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mus1cjunk1e

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I wasn't sure exactly where to put this, but since it involves pinning I figured the steroid forum would be the best place. If any mods want to move it feel free.

Just for some background. I am 160lbs. Type 3 skin (If I don't tan or go outside I get WHITE, but if I tan I tend to darken and not burn. Before starting this I was still a little tan from tanning for 3 weeks. It has been about a month since I've been in a tanning booth. I will be injecting 0.5mg every day until my 10mg is gone and I will go from there. I wanted to use a lower dose because I'm not in a hurry and I don't want to get too dark too fast. I am not planning on getting any sun other than a few short walks outside to my car and whatnot. That way I can tell if it is really working on it's own.

Day 1:
Injected first 0.5mg of MT2 in the afternoon. Within minutes stomach started to hurt. Not a sick feeling but just hurt a little. I thought it was in my head but it didn't go away. I ate food a while later and it went away for a minute and came back. Later I took some pepto and it went away. Looking back, I believe I had some flushing too.

Day 2:
Injected in the afternoon. Within minutes noticed my stomach hurting and I was a little flushed. I drank some pepto after a while and that helped. It didn't bother me as much as the day before, but didn't copletely go away. I think I'm already feeling minor sexual sides but it may be in my head. Seem to be a little more sensitive. No 4 hour hard ons yet though.

Day 3:
Injected right before bed. Stomach started hurting within minutes. I didn't take any pepto and I was still able to fall asleep normally. Definetly sexual side affects. I had dreams that invovled banging an ex girlfriend. And every time I woke up at night (I wake up a couple times every night) and in the morning, I had a big stiffy.

Day 4 (today):
Haven't injected yet. I will be injecting before bed now to minimize stomach effects. I seem to already be a little darker. That might be in my head but I don't think so because I was starting to get white again from not tanning and it seems to have started to reverse. I should know in a few more days for sure though. I notice a few new freckles on my forarms that weren't there before (at least I don't think they were) and soem of my freckles seem darker. They were already dark to begin with so it isn't a major change. I will be keeping better track of them now. So far I'm really happy with it.
 
Sounds just like my experience w/ MT-II.

My rats love the stuff. As a pale irish rat, color isn't something that comes easy. But once I started them on it, they looked like they were refugees from Cuba.

Great color, and noticed a lot more attention from the females.
 
Just looked in the mirror in the bathroom and definitely a couple new spots on my arms. They don't bother me though. Also I'm definitely a little darker. It's not just in my head. I wonder about some of the crazy dosages they post up some times. Maybe it's because I am naturally a little darker but when they say 1mg a day for 40 days for loading, I feel like I would be black.
 
it will not work on it's own. It isn't a colorant. It has to have UV to make it work.
MJ, use the search feature at the top of the page for MT2, you'll find threads on it over on C&C more than here I believe...
There's much to know, you need to read some threads and ask more questions. I don't want you to have a bad experience, it can be, but doesn't have to be with correct knowledge of how to use it and what can and does happen and the remedies.
 
From what I've been reading all over the web sun is not required, it will just accelerate the process.

For instance this quote from melanocorp.com's faq page:
"If you decide to take MT2, there are basically two phases that you will go through. The first is called the "loading phase", where you will take an injection every day until you reach the color that you like, which usually takes 3-4 weeks. After that, you will go into the "maintenance phase" where you will take an injection once or twice a week just to maintain your color. If you decide to get in the sun or a tanning bed, your color will darken dramatically. If you decide to stop taking it completely, your color will last for about three months."

Notice that they say IF you decide to get in the sun. As in, it will work without it. And I assure you that I am not crazy and I have already gotten a little bit of color without tanning or going outside.
 
if u use the natural sun the color will look alot darker then a tanning bed
 
hurricane187 said:
if u use the natural sun the color will look alot darker then a tanning bed
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Ya I don't like tanning beds. I would prefer natural sun. I just never have time to tan enough in the sun unless I was using something like MT2 where every ounce of sunlight matters.

Also, txbondsman, if you are correct, then if I get no sun for the next 3 weeks I should not get any darker and the day I do get some sun I should get a lot darker in one shot from having MT2 built up in my body. So, me waiting to get some sun, for the sake of science to see how this stuff works, shouldn't hurt me in the end. Either way I will get a tan.
 
Actually just found a better quote from melanocorp's faq:

"Do I need to go in the sun to see results?

It depends on your skin type. If you are skin type 1 or 2, you will probably need a low or moderate amount of sun exposure before your skin color changes. If you are skin type 3 or above, you should start to notice results without having to go into the sun."
 
I can assure you, unless your a type 3 skin or higher, you need UV to see anything. You did say that you can tan fairly easily, you may see something, but it won't get very dark. Most type 3's and higher, don't use MT2, they tan w/o the expense.

I've used it for 2 years now, and used to be a mod on a board that the FDA took down because the company didn't label their product "not for human consumpion, experimental use only", similar to the AG Guy's labels. Their product was the best on the market and was American made, they were selling tons of it and I personally think that had more to do with it than anything....
 
you slipped that post in, exactly, that's more accurate..
 
its not illegal for non human research purposes
 
txbondsman said:
it will not work on it's own. It isn't a colorant. It has to have UV to make it work.
MJ, use the search feature at the top of the page for MT2, you'll find threads on it over on C&C more than here I believe...
There's much to know, you need to read some threads and ask more questions. I don't want you to have a bad experience, it can be, but doesn't have to be with correct knowledge of how to use it and what can and does happen and the remedies.
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This is False you don't need UV rays, it works on its own. Also taking before bed is a much better. You may even notice that you can do .25mg a day. But if .5mg is giving you the look you want stick with it.
 
