Muslim Woman sues Abercrombie

[75th]

Really? Obv youve never worked retail, bc I've worked in several retail stock rooms. At some I never saw customers at all. At others, I'd go out maybe twice a day to restock clothes. MAYBE 10 minutes. Stock rooms aren't in customer views in retail and they aren't at Abercrombie.

She likely wasn't seen at all, and if she was maybe for minutes out of all the time she worked there. So I find it pretty difficult to believe Abercrombie will possibly be able to make a proven argument that she affected business, meaning what they did was unlawful.

Yes I have worked retail. At a few places. Both in customer service and in the back. Same as at restaurants. I was always required to be well groomed and to abide by the company's image standards.

That "MAYBE 10 minutes" makes Abercrombie's case, just FYI.

 

[75th]

Aside from that, they allowed her to wear it for four months.

Indeed, but then upper management put the kibosh on it. Not saying it doesnt suck - I'm just saying they didnt break the law.

 

[nefertiti]

I need to land an NFL job then complain that my religion prevents me from engaging in violence on Sundays.

I'll sue and make a billion dollars. Religious freedom FTMFW!

If you got the job and told them that your religion prevented you from engaging in violence on sundays when you were hired, and they hired you anyway, only to fire you for it later, you'd have a case. AGAIN, I say, who's fault is it when a company hires someone they know right away cannot or will not comply with employment regulations? Not hers, she didn't lie about anything.

You two seem to be forgetting that she was hired with the headscarf, was told she could wear it if it was in company colors, and then four months later was fired for it. It's not like she got hired in secular dress and the headscarf thing came up later.

 

[AFeedz]

Yes I have worked retail. At a few places. Both in customer service and in the back. Same as at restaurants. I was always required to be well groomed and to abide by the company's image standards.

That "MAYBE 10 minutes" makes Abercrombie's case, just FYI.

I had to abide by the dress code too, but that doesn't matter. Whether customers saw it and it altered their purchasing decisions matters.

So yeah maybe that 10 minutes could make their case, but you said that'd be easy. I say, good fucking luck proving that any loss of sales occured during that exact 10 minutes. Abercrombie would have to prove that any lost sales happened during the few and far between moments this girl was on the floor, which a. I doubt happened at all and b. Good luck proving if it did.

 

[nefertiti]

Indeed, but then upper management put the kibosh on it. Not saying it doesnt suck - I'm just saying they didnt break the law.

And I'm not saying they don't have a right to deny someone who doesn't fit their image. I'm saying it's sloppy to make a point after the fact and they brought this on themselves. Once it was done, they would have been better off letting it be and they should have known it would do more harm than good from a PR standpoint to fire her.

 

[75th]

And I'm not saying they don't have a right to deny someone who doesn't fit their image. I'm saying it's sloppy to make a point after the fact and they brought this on themselves. Once it was done, they would have been better off letting it be and they should have known it would do more harm than good from a PR standpoint to fire her.

I agree, but my point was to folks like Alc - who have absolutely no understanding of US law - trying to say that what AF did was illegal.

Its not.

 

[mrplunkey]

If you got the job and told them that your religion prevented you from engaging in violence on sundays when you were hired, and they hired you anyway, only to fire you for it later, you'd have a case. AGAIN, I say, who's fault is it when a company hires someone they know right away cannot or will not comply with employment regulations? Not hers, she didn't lie about anything.

You two seem to be forgetting that she was hired with the headscarf, was told she could wear it if it was in company colors, and then four months later was fired for it. It's not like she got hired in secular dress and the headscarf thing came up later.

The decisions of front-line employees and middle managers get over-ridden by their managers every day.

A reversed decision made at a lower level doesn't bind the company. If that were the case, you'd be able to sue your supervisor every time they changed your work schedule.

 

[AFeedz]

I agree, but my point was to folks like Alc - who have absolutely no understanding of US law - trying to say that what AF did was illegal.

Its not.

Unless they can prove they lost business because of her, it is against the law.

 

[75th]

Unless they can prove they lost business because of her, it is against the law.

Jesus.

 

[nefertiti]

The decisions of front-line employees and middle managers get over-ridden by their managers every day.

A reversed decision made at a lower level doesn't bind the company. If that were the case, you'd be able to sue your supervisor every time they changed your work schedule.

Not disagreeing here....see my above post about how my main point in this argument is this was a stupid thing for them to make a point over and they should have known it would turn into a shit storm. I hardly think her once and a while presence on the floor in secular clothes and a headscarf did them as much image harm as the fuss over her firing has.