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[gotmojo]

Not that I'm aware of.

Gluc-R (R-ALA) slows insulin response to carbs.

Thermorexin' is a fat burner with stimulants in it coffee:, ect.)

I did a search for it and saw this in a FAQ for T-Rex....

"What kind of diet should I use when on Thermorexin?
ANY. Though a moderate to high carbohydrate diet, in conjunction with Glucorell R supplementation, is HIGHLY recommended. Glucorell R has made low carb and keto diets pretty much obsolete. One of the main benefits of Thermorexin use is the appetite suppression which makes not eating as much, the main failing of most diets, considerably easier."

Maybe not the same as you are speaking of....all though I also found this....

Glucorell R™ contains the most exciting supplement ever allowed into the United States. It's been used in Germany as a glucose uptake enhancer to help prevent and treat diabetes for over 20 years. Now you can use it to help you prevent carbohydrates from making you fat by disposing of them like you did when you were a child. Only doctors doing research were able to buy this supplement. Until now.

Glucose is what your body makes out of the carbohydrates you eat. Then your insulin shuttles that glucose around your body to the cells to use as food. Glucorell R™ makes your muscle cells accept several times more glucose than you do now. By causing the muscle cells to take up so much more glucose you are preventing it from going to the fat cells. That way you are helping to make your muscles stronger while preventing all that glucose from going to your fat cells. When your fat cells get the glucose it makes you fat and over time may eventually cause insulin resistance, leading to adult onset diabetes.

"Glucorell R™, taken before carb meals, insures those carbs are disposed of properly into your muscles helping you to maintain healthy low insulin levels, which is a powerful aid in preventing you from getting fat or insulin resistant."

 

[gotmojo]

Well, it looks like what this is boiling down to is figuring out what the daily intake should be to get started with....

Any direction on this?

 

[zaxxon1982]

Well, it looks like what this is boiling down to is figuring out what the daily intake should be to get started with....

Any direction on this?

Pintoca wrote a weight loss guide with calculators and calorie budgets ( http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406047 ) that should work for your bro. It's pretty hardcore but totally doable. And it's certainly more reasonable than starving himself until his metabolism grinds to a halt. The program will set up the calorie levels for you based on his weight, bf, and level of activity.

Pintoca's program lays out training as well as diet. I suspect that it is more training than you will be able to convince your bro to do, but maybe not. At any rate, you will need to ascertain your bro's amount of time that is either free or could be redirected to training. He's got a blue collar job which means he probably works (and needs) overtime. I hate to say this, but most likely he will have to cut down on the amount of time spent with his band, and this could be a big problem. You may just have to get him to understand that you are on his side and that at this point in his life he has to choose between his band and his health.

I also want to make a note about supps. I love the AF store supps mentioned above and use Glucorell-R, Sesapure, and PureCEE right now. I have 360 caps of Thermorexin sitting on my shelf that I will consume during my next cut. AF store has fair prices for the results they deliver, but if you start layering together a bunch of supplements the cost can really go up fast. Sesapure for a guy that size is 29 bucks for a 20 day supply (6 a day). That's $1.45/day. TRex is $50 for a 30-day supply. $1.66/day. Glucorell-R is a pill per 30g of carbs. At 3,000 cals/day he's probably eating about 250g of carbs, so that's about 8 pills, meaning a 240-count Glucorell-R is good for 30 days. Another $1.40 per day. So to stack those 3 would cost about $4.50 per day, or about $140 per month. I use all those supps and have seen great results so I'm not commenting on whether they are good values or not. I'm just saying that if you put him on supps that cost $140 per month, now he has a monetary incentive to quit the program so he can stop paying all that $$$. How powerful that incentive is will be a function of his wealth in general, and I have no idea about that.

Having said all that, for some people spending a lot of money on something can increase their commitment to it, so that may work here. You know your bro best and should be able to judge whether the expenditure will make him want to quit to save the cash or make him work hard so the cash he's already spent doesn't go for naught.

