Moving from short ester to a long ester tren + test prop

[pharma87]

Hi Guys

This is my first post and my spelling isn't to good so sorry for that.
So far I have done 2 courses
test e + dbol
test e + winny
Im 6ft
23 yrs
90kgs
and about 22 body fat
I train allot and also have a trainer and do about two hours a day having 1 to 2 days rest per week

The course I have already started is Tren and Test Prop and finishing with anavar and t3 as follows I am currently 1 week into this course and as I started training a month or so before Im in a really good shape, probably best shape for a long time and my strength is really improving.

cost isn't an issue as I live in Thailand and all this stuff is peanuts over here.

1 100mgs/EOD (test prop) . 75mgs/EOD (Tren) t3
2 100mgs/EOD 75mgs/EOD t3
3 100mgs/EOD 75mgs/EOD t3
4 100mgs/EOD 75mgs/EOD t3
5 100mgs/EOD 75mgs/EOD t3
6 100mgs/EOD 75mgs/EOD t3
7 100mgs/EOD 75mgs/EOD
8 100mgs/EOD 75mgs/EOD
9 100mgs/EOD 75mgs/EOD 50mgs/day (Anavar)
10 100mgs/EOD 75mgs/EOD 50mgs/day
11 100mgs/EOD 75mgs/EOD 50mgs/day
12 100mgs/EOD 75mgs/EOD 50mgs/day

The t3 I am tapering up and down as needed 25mg for 5 days then up the dosage till I get to 100 then back down again

The problem I have right now is my ass hurts so bad from the injections. Don't get me wrong its not the worst pain just its pretty annoying certainly not the kind of pain I have had from anything else I have injected. I was thinking of upping my dose to ed rater that eod as I don't really have any sides.

I have had bad ache from my last courses and started to get it on this course too straight away I think just my body getting used to the drugs but I took 1, 20mg acutane a day and the acne has just about gone which is amazing as Ive only used it for about 1 week. I'm going to try arimidex to see if the acne is from estrogen from the test as now its gone while im on the steroids acne is never usually an issue + the acutane is cheaper than 2 packs of fags. anyway as my ass is hurting so much I can only imagine what ed will do and personally I dont want to be injecting my arms and legs etc because they will start to hurt to.

I have researched that its the proprionate which is the ass killer. I have bought test e and as that's a long lasting ester I want to know how I should take this to come off of the proprionate.

I also have arimidex which I will be taking when I up the test usage and nova on hand and the rest of the usual crap, liver supplements, vitamins protein etc

Questions
how much arimidex to take and how frequent?

how much test e to take and how to keep my blood levels equal as im currently on proprionate to eventually come off the proprionate

I was thinking the same for the tren ace to tren e what would be a good way to swap over

hcg I don't have this yet but the more I read the more I think it would be a good add on at the end or mid cycle last thing I want is my johnson not working certainly with all this thai tottie arround. also any advise on what pct I might need

I also bought inject able vitamin b1, b6 b12 in the same vial. How often should I inject this. Ive never had a blend of three I think last time I had them it was vb12

As I am doing anavar at the end of my cycle could I run a course at the start to I was thinking winstrol tabs

please advise me if you have the time

Many Thanks

G

 

[RADAR]

Start running the test enanthate and the tren Enanthate You can put in the same syringe and shoot twice a week,keep running the prop for 4 weeks until the enanthate ester kicks in as the weeks progress start lowering the prop dosage 2 weeks before stopping to keep levels even as the enanthate ester starts up,you will have some fluctuating hormone levels switching ,theres no two ways about it,just keep a close eye on any sides that might pop up.Finish the Var at the end ,the length depends upon how many you have,then after that you can start up PCT.

 

[EZ_E]

You started training a moth before starting this cycle? How long were you not training?

23 years old, already on your 3rd cycle and over 20% bodyfat @ your height?

Why didn't you ask these questions before you started?

Why did you start ANY cycle with no PCT?

~EZ

 

[RADAR]

You started training a moth before starting this cycle? How long were you not training?

23 years old, already on your 3rd cycle and over 20% bodyfat @ your height?

Why didn't you ask these questions before you started?

Why did you start ANY cycle with no PCT?

~EZ

Holy Crap! I didn't even see that, Dude! you're not even close to being a candidate for steroids,you don't even have a foundation,It take a good 5 yrs of hardcore training to develop a solid foundation.

 

[pharma87]

HI

Well I did the cycles a few years back and I was training for a long time and in very good shape. I always have a personal trainer just to make sure I go. I decided to move away to Thailand and I needed a bit of money behind me and as I was used to training every day and eating allot I quickly gained weight I put on a lot of body fat in 6 months of basically doing nothing. then I hit Thailand and beer was my new best friend. which just added to the problem.

