Masterone & Winstrol stack update...

[Fonz]

test also drives me mentally insane. i was thinking of running a masteron/deca cycle or masteron/anavar...i dont want masteron to ruin my mind because its an androgen. fonz can you decifer between the androgenic properties between masteron and test?

All tests have a therapeutic value of 1:1 They are equaly androgenic as anabolic.
Masteron I know is more androgenic than anabolic as it's a DHT derrivative, but I've never read in the literature where it stated its therapeutic index(Anabolic:Androgenic ratio), so I don't know.
Winstrol for example hs a 6:1 ratio (200/33) 6 times more anabolic than androgenic.

The Merckx Index might have it, but my university library is closed.

 

[wolfs]

Another thing too Fonz. I have noticed that a few members have been asking you about the "Mental" affects of taking an something which is very adrogenic like masteron. I personally was totally cool while on sus, primo and winny.

Is it safe to say that while taking Sus, masteron and anavar my adrogenic level will likely be equivalent to that of my previous cycle?

Is Masteron more adrogenic then Winstrol?

 

[georgie24]

im glad your back fonz...not to many bro's out here that can touch you

 

[Fonz]

Another thing too Fonz. I have noticed that a few members have been asking you about the "Mental" affects of taking an something which is very adrogenic like masteron. I personally was totally cool while on sus, primo and winny.

Is it safe to say that while taking Sus, masteron and anavar my adrogenic level will likely be equivalent to that of my previous cycle?

Is Masteron more adrogenic then Winstrol?

Yes, Masteron is definately more androgenic than winstrol.

Androgenic AAS stimulate the synapses to emit stronger impulses. These stronger impulses is where aggresive behaviour comes from. It's also where androgenic AAS get their famed power from. Stronger electrical impulses = more strength. Same analogy with adrenaline and the adrenergic system. Ephedrine mimics adrenaline, and once you take it, you increase adrenaline levels and strength levels go up a good 10-15%. You probably have experienced this phenomenon.

However, only Halotestin IMO has the sufficient androgenicity to affect a persons behavior sufficiently. The rest of the cases of aggressive behavior due to AAS are more likely the fault of the user who just forewent controlling his impulses. Basically, the AAS gave him a reason to "let go".

Another peculiar AAS is winstrol...which acts sort of like a Benzo on the CNS system..so once discontinued, the person using winstrol often gets depressed. I believe there's a post floating around there somewhere where Huck posted a study mentioning this.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Sorry guys, but in humans there has been found to be no correlation between high androgen levels and aggression. This has been studied extensively.

 

[Fonz]

Sorry guys, but in humans there has been found to be no correlation between high androgen levels and aggression. This has been studied extensively.

Which is what i said...with IMO the exception of Halotestin. I have seen guys who could tolerate antyhing go literally crazy on it for no reason. And they where experienced users. Could be one of those cases where research comes up short when compared to real life effects. You have to remember that the number of people taking part in such research studies is small when juxtaposed with people actually using the drug for performance purposes in the real world. There's bound to be a small degree of error in predicting effects.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Agreed, the studies have not looked at androgen levels often seen in atheletes who use moderate to high doses of steroids, however, we know that at the upper threashold of test levels that humans have naturally, we do not see an above average tendenacy for aggression, thus it would appear that androgen mediated aggression in humans (ie roid rage) is a myth.

I would look at the stack your proposed were my budget not what it currently is (you know what its like to be a student). I've found that winstrol and tren, as you pointed out, when used together wreak havoc on my lipid profile.

 

[MR Pink]

Fonz,

do you recomment proviron on any cycle or just cutting cycles?

 

[bicepts101]

Which is what i said...with IMO the exception of Halotestin. I have seen guys who could tolerate antyhing go literally crazy on it for no reason. And they where experienced users. Could be one of those cases where research comes up short when compared to real life effects. You have to remember that the number of people taking part in such research studies is small when juxtaposed with people actually using the drug for performance purposes in the real world. There's bound to be a small degree of error in predicting effects.

are u sure?...im not doubting any scientific fact or studies, but i honestly get pretty nuts on anadrol after week 2. and clen, eventhough not a horomon, gets me quite edgy also.

....in no way am i relating "getting pretty nuts" to any type of rage. i just find myself geting bent out of shape over things i normally wouldnt. idk

 

[wolfs]

Fonz you mentioned that Masteron is more Adrogenic then Winstrol, where as Winstrol is more Anabolic then Masteron.

It has been quite some time for me since I have played with this stuff, so if someone could let me know what this means that would be great.

The fact that Masteron is more adrogenic then winstrol, does that imply that the gains will not be as great??? Even though I may have harder muscles and more strength?

Please clarify.