I think that Musclejunkie is just waiting until bedtime to take his next dose because he wants more freaky dreams with a hot ex....not that there's anything wrong with that. :)
 
Donnie Darko said:
I think that Musclejunkie is just waiting until bedtime to take his next dose because he wants more freaky dreams with a hot ex....not that there's anything wrong with that. :)
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Dammit! You caught me! :p
 
Trendsetter21 said:
This is False you don't need UV rays, it works on its own. Also taking before bed is a much better. You may even notice that you can do .25mg a day. But if .5mg is giving you the look you want stick with it.
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not sure what u mean? u might get a color from using it with no sun but it will be a huge difference if u do get exposure to the sun .. muchh more color
 
Day 4 (continued):
I injected last night before bed. Stomach started to hurt but not as much as it had before. The inject sign had a little more stinging than usual but nothing crazy. I just checked myself in the mirror and I see some more freckles that weren't there before. A couple on my face and some on my chest and stomach. In all I probably have at least 20 that I didn't have when I started. Still no biggie but hopefully I don't get covered with freckles lol. I might try and get some sun this weekend to speed up the process a bit.

Question: Does anyone know if dropping the dose to .25mg a day would stop new freckles from forming or is it just something that will happen anyway? Is there some set number that will pop up and then no more new ones? I've heard in reports that people get a bunch of new freckles and then start getting darker and no more new freckles. From my understanding, you already have the freckles they were just too light to see before and the MT is filling them in first before the rest of your skin.
 
footballstud said:
Sounds just like my experience w/ MT-II.

My rats love the stuff. As a pale irish rat, color isn't something that comes easy. But once I started them on it, they looked like they were refugees from Cuba.

Great color, and noticed a lot more attention from the females.
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lol that's funny, but are your rats reproducing a lot quicker? Is libido high on both male and female?
 
Trendsetter21 said:
This is False you don't need UV rays, it works on its own. Also taking before bed is a much better. You may even notice that you can do .25mg a day. But if .5mg is giving you the look you want stick with it.
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You don't know what your talking about and your completely misleading the people who are needing info. It DOES NOT work on it's own! That's like saying that you can tan w/o UV, it doesn't cause melanin to do anything other than produce more color when UV is contacted. Not in the sense that you can get tan, it may show some color, from pasty white to a little color, but W/O UV type 1's and 2's will never get a dark tan, which is what we are talking about.

read above posts, if your a type 3 or higher you can see a marked diff, if your a two or less you won't see much of anything if at all. UV causes the melanin to react, it may just be walking from your car to the gym, mowing the grass, etc. but it has to have the UV to work.

The amount needed will vary because of skin type, time spent in UV and body weight, there is no one doseage that is universal. Also, the more times you use it, summer to summer, the less you need to get tan....
 
Well guys. I might be stopping right here actually. I seem to be freckling a lot off of this stuff. More than I want to. And its only been a couple of days. I have a couple dark ones on my face now and I see a few more light ones that I'm sure will become dark if I keep injecting. I've done some searching on other forums, and apparently lots of people are seeing new freckles and moles even 50 or 60mg in. I've never had a lot of freckles but I seem to be predisposed to it on MT2 and I'm not trying to get really freckly just to get tan. I think I'm just going to cut my losses and tan like a normal person.
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
Well guys. I might be stopping right here actually. I seem to be freckling a lot off of this stuff. More than I want to. And its only been a couple of days. I have a couple dark ones on my face now and I see a few more light ones that I'm sure will become dark if I keep injecting. I've done some searching on other forums, and apparently lots of people are seeing new freckles and moles even 50 or 60mg in. I've never had a lot of freckles but I seem to be predisposed to it on MT2 and I'm not trying to get really freckly just to get tan. I think I'm just going to cut my losses and tan like a normal person.
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MJ, the freckeling is the most common complaint by far. If it's just rediculous, maybe it's not for you. BUT, as you get tan and move to injects twice a week, the combination of those two get the freckeling in check. The darker your skin is the less noticable they are and they do lighten as well when you move to maintance phase. If you tan it may not be worth it to you, for people who don't tan at all or burn several times before they see anything, they historically say it's worth putting up with the freckels till they get to maintance and finally have a dark tan. fyi...
 
txbondsman said:
MJ, the freckeling is the most common complaint by far. If it's just rediculous, maybe it's not for you. BUT, as you get tan and move to injects twice a week, the combination of those two get the freckeling in check. The darker your skin is the less noticable they are and they do lighten as well when you move to maintance phase. If you tan it may not be worth it to you, for people who don't tan at all or burn several times before they see anything, they historically say it's worth putting up with the freckels till they get to maintance and finally have a dark tan. fyi...
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Yup that sounds about right. If I was super white, unable to tan no matter how hard I try I would probably stick it out. Since I actually can tan if I do it, but just don't like to, its not worth the freckles. I just went to the bathroom and counted 20 on my face. A few dark and most of them light but I'm not gonna wait around for the rest to darken up and for new ones.

I seem to respond really strongly to this stuff. I'm gonna stop now, and if the freckles go away, I may try again later maybe with a super low dose like .1 a day or just skip right to maintenance at like .5 once a week and see what happens. If they don't fade, I definitely won't be touching it again.
 
Just took another look at myself in the mirror and I have to say I am amazed at how much color I got in literally 4 days. The tops of my forearms are the same color as the bottoms for once, any trace of redness I had from tanning is gone and replaced with brown. I'm not super dark, but I certainly got some decent color from it. This stuff just seems to work very strongly for me.

Like I said, I'm gonna lay off it for a while and see if the freckles fade or not. It's not worth it for me to be covered in freckles just to get tan. Assuming they fade, I will definitely come back and try it again. Probably about .2mg every other day at first to see where that gets me. If they don't go away, they don't bother me too much as is and at least it was a fun science experiment! Hopefully I don't continue to get more in the next week. I'll update this thread with any changes over the next month or 2.
 
melanocorp says it is no longer shipping to the us. Its said that for a few months now. Are they just saying this as a disclaimer or are they really denying domestic orders?
 
mr_black said:
melanocorp says it is no longer shipping to the us. Its said that for a few months now. Are they just saying this as a disclaimer or are they really denying domestic orders?
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I'm willing to bet that they stopped shipping to the US because they advertise it as for human use. Other websites like uslabresearch advertise for non human experimental use only so they are still shipping domestic.
 
mr_black said:
melanocorp says it is no longer shipping to the us. Its said that for a few months now. Are they just saying this as a disclaimer or are they really denying domestic orders?
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no domestic orders, they had thought at the beginning that they may be up and running w/ the disclaimers by the first of the year, but that has not materialized as of yet. Theirs was good shit, you didn't have to worry about them, product OR shipping.
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
Just took another look at myself in the mirror and I have to say I am amazed at how much color I got in literally 4 days. The tops of my forearms are the same color as the bottoms for once, any trace of redness I had from tanning is gone and replaced with brown. I'm not super dark, but I certainly got some decent color from it. This stuff just seems to work very strongly for me.