Basically Ive decided to get back on track. 20% body fat is just a guess but I have a belly so its an educated one.

I have another question.

Say I was to drop the proprionate altogether would proviron be good enough to keep my thing functioning properly? I hate this compound and it hurts I did my thigh yesterday and its painful.

Also If I do drop it what about uping my tren to ed injections so I have more of that hormone in my body

Please advise

 

[EZ_E]

You're not getting it, YOU SHOULDN'T BE USING AAS...and the question about dropping test and running tren alone shows that you really have no education on this game...

Stop the gear and start PCT immediately...

~EZ

 

[clozto50]

He isnt going to listen!

 

[pharma87]

I know my question sounds stupid which is why I originally posted changing to a longer ester.

I have done so much research its a joke and I do belive I am fairly well educated, appart from my question before but I have a reason for it.

Personally I dont think I should stop as the weight is dropping off me so fast, I feel better than before and in such a short space of time my physique is really good. also I have alot of focus and doing this it helps me not to drink.

If I started this with out test and run proviron then that should have been ok. I know everyone says run test with any cycle and as I have always done that I did this this cycle. just the prop injections are sore and being a short ester my eod injections just starting to annoy me.

The course I am currently running I think is perfect appart from I dont run the tren ed. I dont have any sides appart from some nights sweats.

I didnt come on here to get flamed. I have a valid question and I just wanted it answering as I couldnt find a similar post.

anyway Ill send a photo when I can

 

[EZ_E]

I know my question sounds stupid which is why I originally posted changing to a longer ester.

I have done so much research its a joke and I do belive I am fairly well educated, appart from my question before but I have a reason for it.

Personally I dont think I should stop as the weight is dropping off me so fast, I feel better than before and in such a short space of time my physique is really good. also I have alot of focus and doing this it helps me not to drink.

If I started this with out test and run proviron then that should have been ok. I know everyone says run test with any cycle and as I have always done that I did this this cycle. just the prop injections are sore and being a short ester my eod injections just starting to annoy me.

The course I am currently running I think is perfect appart from I dont run the tren ed. I dont have any sides appart from some nights sweats.

I didnt come on here to get flamed. I have a valid question and I just wanted it answering as I couldnt find a similar post.

anyway Ill send a photo when I can

There aren't any stupid questions, that's how you learn...

You haven't done enough research, that's not to be mean it's just the truth. Like when people say to me "EZ, you have a big nose." it's not mean, it's just the truth, I have a big, ginzo nose...and Steriods 101 says you train and diet HARDCORE till you stop making progress...You don't just pick up a needle....

You may not think you should stop but you should. Again, that's not what you wanna hear but that's how it is....and you're annoyed @ injecting?

You asked your questions and got your answers, yet you don't wanna accept the right answer. That's fine, but that is the right answer and right course of action...

You have a couple choices here, you can keep giving the pushback and soon this thread will be closed, then you'll have established a rep and no one will wanna help you (maybe leading to a ban)OR you can be the bigger man, admit that you were wrong, stick around here and learn from the best in the business...I've been here since 1997, have a sister who is the Queen of diet/training and STILL learn every day...


~EZ

 

[RADAR]

There aren't any stupid questions, that's how you learn...

You haven't done enough research, that's not to be mean it's just the truth. Like when people say to me "EZ, you have a big nose." it's not mean, it's just the truth, I have a big, ginzo nose...and Steriods 101 says you train and diet HARDCORE till you stop making progress...You don't just pick up a needle....

You may not think you should stop but you should. Again, that's not what you wanna hear but that's how it is....and you're annoyed @ injecting?

You asked your questions and got your answers, yet you don't wanna accept the right answer. That's fine, but that is the right answer and right course of action...

You have a couple choices here, you can keep giving the pushback and soon this thread will be closed, then you'll have established a rep and no one will wanna help you (maybe leading to a ban)OR you can be the bigger man, admit that you were wrong, stick around here and learn from the best in the business...I've been here since 1997, have a sister who is the Queen of diet/training and STILL learn every day...


~EZ

well theres your answer,take it with a grain of salt.

