need to hop on steroids yet, you had plenty of natural gains.. like TRTnewbie said above. he is your height and clocks in at 215 lean. he is 60 pounds more then you so you can't tell me you couldn't atleast gain half of that naturally
 
i agree 100% with you guys , and yes trt newbie( for the test) but unfortunatly i dont have a lot of money... and yes i'm too young for steroid, this summer i'll turn 20 , but i'm an asshole and when i want something , no matter if it is good or bad , i'll do it
 
If your going to do steroids next time save up enough money to get a proper cycle this isn't something to half ass. I'm broke too and I'll start gathering up stuff for my cycle months in advance that way you have everything you need
 
Well im 17 5,9 81kg all natural not even protein but i want to start taking some protein creatine not sute of my body fat but for first cycle would any of ur recommend anything deca or smth?
 
17?? Lol bro.. Get you ass in the gym everyday absolutely killing it. Get yourself some bomb ass preworkout and big ol tub of protein and grind bro the only thing your going to do with trying to cycle that early is fuck with your natural hormones.. Do you want to have to shoot yourself in the ass with a needle once a week for the rest of your life because you wanted to do a steroid cycle and probably end up falling off the fitness life then you fucked up your body for the rest of your life for what to try and look better a little quicker. It's not worth it bro. Don't touch steroids till you train consistently for 3+ years and reach your natural limit.
 
Thanks man i wasent planing to do one for bow anyway just wondering whats the best to start with and im planing to stay nati for ever
 
That doesn't make any sense. Why would you want to know what steroid you should take but you plan on staying natty forever? TROLL
 
trt newbie said:
That doesn't make any sense. Why would you want to know what steroid you should take but you plan on staying natty forever? TROLL
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Well i have friends that want to start taking gear and thats the reason im asking sorry for making you think im a troll.
 
trt are you sure that with 250mg test the peak is 1500? i read that it would be 2500.
And then logically speaking if a man in medium-high range of test produces 70mg a week , how 250 could just be a bit over the normal range?
 
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I take 200 a week from the doctor I went in a few days later to get tested and was at 1400.. And that's pharm grad test.. I'm guessing your test is ugl test which is most likely under dosed. And when your adding synthetic test into your body it's going to make your body stop producing a lot of its own
 
trt newbie said:
17?? Lol bro.. Get you ass in the gym everyday absolutely killing it. Get yourself some bomb ass preworkout and big ol tub of protein and grind bro the only thing your going to do with trying to cycle that early is fuck with your natural hormones.. Do you want to have to shoot yourself in the ass with a needle once a week for the rest of your life because you wanted to do a steroid cycle and probably end up falling off the fitness life then you fucked up your body for the rest of your life for what to try and look better a little quicker. It's not worth it bro. Don't touch steroids till you train consistently for 3+ years and reach your natural limit.
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Read this until it sinks in, you're 17 your body is just starting to produce lots of test naturally adding anything now will shut that down, i suggest you use this to your advantage Train your butt off, Eat ,rest ..repeat....remember a good foundation is what it's all about, Rome wasn't built on a foundation of toothpicks.
 
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