my 2nd cycle , are this gains good? what to expect?

[oxezo]

Hi guys! the following is my 2nd cycle:
1-3 dbol 30mg/day
4-6 dbol 40mg/day
1-20 250mg/w test-c
11-20 tren-a 350mg/w

OK i know the cycle is not perfect and too long but i have my reason for that, and i'll not change my plan. Said that i'm at end of week 5 ( mon will be start of week 6, so last week of dbol) and i have gained 7 lbs . I think the test didnt kick in cus i dont really feel it ...Do you guys think that 7lbs are good gains or not? and how much gains can i expect on average? with a normocaloric diet for a clean bulk and recomp with tren

 

[muskate]

I personally wouldn't run a cycle any longer then 16 weeks but if you are adamant on a 20 week cycle, that's up to you. I have 3 major tips for your cycle.

1. You need to be using an AI with your cycle to keep estrogen in the low-normal range. The best AI is aromasin because it is a suicide AI and there will be no estrogen rebound when you discontinue usage. 10mg EOD is a good dosage.

2. You want to be using an anti-prolactin drug whenever using a nandrolone (deca, tren, npp) to prevent prolactin related side effects. Cabergoline at 0.5mg E3D is a good dosage.

3. Cardarine gw is a great addition to any tren cycle to increase fat loss and reduce tren related side effects. Cardarine (GW-501516) - the best GW-50 - Evolutionary.org

I also would add a good liver aid supplement to weeks 1-6, such as N2guard from n2bm.com, because dbol is a liver toxic oral steroid.

 

[trt newbie]

I personally wouldn't run a cycle any longer then 16 weeks but if you are adamant on a 20 week cycle, that's up to you. I have 3 major tips for your cycle.

1. You need to be using an AI with your cycle to keep estrogen in the low-normal range. The best AI is aromasin because it is a suicide AI and there will be no estrogen rebound when you discontinue usage. 10mg EOD is a good dosage.

2. You want to be using an anti-prolactin drug whenever using a nandrolone (deca, tren, npp) to prevent prolactin related side effects. Cabergoline at 0.5mg E3D is a good dosage.

3. Cardarine gw is a great addition to any tren cycle to increase fat loss and reduce tren related side effects. Cardarine (GW-501516) - the best GW-50 - Evolutionary.org

I also would add a good liver aid supplement to weeks 1-6, such as N2guard from n2bm.com, because dbol is a liver toxic oral steroid.

Man I want to try caradine gw so bad.. Is it that good? I've heard mixed reviews on it..

 

[oxezo]

i have them... the question of the thread was not that...

 

[trt newbie]

7 lbs isn't bad at all.. What's your height, weight and body fat as of now?

 

[oxezo]

160lbs 5'9" 11%

 

[trt newbie]

So your coming from 153?.. At 11% body fat 7 lbs isn't to bad.. If I were you I would up those doses. Up the test to 500 ew and up the dbol to at least 50mg Ed with doses spread out every 5 hours to keep bloods stable.. If you did this you would be seeing much better gains.. 250 a week of test isn't really shit imo I take 200 a week from my doctor to put my levels in the normal range for my age. So 250 a week will probably have your peak test levels at around 1500 if it's good test. And peak is only for a few days after injection then it starts to slowly drop. But if you want to keep riding it out and see go for it. I just figure if your going to run a cycle might as well do low end of regular doses which would be around 4-500 a week of test and 50mg of dbol. Just my 2 dimes take it or leave it.

 

[trt newbie]

I'm 5'9" as well but I'm walking around at 215-218 12-14% body fat I fluctuate a lot depending on my diet.

 

[stevesmi]

I don't like these types of questions because they are very individual. on tren you can easily gain a shit ton of mass and strength. the idea though behind this game is to keep your gains after too. tren is notorious for being awful when it comes to retaining your gains cause they are fast gains and tren works its magic via nutrition partitioning better then any other AAS.

maybe you won't like what I have to say but its the honest truth. I would tell you with your stats you listed you have a good 20-30 pounds to gain from here, but it will take time. you started out at only 153 pounds at 11% body fat. at your height do the math, you are not holding very much muscle on your frame compared to other lifters. so what I am saying is you have a lot of room to grow from here, just make sure you do it the right way and not sloppy.. this is going to be a marathon and not a sprint. how old are you ? if you are young then you really did not need to hop on steroids yet, you had plenty of natural gains.. like TRTnewbie said above. he is your height and clocks in at 215 lean. he is 60 pounds more then you so you can't tell me you couldn't atleast gain half of that naturally

 

[oxezo]

i agree 100% with you guys , and yes trt newbie( for the test) but unfortunatly i dont have a lot of money... and yes i'm too young for steroid, this summer i'll turn 20 , but i'm an asshole and when i want something , no matter if it is good or bad , i'll do it