 

[rambo9531]

Sometimes all these guys like to do is give newcomers and the young ones a hard time. It's true you gotta do your research but guess what: a lot of good info comes from these threads, from guys that talk from experience and tell you about the new products they tried, the pros and cons, the sides they experienced, so on and so forth. Let me put it this way, you won't find too many books on Tren PCT in Barnes and Noble and when you do it's from ten years ago. Half of these threads that provide good information are ball busting threads that start out like yours and some guys with too much testosterone starts busting your balls and telling you to go train for 5 more years before you take Tren. Guess what: my first cycle was a Tren cycle. I worked out like crazy, ate well, and rested well...all the things that I used to do before my first cycle. But it was the Tren that transformed me!! Conclusion: read up and do your research but do post your questions and hopefully next time you'll find someone who will answer your questions in an attempt to inform you and share his knowledge and personal experience. Hell, that's what these threads are for!!!

 

[dylangemelli]

Sometimes all these guys like to do is give newcomers and the young ones a hard time. It's true you gotta do your research but guess what: a lot of good info comes from these threads, from guys that talk from experience and tell you about the new products they tried, the pros and cons, the sides they experienced, so on and so forth. Let me put it this way, you won't find too many books on Tren PCT in Barnes and Noble and when you do it's from ten years ago. Half of these threads that provide good information are ball busting threads that start out like yours and some guys with too much testosterone starts busting your balls and telling you to go train for 5 more years before you take Tren. Guess what: my first cycle was a Tren cycle. I worked out like crazy, ate well, and rested well...all the things that I used to do before my first cycle. But it was the Tren that transformed me!! Conclusion: read up and do your research but do post your questions and hopefully next time you'll find someone who will answer your questions in an attempt to inform you and share his knowledge and personal experience. Hell, that's what these threads are for!!!

actually your wrong. way fucking wrong... its not about giving newcomers a hard time or young guys... thats not it at all... the problem is when people don't get the answers they WANT to hear... if you come in and ask a question and then get the truth, well that's what you are after... Noone is trying to give this guy a hard time at all... The point is this... WE ACTUALLY GIVE A FUCK ABOUT PEOPLE'S WELL BEING, so encouraging someone in his situation to continue with steroids is NOT GOOD ADVICE... its not about being mean or giving someone a hard time... the only thing you said that's right is that these threads are here to help people learn... questions SHOULD be asked, but NOT MIDWAY THROUGH A CYCYLE or asking what to run for PCT when your cycle is a week over or shit like that... that's when people get a hard fucking time... THE GUYS HERE ACTUALLY CARE... sometimes we may be a bit hard on people but we are trying to HELP AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN... do you realize how many people are helped on a daily basis on this board? SO MANY! I get pm's all the time thanking me for helping and so do many others here and thats what were here for! I know myself, that I give damn near all my free time to helping as many people as you can... so you need to really watch what your saying about people here just wanting to give a hard time man because thats a bunch of bs... We are here to help!

 

[BlueJayMuscle]

actually your wrong. way fucking wrong... its not about giving newcomers a hard time or young guys... thats not it at all... the problem is when people don't get the answers they WANT to hear... if you come in and ask a question and then get the truth, well that's what you are after... Noone is trying to give this guy a hard time at all... The point is this... WE ACTUALLY GIVE A FUCK ABOUT PEOPLE'S WELL BEING, so encouraging someone in his situation to continue with steroids is NOT GOOD ADVICE... its not about being mean or giving someone a hard time... the only thing you said that's right is that these threads are here to help people learn... questions SHOULD be asked, but NOT MIDWAY THROUGH A CYCYLE or asking what to run for PCT when your cycle is a week over or shit like that... that's when people get a hard fucking time... THE GUYS HERE ACTUALLY CARE... sometimes we may be a bit hard on people but we are trying to HELP AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN... do you realize how many people are helped on a daily basis on this board? SO MANY! I get pm's all the time thanking me for helping and so do many others here and thats what were here for! I know myself, that I give damn near all my free time to helping as many people as you can... so you need to really watch what your saying about people here just wanting to give a hard time man because thats a bunch of bs... We are here to help!

I agree with this. My advice to OP is stop pinning and start PCT. prolactin and estrogen are probably high. Personally I'd recommend waiting a couple days after stopping injections then get Black Lion Research Acnedren (If you still have acne issues) at 3 caps/day. Prolactrone at 3 caps/day and Formeron for 2 pumps/day.

And Clomid at 50mg for 4 weeks and you should then be in good shape and ready to train hard and research for a future cycle.

Good luck and safe pinning.

Ps. I'm a newcomer here but not to the game or muscle boards.