Like I said, I'm gonna lay off it for a while and see if the freckles fade or not. It's not worth it for me to be covered in freckles just to get tan. Assuming they fade, I will definitely come back and try it again. Probably about .2mg every other day at first to see where that gets me. If they don't go away, they don't bother me too much as is and at least it was a fun science experiment! Hopefully I don't continue to get more in the next week. I'll update this thread with any changes over the next month or 2.
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LOL, yes, good stuff is strong, it will litterally turn you damn near black w/ alot of sun. The freckels will fade, you'll get more sun and that will camo them too, but assumng that you didn't, it'll be a couple of months before you go completely back to normal, but you'll probably have long forgotten about them by then...
 
txbondsman said:
LOL, yes, good stuff is strong, it will litterally turn you damn near black w/ alot of sun. The freckels will fade, you'll get more sun and that will camo them too, but assumng that you didn't, it'll be a couple of months before you go completely back to normal, but you'll probably have long forgotten about them by then...
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Hopefully you're right and they fade after a couple months. I know everyone's body is different so I guess we'll see. At least I know the shit works for me. This was just a first test anyway. I'm just glad I didnt shoot 1mg a day or any of the other higher doses I saw posted on the interwebs. Thats good advice for any chemical actually, ALWAYS start small.
 
I'm going to get a tan this weekend to see if it will cover up the freckles. Then I might hop on about .25mg a week and see if any new freckles come in.

From what I've read, MT2 is much stronger than MT1. I'm starting to get the feeling that a lot of the dosing charts and formulas are really made for MT1 because I feel like .5 a week over time would have gotten me pretty dark. No loading needed. And that's even less than they tell people to maintain with.
 
i have been running MT2 for about a year now with fantastic results. have you guys heard any down fall for long term use? i will stay on this stuff for life i am sure!
 
I just woke up and checked for more freckles. It looks like I got a few new speck sized ones on my face, and some of the ones already there got darker. I don't even want one more freckle, so I'm going to just get a tan this weekend to cover it up as best I can and stop altogether. In 3 or 4 months, if all of the freckles fade, I will try again at a much lower dose. I'll let you guys know how it goes.
 
I should note that no one so far has noticed the freckles, or at least hasn't said anything. So I think I only really notice them so much because it's my face. Hopefully a nice tan will make them even less noticeable. I'm hoping that the MT2 that is still in my body will help me tan a little easier this weekend. I'm gonna hang out by the pool for a few hours with spf15 on and see what happens.
 
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mus1cjunk1e said:
I should note that no one so far has noticed the freckles, or at least hasn't said anything. So I think I only really notice them so much because it's my face. Hopefully a nice tan will make them even less noticeable. I'm hoping that the MT2 that is still in my body will help me tan a little easier this weekend. I'm gonna hang out by the pull for a few hours with spf15 on and see what happens.
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lol, your exactly right, no one really pays that much attention, I had a few on my forehead of all places, nada, nothing, zip, even from my wife who didn't know at the time I was even using it. :-)
As soon as I decreased the injects, they faded and my tan was covering them up. After about 2 months, they blended completely into the tan...
 
timber1976 said:
i have been running MT2 for about a year now with fantastic results. have you guys heard any down fall for long term use? i will stay on this stuff for life i am sure!
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Agree i have had awesome results, im about a month into MT2.

Also was wondering about long term use
 
Also just noticed today that since I didn't inject last night I seem slightly lighter than yesterday. I understand that MT2 has a flushing affect and I think that not injecting stopped that flushing, making me look lighter. I am still darker than when I started that's for sure, just not as dark as I thought I was. I will be getting a tan this weekend and totally laying off the MT2 to see how the freckles react. As soon as they fade away -- if they do -- I will hop back on a low dose like I mentioned because besides the freckles, this stuff rocks.
 
It was weird, I felt like I looked lighter this morning, but now later in the day I look darker again, especially my face. It probably has to do with the lighting that I see myself in. Either way, I'm hanging out by the pool on saturday for a couple hours so I should get nice and dark.
 
So its been 2 days since my last inject. No new freckles today so that's good. It seems to be directly related to the dose. I think putting .5mg in myself at a time was too much in my blood and was stimulating freckles too much. It also seems like a few of the ones on my arms are a fading a little bit already. Not the ones on my face though, those are realy dark -- almost black. Probably because my face gets more sun than the rest of my body.
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
So its been 2 days since my last inject. No new freckles today so that's good. It seems to be directly related to the dose. I think putting .5mg in myself at a time was too much in my blood and was stimulating freckles too much. It also seems like a few of the ones on my arms are a fading a little bit already. Not the ones on my face though, those are realy dark -- almost black. Probably because my face gets more sun than the rest of my body.
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the fairly dark freckles/ moles that you have get the real dark color, the light freckels get to that darker color and become more noticeable, the freckles that were very faint, the ones that you didn't even see before w/o the 3" mirror inspection, they now become visible too. Those are the ones that people say, "It made me get NEW freckles", they aren't new, they were just so light that you didn't see them. In one sence they are new, but MT2 didn't "create" them, they were already there. It's my experience that the UV exposure doesn't make them any darker than they already are, but the sun can make the seem lighter by darkening your skin and moving closer to that color.
When you get sun this weekend, use a moderate SPF, don't burn! That is important, you want to protect yourself so that you don't even come close to sunburn and the possibility of peeling or drying out your skin and flaking, etc. Keep moisturized and moderately SPF'd, very important.
 
txbondsman said:
the fairly dark freckles/ moles that you have get the real dark color, the light freckels get to that darker color and become more noticeable, the freckles that were very faint, the ones that you didn't even see before w/o the 3" mirror inspection, they now become visible too. Those are the ones that people say, "It made me get NEW freckles", they aren't new, they were just so light that you didn't see them. In one sence they are new, but MT2 didn't "create" them, they were already there. It's my experience that the UV exposure doesn't make them any darker than they already are, but the sun can make the seem lighter by darkening your skin and moving closer to that color.
When you get sun this weekend, use a moderate SPF, don't burn! That is important, you want to protect yourself so that you don't even come close to sunburn and the possibility of peeling or drying out your skin and flaking, etc. Keep moisturized and moderately SPF'd, very important.
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Yup I was going to use an SPF 15 this weekend.