 

[gotmojo]

Pintoca wrote a weight loss guide with calculators and calorie budgets ( http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406047 ) that should work for your bro. It's pretty hardcore but totally doable. And it's certainly more reasonable than starving himself until his metabolism grinds to a halt. The program will set up the calorie levels for you based on his weight, bf, and level of activity.

Pintoca's program lays out training as well as diet. I suspect that it is more training than you will be able to convince your bro to do, but maybe not. At any rate, you will need to ascertain your bro's amount of time that is either free or could be redirected to training. He's got a blue collar job which means he probably works (and needs) overtime. I hate to say this, but most likely he will have to cut down on the amount of time spent with his band, and this could be a big problem. You may just have to get him to understand that you are on his side and that at this point in his life he has to choose between his band and his health.

I also want to make a note about supps. I love the AF store supps mentioned above and use Glucorell-R, Sesapure, and PureCEE right now. I have 360 caps of Thermorexin sitting on my shelf that I will consume during my next cut. AF store has fair prices for the results they deliver, but if you start layering together a bunch of supplements the cost can really go up fast. Sesapure for a guy that size is 29 bucks for a 20 day supply (6 a day). That's $1.45/day. TRex is $50 for a 30-day supply. $1.66/day. Glucorell-R is a pill per 30g of carbs. At 3,000 cals/day he's probably eating about 250g of carbs, so that's about 8 pills, meaning a 240-count Glucorell-R is good for 30 days. Another $1.40 per day. So to stack those 3 would cost about $4.50 per day, or about $140 per month. I use all those supps and have seen great results so I'm not commenting on whether they are good values or not. I'm just saying that if you put him on supps that cost $140 per month, now he has a monetary incentive to quit the program so he can stop paying all that $$$. How powerful that incentive is will be a function of his wealth in general, and I have no idea about that.

Having said all that, for some people spending a lot of money on something can increase their commitment to it, so that may work here. You know your bro best and should be able to judge whether the expenditure will make him want to quit to save the cash or make him work hard so the cash he's already spent doesn't go for naught.

I appreciate the info. on the supps....I have been thinking about the $ aspect too, cuz he is a lot like me in the sense that it is almost impossible to walk away from an investment which that most certainly will be. It's tough for me because I have never had to go through this kinda thing the way he is, I actually have great genetics and it has always been somewhat easy for me to do even after an illness that I had. Although I did run into a prob. recently when I started to cut football weight and tried a calc. that actually caused more havoc than anything. I ultimately just had to go back to what I knew of my own body and all was well.

I am a fan of Pinto's guide. However, this is what started the confusion....I used his calc. and got a # for intake around 3,200 cals, then like a dumbass I tried another that gave me a # of over 4,000. The difference is so great it's confusing which way to go due to the fact that with his mental state I don't have much room to play with to experiment with the #'s cuz if he happens to gain weight all may be lost before I can readjust the cals. Also, how will such a drastic climb in cals. affect him, seeing as at this point he is only consuming approx. the 800 cals. per day right now.

Thanks everybody for the response....I expected more but maybe i'm just anxious to help him out.

MOJO

 

[zaxxon1982]

I appreciate the info. on the supps....I have been thinking about the $ aspect too, cuz he is a lot like me in the sense that it is almost impossible to walk away from an investment which that most certainly will be. It's tough for me because I have never had to go through this kinda thing the way he is, I actually have great genetics and it has always been somewhat easy for me to do even after an illness that I had. Although I did run into a prob. recently when I started to cut football weight and tried a calc. that actually caused more havoc than anything. I ultimately just had to go back to what I knew of my own body and all was well.

I am a fan of Pinto's guide. However, this is what started the confusion....I used his calc. and got a # for intake around 3,200 cals, then like a dumbass I tried another that gave me a # of over 4,000. The difference is so great it's confusing which way to go due to the fact that with his mental state I don't have much room to play with to experiment with the #'s cuz if he happens to gain weight all may be lost before I can readjust the cals. Also, how will such a drastic climb in cals. affect him, seeing as at this point he is only consuming approx. the 800 cals. per day right now.

Thanks everybody for the response....I expected more but maybe i'm just anxious to help him out.