 

[rambo9531]

dylangemelli: I realize it wasn't your post but since you're commenting I will follow up. A few things: First of all, did you read EZ E's comments? He is the one I'm criticizing. I don't have a problem with someone who tells you the truth even if the truth is difficult to hear. That's not being mean, at least not in the context of this discussion. EZ E is not being mean, he's being an asshole threatening the guy that he's gonna get banned from the site unless he admits that he's wrong and ends his cycle. Somebody needs to ban his ass from this site...I don't give a fuck how much he knows about juice or how long he's been around. An asshole is an asshole. Personally, I would have told him to go fuck himself but the poor kid left the thread without standing up for himself. Probably did the right thing and I'm the one wasting my time here. You say you wanna help people? Do you think EZ E helped this guy? Or do you think he pushed him away by being an ass? I doubt the guy was going to stop juicing in the middle of his cycle so I think effective advice and HELPING the guy would have been to answer his questions and then NICELY tell him that he should have asked these questions before he started the cycle, etc. That way the guy would have had some respect for EZ E and maybe he would have actually taken his advice. That's my two cents and I'm gonna leave it at that.

 

[joeblow12345]

HI

Well I did the cycles a few years back and I was training for a long time and in very good shape. I always have a personal trainer just to make sure I go. I decided to move away to Thailand and I needed a bit of money behind me and as I was used to training every day and eating allot I quickly gained weight I put on a lot of body fat in 6 months of basically doing nothing. then I hit Thailand and beer was my new best friend. which just added to the problem.

Basically Ive decided to get back on track. 20% body fat is just a guess but I have a belly so its an educated one.

I have another question.

Say I was to drop the proprionate altogether would proviron be good enough to keep my thing functioning properly? I hate this compound and it hurts I did my thigh yesterday and its painful.

Also If I do drop it what about uping my tren to ed injections so I have more of that hormone in my body

Please advise

Im going to say this in the nicest way I can. Even though you have done and are currently using aas, you should not be. Your an amature,and steroids are for experienced atheletes looking to push themselves beyond their physical limitations. You have yet to reach anywhere near your natural limits and need to spend a few years growing on food. If you would have done more research you would know it wasnt a good idea to use in yoir current state. With that being said, its your life and your decision to make. Good luck.

Sent from my SPH-D710 using EliteFitness

 

[dylangemelli]

dylangemelli: I realize it wasn't your post but since you're commenting I will follow up. A few things: First of all, did you read EZ E's comments? He is the one I'm criticizing. I don't have a problem with someone who tells you the truth even if the truth is difficult to hear. That's not being mean, at least not in the context of this discussion. EZ E is not being mean, he's being an asshole threatening the guy that he's gonna get banned from the site unless he admits that he's wrong and ends his cycle. Somebody needs to ban his ass from this site...I don't give a fuck how much he knows about juice or how long he's been around. An asshole is an asshole. Personally, I would have told him to go fuck himself but the poor kid left the thread without standing up for himself. Probably did the right thing and I'm the one wasting my time here. You say you wanna help people? Do you think EZ E helped this guy? Or do you think he pushed him away by being an ass? I doubt the guy was going to stop juicing in the middle of his cycle so I think effective advice and HELPING the guy would have been to answer his questions and then NICELY tell him that he should have asked these questions before he started the cycle, etc. That way the guy would have had some respect for EZ E and maybe he would have actually taken his advice. That's my two cents and I'm gonna leave it at that.

when you make reference to "these guys" then there's an inference there that is not going to sit well with someone like me... if you wanted to point out something someone in particular did that you didn't like, then you needed to say it that way and you would not have gotten the response you got from me... that's my problem... im not sure how long you have been around the board, but you only have two postings so that leads me to believe you havent been around long... if you have then im wrong but i took it as a general shot and that's why you got the response you did... sorry for the confusion... please just clarify next time...

 

[EZ_E]

dylangemelli: I realize it wasn't your post but since you're commenting I will follow up. A few things: First of all, did you read EZ E's comments? He is the one I'm criticizing. I don't have a problem with someone who tells you the truth even if the truth is difficult to hear. That's not being mean, at least not in the context of this discussion. EZ E is not being mean, he's being an asshole threatening the guy that he's gonna get banned from the site unless he admits that he's wrong and ends his cycle. Somebody needs to ban his ass from this site...I don't give a fuck how much he knows about juice or how long he's been around. An asshole is an asshole. Personally, I would have told him to go fuck himself but the poor kid left the thread without standing up for himself. Probably did the right thing and I'm the one wasting my time here. You say you wanna help people? Do you think EZ E helped this guy? Or do you think he pushed him away by being an ass? I doubt the guy was going to stop juicing in the middle of his cycle so I think effective advice and HELPING the guy would have been to answer his questions and then NICELY tell him that he should have asked these questions before he started the cycle, etc. That way the guy would have had some respect for EZ E and maybe he would have actually taken his advice. That's my two cents and I'm gonna leave it at that.

I'm beim an asshole for saving the guy years of health problems?

Try going back and reading what I wrote

~EZ