As far as the dark freckles. About 5 of them on my face are really dark and were never there before, or at least were so light that I never saw them even when I was super pale.
 
So I decided I'm going to try shooting .25mg tonight and see if I get more freckles. Hopefully the lower dose will keep that from happening. I only weigh 160 and apparently AAP (who weighs 260) was using the .5mg a day dose, so needless to say it was probably too much for me. I think it is worth saying again that most of the charts you will find online are WAY off and recommend a much higher dose than actually needed. If I still see freckles off of .25mg at a time, I will drop to .125 mg at a time and see if I still get them. I'll be in the sun tomorrow so we'll see how dark I get.

So far not one person noticed the freckles so even if I get a couple more in the name of science I don't care. Did I mention I like experimenting on myself? :p
 
txbondsman said:
lol, your exactly right, no one really pays that much attention, I had a few on my forehead of all places, nada, nothing, zip, even from my wife who didn't know at the time I was even using it. :-)
As soon as I decreased the injects, they faded and my tan was covering them up. After about 2 months, they blended completely into the tan...
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This makes me think of something I read on another thread about this. Someone posted a picture of a face under ultra-violet light or something to show existing sun damage. Their point was that the freckles that are showing up are basically already there as invisible sun damage. Their idea was that the mt2 was basically filling in those places first. I tend to agree with them as I noticed a darkening around my eyes, freckles on my forehead and so forth first. My face looked like a less extreme example of the photo- check out the photo in this link http://melanotan.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1210259701
 
Interesting theory. Even if that is so, hopefully lowering the dosage taken per injection will even out the rate of darkening to let the regular skin get darker at the same pace as the damaged skin. I'll post up if I see any new freckles tomorrow after doing .25mg tonight.
 
jacshelb said:
This makes me think of something I read on another thread about this. Someone posted a picture of a face under ultra-violet light or something to show existing sun damage. Their point was that the freckles that are showing up are basically already there as invisible sun damage. Their idea was that the mt2 was basically filling in those places first. I tend to agree with them as I noticed a darkening around my eyes, freckles on my forehead and so forth first. My face looked like a less extreme example of the photo- check out the photo in this link http://melanotan.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1210259701
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good post, I think for the most part they are correct, freckles/ moles have an "affinity" for the melanin and show much quicker AND darker than other areas. That tells me that because they darken so readliy as opposed to other areas of skin, there has to be some kind of magnatism working, otherwise they, skin and freckles, would darken at the same rate.

But one thing that they don't say, and I realize that the poster wasn't covering all areas, but some people are genetically predisposed to have freckles, it isn't always sun damage. These people have the same problem, sun damage or not.

I assure you, I HAVE sun damage. Especially on my nose, it was burned many times till it was almost just a single blister. There wasn't SPF's back then in the late 70's, I assume that zinc oxide was, but at 19, I didn't care, I just wanted to be at the lake, pool, wherever and kept getting burned time and time again. My point, my nose didn't freckle, it tanned normally, was dark brown instead of reddish pink for the first time in years, maybe ever. I had never been out in the sun since 79' that my nose didn't burn if I forgot to use sunblock 50 until I started using MT2. Which, btw, was the reason for it's creation, to help people who are fair skinned and predisposed to skin cancers be able to enjoy the outdoors and live somewhat worry free of the sun and it's effects. Not for the vanity reasons that most of us seem to have latched onto.

And, the side effect that most men have, that's nice too. Comes in handy to have a willing and ready GF/ wife/ friend, who likes to get frisky alot.

Otherwise you may be caught in the frozen food section holding a frozen pizza on your crotch....
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
Interesting theory. Even if that is so, hopefully lowering the dosage taken per injection will even out the rate of darkening to let the regular skin get darker at the same pace as the damaged skin. I'll post up if I see any new freckles tomorrow after doing .25mg tonight.
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Well, my thinking would be that, like txbondsman is saying, the freckles and moles that are unseen will fill in first. But, if you can tan naturally anyway, I'm betting you have a good chance of what you are trying working in your case.

I'm about finished with my first 10 mg. and doing the same as you were, .5 mg ed. I had all the same things, flushing, upset stomach etc. Mine seemed to get much less noticeable after the first two injections. Then, I took a day off and came back and the flushing was pretty bad again- though nothing I couldn't handle. Got up in the night to pee last night and had to wait a bit, if you know what I mean. I just get the extra erections at night after my shot and when I'm trying to sleep..
 
jacshelb said:
Well, my thinking would be that, like txbondsman is saying, the freckles and moles that are unseen will fill in first. But, if you can tan naturally anyway, I'm betting you have a good chance of what you are trying working in your case.

I'm about finished with my first 10 mg. and doing the same as you were, .5 mg ed. I had all the same things, flushing, upset stomach etc. Mine seemed to get much less noticeable after the first two injections. Then, I took a day off and came back and the flushing was pretty bad again- though nothing I couldn't handle. Got up in the night to pee last night and had to wait a bit, if you know what I mean. I just get the extra erections at night after my shot and when I'm trying to sleep..
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How much do you weigh? From your avatar you look like you are significantly bigger than me. Given the weights of others getting good results with .5mg an inject I'm thinking .25mg may be just fine for me.
 
txsbondsman is the expert on this. bar none. his advice is to be taken.
 
AAP said:
txsbondsman is the expert on this. bar none. his advice is to be taken.
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Yup he definitely seems to know his stuff.
 
