MOJO needs EF's help!!!!

[gotmojo]

I need some seriousely urgent help with this!

I have a great friend (love him like a brother) that I played football with, he always played ball @ approx 330lbs BTW he is 24 yrs old and is 6'1". Although he carried a lot of BF he stayed conditioned (eating / activity) so he could maintain his size to play the position (offensive line).

He dropped from the team at mid-season last year due to time constraints and in the off-season has become part of a band that is now taking up the majority of his time so he will not be playing football anymore. The problem is that during this time period he has become soooo depressed about his weight skyrocketing past 370lbs due to his activity level dropping off so sharply and still eating like he is playing ball. His job is a semi-sedentary one that keeps him in the field driving most of the time with no options for healthy meals. He has been so depressed over this because he feels that it is affecting his health, ability to date, and self esteem especially now that he is going to be visible in a band among other things. He does realize that he needs to do something for himself first and foremost though, so that's good.

Anyway he has gotten so drastic with this that he is threatening to under go gastric by-pass surgery! I am fighting him tooth and nail on this. I am explaining the risks, and also advised that the procedure will end any hopes to play football ever again (I had to use that card)! I have tried to help him with this but he is now completely unmotivated because in the past he always identified his weight with the position he played in football and now that he doesn't play anymore and has gained so much weight he just sees himself as a "fat guy". I talked to him last week and he said he talked to his doctor about this, I think he just said this to get me off his back because he told me his doc put him on an 800 cal per day diet, I know a Dr. would not do this, any Dr. worth his or her salt anyway, and I told him this. I think he put himself on the 800/day to start dropping lbs to prep for the surgery.

Anywho, I made him a deal. I told him to give me 6 months to help him drop some weight and if he wasn't happy with the results or didn't at least agree that it is something that could be done without the procedure then I would pay for him to get it done myself. I love my bro to death and don't want to see him hurt himself (Getting a lil misty typing this.).

Can the members of EF help me out in devising a diet plan for maximum effectiveness. CKD is out for now as he is too undisciplined at this point, I will do CKD with him when he is back in more of a routine with all of this. I have 6 months to keep him from going under the knife and more than likely making a huge mistake. Hell I even bought him a 24 hour access membership to my gym!

The best I can give you on his stats are:

Age = 24
Weight = 370-380
BF = 50% +
Job = 80% driving and 20% spray painting lines on the ground locating underground utilities.
Other activity = playing guitar in a band, that's it.
Diet = before it was all fast food, as far as right now goes I talked to his mom and he is eating clean, but it is only a chicken breast and a cup of veggies at dinner per day, that's it!.

If more info. is needed please let me know.

Thanks in advance,

MOJO

 

[Lifterforlife]

There is a huge problem when you go from high energy expenditure to nothing. You have to adjust your diet to fit your needs. Not to mention the health implications that arise.

I would start him off simple, a CKD or TKD as you mention, especially at where he is is probably unfeasible, and too harsh when used to the caloric intake he is used to.

First off is cutting junk from his diet. This alone will result in a nice calorie decrease, as whole foods are typically less calorie dense, so he will by default decrease calories.

Now, at this point I would suggest a 10% calorie drop. This is very doable, and he should notice no dropoff in in "performance". Continue with this for a couple weeks, until it becomes fairly easy.

Usually a couple to 3 weeks. Then proceed with another one. Keep going along this format, and with the combined energy expenditure from his gym membership, he should see results.

This is optimal, because when he sees results, he will want to continue. It is ironic, I have a friend who was in the exact same position, going to do the same thing. He didn't, followed my advice, and now looks great and is health.

A lot of information to try to put in one post...others I am sure will add. Good luck with your friend. It is hard to watch someone you care for go through this.

 

[gotmojo]

Usually a couple to 3 weeks. Then proceed with another one. Keep going along this format, and with the combined energy expenditure from his gym membership, he should see results.

I guess this is the problem....10% from what? He has cleaned his diet up but is only consuming one meal per day. I have used several calculators and methods to define what his daily caloric intake "should" be with these stats, but they are giving me varying results with differences of 1,000 + calories.

Is there a more accurate way to get the daily caloric intake pinpointed so I could get him off to right start? Seeing as this is the most important part right now.

Oh yeah, the gym part will have to be worked into as well, my gym is 30 min. from his house and he is having major motivational issues right now. I will how ever drive an hour round trip to pull his ass in there if need be.

MOJO

 

[gotmojo]

Also, I almost forgot. Is there a recommended fat burner he could use? I do know that it is best not to use them at this stage in the game, but to wait until a plateau is hit. However, I think this could be a motivational factor for him being that it may help him more mentally than anything for him to think that he is taking something to help his efforts along.

 

[SgtSlaughter]

SeasaPure and Glucurell from AnaFit will work wonders.

 

[gotmojo]

SeasaPure and Glucurell from AnaFit will work wonders.

Great! I will check into these!

 

[Lifterforlife]

I guess this is the problem....10% from what? He has cleaned his diet up but is only consuming one meal per day. I have used several calculators and methods to define what his daily caloric intake "should" be with these stats, but they are giving me varying results with differences of 1,000 + calories.

Is there a more accurate way to get the daily caloric intake pinpointed so I could get him off to right start? Seeing as this is the most important part right now.

Oh yeah, the gym part will have to be worked into as well, my gym is 30 min. from his house and he is having major motivational issues right now. I will how ever drive an hour round trip to pull his ass in there if need be.

MOJO

I am sorry, I must have misunderstood the post. I did not realize he was only eating one meal per day.

This is hardly "cleaning up" his diet. I am quite sure he is suffering metabolic slowdown with just that diet, and is further hindering fat loss. The body is percieving starvation. Cortisol is high, test levels are probably nothing, and again, this exasperates things.

He will need to increase his calories, and on a "steady" basis. Meaning, eating small meals at least 5-6 times per day. Getting metabolism, thyroid back functioning properly.

A slow manner is the way to go. I know the mentality of telling someone to eat more when they are trying to lose is hard, but if you explain to him what is happening and the consequences maybe he will understand.

 

[gotmojo]

I am sorry, I must have misunderstood the post. I did not realize he was only eating one meal per day.

This is hardly "cleaning up" his diet. I am quite sure he is suffering metabolic slowdown with just that diet, and is further hindering fat loss. The body is percieving starvation. Cortisol is high, test levels are probably nothing, and again, this exasperates things.

He will need to increase his calories, and on a "steady" basis. Meaning, eating small meals at least 5-6 times per day. Getting metabolism, thyroid back functioning properly.

A slow manner is the way to go. I know the mentality of telling someone to eat more when they are trying to lose is hard, but if you explain to him what is happening and the consequences maybe he will understand.

I guess I meant "cleaned up" only in the sense that he stopped eating Mcdonald's and Wendy's every day to chicken and veggies (even though it is just for one meal). I do understand the metabolic slow down part, but what would you suggest that his daily intake should ultimately be built up to? I have gotten #'s like 3,500 to 4,800 per day. I mean I don't want him to over feed so much that it negates any results and makes him just crawl back into a hole.

 

[gotmojo]

SeasaPure and Glucurell from AnaFit will work wonders.

Is Glucorell R the same shit that's in T-Rex?

 

[SgtSlaughter]

Is Glucorell R the same shit that's in T-Rex?

Not that I'm aware of.

Gluc-R (R-ALA) slows insulin response to carbs.

Thermorexin' is a fat burner with stimulants in it coffee:, ect.)