MOJO

Go with the Pintoca numbers. A lot of guides and calculators will throw out numbers that are way too high. His is part of a proven program that Pintoca and many others here have used with success. Good luck.

 

[gotmojo]

Go with the Pintoca numbers. A lot of guides and calculators will throw out numbers that are way too high. His is part of a proven program that Pintoca and many others here have used with success. Good luck.

Thanks for the help bro!!!!

 

[Lifterforlife]

One thing to keep in mind, just as you decrease your calories gradually when dieting, so too must you increase gradually, as when you go that low in calories, your body will be primed for fat storage. If too rapid of an increase, this will just add to his woes, he will gain fat, and be even more against the diet issue and wanting to go with surgery.

 

[RBtrucking4]

I was 380 at one time myself i lost it all in about 8 months i am now down to 215 went the direction of one big meal a day witch entailed basically any kind of food i wanted exept fast food and it worked real well for a while but as i got thinner it stopped working i also lost a lot of muscle but i gained it back pretty quickly and now im stronger than ever. I definately know it can be done without surgery it just takes some motivation. I hope you and your friend the best of luck just tell your friend that the begining is the easy part well at least for me it was the weight came off like nothing. its when you get closer to your ideal weight is when it starts to get harder to lose anything now a days im lucky if i lose a pound a week. If i can do it your friend can do it i used to be the biggest fattest laziest thing you ever seen in your life. Good luck and god bless!

 

[gotmojo]

One thing to keep in mind, just as you decrease your calories gradually when dieting, so too must you increase gradually, as when you go that low in calories, your body will be primed for fat storage. If too rapid of an increase, this will just add to his woes, he will gain fat, and be even more against the diet issue and wanting to go with surgery.

Agreed....So with a metabolism that is just inching along i'm thinking 300 to 500 cal. increase per day each week from what he is consuming now. That should get him up to the proper #'s for daily intake relatively harmlessly.

Good bro stopped by the house last night and I got him to admit that he IS prepping his body for the surgery just as I thought. His Doc put him on the 800 per day to get his BMI down again just as I thought. So this is what I did.....I explained to him that he has a complex now because he is big (he has always been a big dood), But he will have more of a complex when his body dwindles down to that of a 14 yr old boy because he is so used to being "big" that would screw his head up even more and after the procedure there would be nuthin' he could really do about it. For the most part he would just be along for the ride (he agreed). But with a diff lifestyle he will build the muscle and tone under the fat so when it strips away he will be left with the body that he REALLY wants. I also told him that if he loses 100 lbs he would actually weigh 10 lbs less than I do right now. So I said to him "would you rather have the physique of a 14 yr old boy or mine." He said that a no brainer and picked the 14 yr old boy....just kidding, he understood what I was getting at and realized that he really isn't THAT far from what he really does want.

Ultimately I got him to accept what I was sellin' him and he agreed to get on board with it all! I did tell him that I would support whatever he decides but I would never agree that the surgery, without honestly trying the better alternative, is the right way to go. As a matter of fact I told him we could start it on May 1st and he said NO, demanding we start on Monday! So that is good. I think what got him was realizing that fact that he is only 100 lbs away from my size and the fact that I told him to look at it in the sense that he has to jump through all of these hoops for his Doc and a Psychologist for several months before the procedure can be scheduled anyway, so I said "let me get you ready for the procedure and if you are not satisfied, or don't think it is possible to do it this way then I will drive you to the hospital myself." I even showed this thread to him and he realized how strongly I felt about this!

Bottom line is that he agreed to it all and pushed any final decision off untill November, so that gives me 6 months to change his life!

So please keep the info. coming! Great stuff so far!!!!

Thanks again everybody!

MOJO

 

[Ulter]

Glucorell R is no longer in Thermorexin. It was just reformulated this week without it.

Your friend desperately needs the Glucorell/SesaPure combo. Given what you've posted I can't think of a better candidate. It will waste the excess calories he's not using instead of him storing them as fat. The excess insulin he's pumping out is a huge problem for him and Glucorell will take care of that.