AAP said:
txsbondsman is the expert on this. bar none. his advice is to be taken.
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I agree, he has helped me a great deal with my MT2.

I have taken a benadryl a half hour before i take the injection and it really helps me with the flushing, and congestion.
 
AAP said:
txsbondsman is the expert on this. bar none. his advice is to be taken.
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OOOH OOOOH!!!! sig worthy! sig worthy!!

the ol' MF'er knows something about something, damn. I knew it just HAD to happen.... and it's not drugs or alcohol. Who'd a thunk it.

Even a blind pig finds an acorn every once in a while....


Thanks AAP! lets SING!!!!

 
txbondsman said:
and it's not drugs or alcohol. Who'd a thunk it.
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That all depends, do you consider Melanotan a drug? :p
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
That all depends, do you consider Melanotan a drug? :p
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nope, peptide. :-)
 
txbondsman said:
You don't know what your talking about and your completely misleading the people who are needing info. It DOES NOT work on it's own! That's like saying that you can tan w/o UV, it doesn't cause melanin to do anything other than produce more color when UV is contacted. Not in the sense that you can get tan, it may show some color, from pasty white to a little color, but W/O UV type 1's and 2's will never get a dark tan, which is what we are talking about.

read above posts, if your a type 3 or higher you can see a marked diff, if your a two or less you won't see much of anything if at all. UV causes the melanin to react, it may just be walking from your car to the gym, mowing the grass, etc. but it has to have the UV to work.

The amount needed will vary because of skin type, time spent in UV and body weight, there is no one doseage that is universal. Also, the more times you use it, summer to summer, the less you need to get tan....
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Oh really thats weird cuz my rats didn't get sun or go tanning at all and they tanned pretty well within 2 weeks. Must have super rats are something.
 
Trendsetter21 said:
Oh really thats weird cuz my rats didn't get sun or go tanning at all and they tanned pretty well within 2 weeks. Must have super rats are something.
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What skin type are your rats? It's already been established in this thread (with txbondsman agreeing) that, yes, rats with a darker skin type -- type 3 or above -- can see color without sun.
 
So yesterday I shot .25mg. I got the full stomach pain, flushing etc. I counted the freckles on my face before the shot. I had 10 freckles, all medium size. Within 15 minutes after the shot I had ten more but they were all tiny. I think possibly the heavy facial flushing was causing the MT2 to be pushed out to the skin on my face.

Today I was hanging out by the pool for about an hour and a half with spf 15 on. I didn't burn at all and looking in the mirror now I got at least one or two shades darker. Txbondsman is right, you really need to tan on this to get the full effects. I never usually get this dark after just an hour in the sun with sunscreen on. Usually I would get a little red and a little darker, but not this much darker. Also I didn't get red at all. Just brown.

About 20 minutes ago I shot .125mg. My stomach hurt a little but not much and went away already. I barely flushed at all, but it's hard to tell because I'm darker now. So far I see no new freckles. I think this may be my correct dose. I'll start shooting .125mg every day until I get the color I want. At this rate, probably only 1 or 2 more weeks until I start shooting maybe .125mg twice a week to maintain. I'm going to try to get some pool time again next weekend to get another shade darker.

Also, it seems like some of the freckles that at first seemed really dark already started to get a little lighter. Some of them are still really dark though.
 
I've been using 29g insulin pins to shoot but they have been stinging going in. I had heard that subq shots are supposed to be painless but these hurt more than my glute and quad shots with 23g needles. I just ordered some 30g needles so hopefully that will solve the problem.

Anyone need like 50 extra 29g slin pins? :p
 
Spartan8379 said:
I have tried it, but noticed my face was way darker than my body, any help with this as i want to try it again
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Did you go tanning (either outside or in a booth) when you were using it? If you didn't, I imagine that your face could get a lot darker than your body because it gets sun everyday.

So far I look pretty even.
 
Spartan8379 said:
I have tried it, but noticed my face was way darker than my body, any help with this as i want to try it again
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use spf on your face while the body catches up, the factor depends on what your normal experience is with thew sun and how dark you are now. ALWAYS use some protection untill you get your base tan, never give yourself a chance to burn. Then moisturize well after sun, more than you would normally. It is common for the face/ hands/ arms to get darker before the reast of you. They have seen more sun in the past and see more sun just from being outside, not necessarily tanning. Use the SPF to cover darker areas and lighter or none on other areas that need tanning...

it's kind of a juggleing game...
 
I forgot to inject Sunday night but I did .125mg again last night. Only minimal stomach ache, no flushing (or at least barely any), and no new freckles. I think I'm gonna try .25mg one more time tonight and see if I get any more freckles from it. If I don't then I'll stick with .25mg an inject. If I do then I'm staying with .125mg.

I am still a nice shade darker from last weekend. Just a little red tint, but not bad at all. This weekend is round 2 by the pool. This time I'm using an spf8 tanning spray instead of the spf15 spray I used last time. We'll see how dark I get.
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
I forgot to inject Sunday night but I did .125mg again last night. Only minimal stomach ache, no flushing (or at least barely any), and no new freckles. I think I'm gonna try .25mg one more time tonight and see if I get any more freckles from it. If I don't then I'll stick with .25mg an inject. If I do then I'm staying with .125mg.

I am still a nice shade darker from last weekend. Just a little red tint, but not bad at all. This weekend is round 2 by the pool. This time I'm using an spf8 tanning spray instead of the spf15 spray I used last time. We'll see how dark I get.
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that's it, you just have to try and find the right combos of how long your in the sun and the spf to use. I use 50 on my nose and ears and sometimes on the back of my neck, it gets serious black. Spray 15 on my face if I'm gonna be on the water fishing, I don't use any on my legs, just lotion, they don't burn but arent nearly as dark as my arms and face. FYI, my hands get very dark, I usually rub the 50 on them when I'm doing my nose, that's pretty common. Mine get so dark they're dirty looking at times, like I just replaced a transmission or something.

I understand that your pretty even, this info is for the others who may be monitoring your thread....

funny, worth mentioning... I get extreme golfers foot, I wear those low cut socks during baseball/ fishing, you can go from lilly white to tan in about 1 or 2 x's in the sun for 30 minutes each, I usually find shade or cover w/ a towel and stick my feet out or use spf on my ankles and not on my feet. It's funny to see how fast they tan...
 
txbondsman, have you ever shot the MT2 intramuscular with slin pins? I love doing quad shots with slin pins because there is literally no pain whatsoever. Do you know if MT2 works IM, or does it need to be subQ? The only reason I could see for subQ is slower absorption, but I don't know how much of a difference that would make if MT2 has a long half life.
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
txbondsman, have you ever shot the MT2 intramuscular with slin pins? I love doing quad shots with slin pins because there is literally no pain whatsoever. Do you know if MT2 works IM, or does it need to be subQ? The only reason I could see for subQ is slower absorption, but I don't know how much of a difference that would make if MT2 has a long half life.
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lmao, no.... I have never seen or heard of anyone using it IM. LOL
funny one bro, I don't think it would matter, but all the info says SQ....
let me know if you try it.... :-)
 
My 30g slin pins come in today so hopefully they'll sting a little less than the 29g. If no one has really done it I don't wanna try it out yet. I'd rather do my first "cycle" the right way, just in case it does make a difference.
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
My 30g slin pins come in today so hopefully they'll sting a little less than the 29g. If no one has really done it I don't wanna try it out yet. I'd rather do my first "cycle" the right way, just in case it does make a difference.
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Absorbtion would be faster IM, I remember hogg from meso-rx.com injecting hcg IM to speed absorbtion.
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
How much do you weigh? From your avatar you look like you are significantly bigger than me. Given the weights of others getting good results with .5mg an inject I'm thinking .25mg may be just fine for me.
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Sorry, was gone all weekend. I weigh about 220 in that pic, but right now am about only 205 (after contest- 195 lbs- and then going off everything for about a month now...). I'm getting some good results. I'm 10.5 mg. in, or 21 days and already I am getting a better tan than ever just getting a bit of sun every couple days. I can see freckles in strange places, like in my hairline, forehead, on the outer edge of my lower lip etc. weird. But, no-one has noticed them on my face like I have yet. My back is another story, years of sun-damage there so I have a bunch of freckles on my back. Anyway, I'm getting good results on .5 mg per day. I'll probably keep going on this dose till I get the tan I want and then do .5 eod and see how that works. Hope all is going well for you.


Jacob
 
jacshelb said:
Sorry, was gone all weekend. I weigh about 220 in that pic, but right now am about only 205 (after contest- 195 lbs- and then going off everything for about a month now...). I'm getting some good results. I'm 10.5 mg. in, or 21 days and already I am getting a better tan than ever just getting a bit of sun every couple days. I can see freckles in strange places, like in my hairline, forehead, on the outer edge of my lower lip etc. weird. But, no-one has noticed them on my face like I have yet. My back is another story, years of sun-damage there so I have a bunch of freckles on my back. Anyway, I'm getting good results on .5 mg per day. I'll probably keep going on this dose till I get the tan I want and then do .5 eod and see how that works. Hope all is going well for you.


Jacob
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That sounds about right. It seems like anyone in the 200 range or above is better on .5mg a day. Those of us in the mid 100's are better on .25mg. I would even suggest to people new to it that are in my weight range (around 160) to start with .125mg a day for a couple days then move up to .25mg.

I just shot .25mg again last night. No sign of any new freckles. The last time I shot .25mg I got a dozen new tiny ones on my face within about 20 minutes of injection. I think it was caused by facial flushing pushing it to my face. This time there wasn't bad flushing, my stomach hurt for about 20 min but then went away (and I also drank a protein shake right after I injected so that didn't help my stomach any). I am going to stick with the .25mg dose now. I think loading up on .125mg for a minute might have gotten my body used to it a little bit.

Also, I got my 30g slin pins in yesterday (I fuckin love gpz). Used one last night to shoot and it was almost totally painless. Just a little sting on the way out. Much better than the 29g ones I was using.
 
jacshelb said:
But, no-one has noticed them on my face like I have yet.
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That's the funny part. Not one person has noticed any of the freckles yet, even though I have about 7 big ones on my face and a bunch of tiny ones. I think that unless you are literally covered in them, most people's brains don't even process them when they look at you.
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
That's the funny part. Not one person has noticed any of the freckles yet, even though I have about 7 big ones on my face and a bunch of tiny ones. I think that unless you are literally covered in them, most people's brains don't even process them when they look at you.
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that's right. I usually use the analogy of washing your car. When your hand washing your car, you see all the road rash, tiny dings, tar spots, all the little shit that has to be seen from a close distance. When your through washing it, no one else sees that, all they see is a really clean car! They're not looking for all the little imperfections....
 
I used .25mg last night and so far I have had no new freckles.

Seems like dropping the dose down and letting my body get used to it did the trick. I'm sticking with .25mg now until I get as dark as I want.

I've got another date with the pool this weekend, and considering how much darker I got after last time, I should be pretty dark by monday. Next week will probably be my last week of shooting every day.
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
I used .25mg last night and so far I have had no new freckles.

Seems like dropping the dose down and letting my body get used to it did the trick. I'm sticking with .25mg now until I get as dark as I want.

I've got another date with the pool this weekend, and considering how much darker I got after last time, I should be pretty dark by monday. Next week will probably be my last week of shooting every day.
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how much will you have in you after this bottle?
at some point pics are in order. :-)
 
txbondsman said:
how much will you have in you after this bottle?
at some point pics are in order. :-)
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This is my first bottle. It is a 10mg vial. I'm not sure exactly how much I am in yet because I've changed dosages around but I know I'm a couple mg in. I'll post some pics up when I get as dark as I want to be. Too bad I don't have any before pics. I have some pics up in another thread from WMC in Miami, but I had been tanning for 2 weeks before that and I'm not usually that dark. I was already starting to fade though when I started this. If I had not started using MT2, I would probably be pretty white by now. Maybe I'll throw up a slightly older pic of me as a before pic, from before I was tanning, for comparison.
 
Also want to mention that after the first couple days on .5mg I haven't really noticed the sexual side affects anymore. Maybe I need at least .5mg to get that. I also never had 4 hour boners or anything like that, even on the .5mg dose. I feel like maybe it's a little easier to get hard that usual, but definitely nothing crazy.
 
Quick update. I've been using .25mg a day every day still. The only sides I get are stomach pain for about 15 minutes or so that goes away. Pepto seems to help, especially if I take it before the inject, but either way it seems to go away fairly quickly. Unlike other people tho, it hasn't gone away completely.

I was at the pool for 5 hours on saturday. I only put on spf8 at the beginning and nothing else for the rest of the day. I didn't burn at all or peel. I got another couple shades darker all over (I can tell from the difference above and below my waistline). My face does seem to be a little darker than the rest of me so I'm going to start using spf 30 on my face from now on to let my body catch up. I got a little red but that's already mostly gone. I looked darker before the red went away but I'm definitely still a lot darker than I was last week. I think a couple more weekends in the son and I'll be done. I think I'm just going to keep doing the rest of the vial at .25mg every day (which is about 2 weeks worth left) and then I'll go to maintenance. So far, so good.
 
I went on the lake yesterday, I haven't "tanned" at all, my stomach and back haven't been in the sun since last year. I have a severe "farmers tan"/ "golfer's tan" from baseball, my arms and face are dark, legs not so much. I was expecting to get somewhat red on my stomach and shoulders after 2+ hours on the water, it was HOT here. To my surprise, not any red, none. I'm a shade or two darker, but it didn't burn at all on my body. When I actually start to tan at the pool, I'll have to use a high SPF on my face/ neck and arms. My feet tan well also, that never happened before MT. I think that I'll move back to 2 x's ew, for a while, to get the darkness for my body, then back to one...
 
Well all the red wore off already, and now I'm just a solid couple shades darker. I'm gonna have to watch out because in a couple weeks I could easily be too dark.

I really think this stuff fits the description of steroids for tanning. Because you still have to tan (just like you still have to work out on cycle) but you recover much quicker so you can tan a lot faster. And it also helps people who are hard-tanners (like hard-gainers) tan where they wouldn't have been able to before. Oh and then the whole you have to inject it thing just completes the analogy.
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
Well all the red wore off already, and now I'm just a solid couple shades darker. I'm gonna have to watch out because in a couple weeks I could easily be too dark.

I really think this stuff fits the description of steroids for tanning. Because you still have to tan (just like you still have to work out on cycle) but you recover much quicker so you can tan a lot faster. And it also helps people who are hard-tanners (like hard-gainers) tan where they wouldn't have been able to before. Oh and then the whole you have to inject it thing just completes the analogy.
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Hey Bro's,

great thread - I just ordered some MT2. Whats the sketch with the Benadryl - is this the antihystamine? Take it 30mins before pinning?
 
I have never used benadryl before my shots. I think it may be used to prevent flushing and sinus symptoms (I never got any sinus symptoms and I get no flushing anymore at the .25mg a day dose).

How much do you weigh? To prevent freckling, I suggest no matter what your weight that you start at .25mg a day for the first week and then bump up to .5mg a day if you are heavier (close to or above 200lbs). If you are lighter like me (in the 150 range) you might want to even start with .125mg a day for a week and then bump up to .25mg a day.
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
I have never used benadryl before my shots. I think it may be used to prevent flushing and sinus symptoms (I never got any sinus symptoms and I get no flushing anymore at the .25mg a day dose).

How much do you weigh? To prevent freckling, I suggest no matter what your weight that you start at .25mg a day for the first week and then bump up to .5mg a day if you are heavier (close to or above 200lbs). If you are lighter like me (in the 150 range) you might want to even start with .125mg a day for a week and then bump up to .25mg a day.
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Hey Bro,

Im about 190lbs. Im with you on that - start small. So you think .25mg to start with? Thats what I wa sthinkin. i dont wanna be crazy dark, I live in England where it rains all the time?

How were your sides bro? Was the stomach pain real bad? Im takin HCG right now with a slin for my AAS, will probably mix both products as they are both water based. Anyone think thats a bad idea?
 
I dont know about the mixing, although I don't see a problem with it since they are both water based. As long as the two compounds don't react in any way.

I think .25mg a day is fine to start with for you. See how that goes for a day or two. If you start getting freckles drop it in half for a few days to let your body acclimate.

The stomach pain isn't that bad. On .25mg a day it hurts for about 15 minutes. I found pepto bismol helps. I like to take it before the shot. I try not to do it all the time though because I don't want to be taking pepto every day.

I recommend taking it at night because it does lower your appetite, so if you take it after you already got all your food in for the day then it's no problem.

Good luck man tell us how it goes. You can post up your results in this thread if you don't want to start a new one.
 
cobracock1979 said:
Hey Bro's,

great thread - I just ordered some MT2. Whats the sketch with the Benadryl - is this the antihystamine? Take it 30mins before pinning?
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some people experience a "flu-like" feeling when starting. Stuffy nose, headache, upset/ queezy stomach, etc., some people use the Benadryl to counteract the symptoms. Not all people have them bad enough to use it. At 190, you could start at the .25mg, but it would be more common to go to .5mg and see how you handel that. Do your injects at night right before you close your eyes, most sleep through any sides that they may have. Expect to have a raging boner if you wake up or in the morning. Only 10% don't experience that.

As far as using it with the HCG, if you did the injects at night, it MAY be OK, but I don't know the stability HCG, the MT2 is very stable. No more problem than the slins are, I'd just do two. Maybe someone else has more knowledge of the combinations.
 
Well I got a couple comments in the last two days about how dark I was so I think I'm going to switch to just pinning .25mg twice a week. Maybe even only once a week. I feel like if I keep pinning every day I'm going to get so dark it's going to look funny. I didn't think I was that dark but I think you are always the last one to notice something about yourself when it comes to getting bigger or tanner. On cycle I didn't think I looked any bigger either until I got a bunch of comments.

I'll try to post some pics up when I get a chance.
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
Well I got a couple comments in the last two days about how dark I was so I think I'm going to switch to just pinning .25mg twice a week. Maybe even only once a week. I feel like if I keep pinning every day I'm going to get so dark it's going to look funny. I didn't think I was that dark but I think you are always the last one to notice something about yourself when it comes to getting bigger or tanner. On cycle I didn't think I looked any bigger either until I got a bunch of comments.

I'll try to post some pics up when I get a chance.
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Pics Bro!
 
Wow I was just in the bathroom and my face looks really dark. Its definitely a shade darker than my body. Someone made a comment this morning that I looked darker than yesterday, but we thought it was just the light. I think now that all the red went away I am actually darker. He thought I tanned yesterday lol. I'll try to take some pics this weekend. I just need to find a camera though.
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
Wow I was just in the bathroom and my face looks really dark. Its definitely a shade darker than my body. Someone made a comment this morning that I looked darker than yesterday, but we thought it was just the light. I think now that all the red went away I am actually darker. He thought I tanned yesterday lol. I'll try to take some pics this weekend. I just need to find a camera though.
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Ok, find any mommy w/little kids. She carries a camera in her purse. Have her take a pic and email it to you! We wanna see your newfound browness! :artist:
 
curvymommy said:
Ok, find any mommy w/little kids. She carries a camera in her purse. Have her take a pic and email it to you! We wanna see your newfound browness! :artist:
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I move this weekend and my new roommate has a camera so I'm going to try to use his. I'll have to dig up an old picture of me so you can see how white I usually am.
 
Guys I've been so busy moving I haven't had a chance to take pics yet. My color seemed to even out a bit too as the days went on so my face doesn't look so dark anymore. I notice I look extra dark the day or so after I'm out in the sun (like the day after I was moving boxes outside). Right now I'm just injecting twice a week. I want to get a handle on just how dark I get before I do more/less. Hopefully I'll get out in the sun this weekend. I'll take pics as soon as I can. And then probably some more in a month or two. I can say one thing tho, I'm tanning waaaay faster on this stuff than normally, so it definitely works. Also I haven't burned at all since I've been on it, so it helps there too. You just get dark instead of burning.
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
I can say one thing tho, I'm tanning waaaay faster on this stuff than normally, so it definitely works. Also I haven't burned at all since I've been on it, so it helps there too. You just get dark instead of burning.
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not everybody! use precaution, everybody should be using spf if you are type 1 and type 2's need to use it on sensitive areas, ie. nose, ears, etc. until you are sure that your tan is dark enough. I always put it on my ears and nose, it wears off and I still get sun on those areas. The back of my neck will get black if I don't use it in mid to late summer, so I use it for color control too...
 
txbondsman said:
not everybody! use precaution, everybody should be using spf if you are type 1 and type 2's need to use it on sensitive areas, ie. nose, ears, etc. until you are sure that your tan is dark enough. I always put it on my ears and nose, it wears off and I still get sun on those areas. The back of my neck will get black if I don't use it in mid to late summer, so I use it for color control too...
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Ya you're right about the color control. I have to start using it on my face now or I'm going to get waaaay too dark.

And everyone should keep in mind that I am a type 3 when reading my comments in this log. Results may be very different for type 1's and 2's.
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
Ya you're right about the color control. I have to start using it on my face now or I'm going to get waaaay too dark.

And everyone should keep in mind that I am a type 3 when reading my comments in this log. Results may be very different for type 1's and 2's.
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Bump for pics!
 
Sorry guys. I've been so busy moving I haven't had a chance to take them yet. I'll have them up as soon as I can.
 
I have been running just a .25mg shot once or twice a week now. It has been maybe a week since my last one so I need to do it again. I still get stomach pain every single time. If I use Pepto it goes away within 15 minutes. Sometimes when I do it right before bed I have a hard time sleeping because it kind of feels like I have the flu. Maybe benadryl would help. I don't think I've lost any color in the last 2 weeks since I was out by the pool. I'm going to try to get some sun this weekend. My face does seem to get darker than my body so I'm going to start using spf30 at least on my face and 8 or 15 on my body. I haven't gotten any freckles since I was using .5mg at a time. I want to try that dose again though so I can be on .5mg a week with only one shot. I also got better sexual sides on the .5mg. I seem to get none with .25mg. I wanted to start cutting back now because I will continue to get darker if I tan anyway and I don't want to get too dark.
 
I haven't checked in on this thread in awhile. I've been doing .35 mg a day or eod lately. I notice that when I shoot every day I don't get flushed or sick feeling. But, eod I really feel a strong flush. It's not terrible, but it is uncomfortable. I'm definitely darker than ever, especially my face and arms. But, though I'm dark "for me", I still look pale at the beach. So, I think I'll be getting sun when I can and see how this goes. Not a terrible amount of freckles or anything terrible as far as sides- do get the erections all night after shot. Anyhow, good to hear other's results.

Later.
 
And I lied about not losing any color. I my face isn't as dark as it was right after I was at the pool 2 weeks ago, but it is more even color now. Next time I tan I know I'll be even darker. I'll try to get in the sun one more time before I take pics.

@jacshelb: I know what you mean about "dark for me." I am really dark for me but compared to some others I'm still pale. I try not too get caught up in it though because I don't want to get too dark and look funny. At a certain point it won't look natural.
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
And I lied about not losing any color. I my face isn't as dark as it was right after I was at the pool 2 weeks ago, but it is more even color now. Next time I tan I know I'll be even darker. I'll try to get in the sun one more time before I take pics.

@jacshelb: I know what you mean about "dark for me." I am really dark for me but compared to some others I'm still pale. I try not too get caught up in it though because I don't want to get too dark and look funny. At a certain point it won't look natural.
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Just injescted my first - .25

Not too bad, sligh uposet stomach, felt queezy+flushed for 10 mins then fine
 
mus1cjunk1e said:
@jacshelb: I know what you mean about "dark for me." I am really dark for me but compared to some others I'm still pale. I try not too get caught up in it though because I don't want to get too dark and look funny. At a certain point it won't look natural.
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Good point! I just want a decent all over tan.... more money... a perfect hair-line etc... ha. I'm pretty impressed with this peptide so far!

cobracock, that sounds about like my first time shot too. Sounds like you react about like me.
 
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