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Masterone & Winstrol stack update...

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Fonz said:
Try this...it's the ultimate stack for granite hardness:

1. Fina at 75mg ED
2. Masteron at 75mg ED
3. Anavar at 50mg ED
4. Proviron at 50mg/day

No need for test, as the proviron is there. Therefore no chnace whatsoever of itchy or puffy nips.

You "can" substitute the anavar for 50-100mg Winstrol/day but your HDl will go below < 10. Not good.



damn, if i could afford that kinda money for gear right now i would love to do that cycle!
 
Fonz said:
Both Winstrol and Masteron are DHT derrivatives, therfore they do not make you hold water, therfore they make you look harder.

Problems with both:

1. As DHT derrivatives they are both VERY hard on the hairline

Problems with winstrol:

1. Very hard on joints, and it's double-chemical bonded 17-aa structure is quite hepatioxic for the liver.
2. As it's structure is crystalline, its detection time is impossible to predict. Not good if you're tested.
3. It's the WORST AAS for the good "HDL" cholesterol. Not uncommon for people to go below a value of 10 for HDL while on Winstrol.

Bonuses with both:

1. As Masteron is not 17-aa, no problems with hepatoxicity.
Masteron is a strong androgen, your strength will go up.
2. Winstrol is actually more anabolic than androgenic(200/33 therapeutic ratio), therfore its a great anti-catabolic AAS.

In order to check your HDL levels, you would need to get a cholesterol/lipid blood test. they are usually quite cheap.

Thank you for the lengthy reply.

From what it sounds like, the benefits that can be obtained with Winstrol can also be obtained with Masteron with less side effects, is masteron ALSO anti-catabolic?

Right now I am looking at taking a stack of Sustannon, Deca and Masteron OR Sustannon, Anavar and Masteron...What do you think is better? In the past I have taken Sustanon, primobolan and winstrol where I experienced absolutely phenominal results. I am looking to get the same style gains, perhaps a little bit more. What do you think is a better stack?
 
wolfs said:
Thank you for the lengthy reply.

From what it sounds like, the benefits that can be obtained with Winstrol can also be obtained with Masteron with less side effects, is masteron ALSO anti-catabolic?

Right now I am looking at taking a stack of Sustannon, Deca and Masteron OR Sustannon, Anavar and Masteron...What do you think is better? In the past I have taken Sustanon, primobolan and winstrol where I experienced absolutely phenominal results. I am looking to get the same style gains, perhaps a little bit more. What do you think is a better stack?

No, masteron isn't that anti-catabolic.

1. Trenbolone
2. Winstrol
3. Anavar

Those are the three best anti-catabolic AAS you can find.

I'd go with the Sustanon, anavar, masteron. You only have to worry about estrogenic sides with that one.

Fonz
 
Sounds great, I think that is the mix that I am going to go with an expensive one but I like to make my cycles worth it. For someone who is not to HARDCORE, what is a reasonable dose of Anavar, I weigh in @ around 190. I am fairly lean, 50MG ED? Or is that to much...also, how long can I take anavar for...considering that it IS an oral is it toxic on the liver?

I was planning on taking 500MG of sus a week along with probably around 50mg of anavar ED. When I took winstrol i was only taking 150-200 MG per week and that was perfect...what are some good doses of masteron to take?


Also, considering that I can get legit primo, will i notice better gains with anavar at that dosage say over 300mg of primo a week? Also, will i notice better gains taking the anavar over say 400mg of deca per week. To be honest, I have never really been a fan of Deca thus I never bothered trying it. Hoping to get some more info...thanks again guys!
 
BodyBFP...

How are your moods on that stack Bro? I typically use a Test/Winstrol IM cycle every summer... and I've thought of incorporating Masteron, but I get too sensitive when I use strong androgens.
 
wolfs said:
Sounds great, I think that is the mix that I am going to go with an expensive one but I like to make my cycles worth it. For someone who is not to HARDCORE, what is a reasonable dose of Anavar, I weigh in @ around 190. I am fairly lean, 50MG ED? Or is that to much...also, how long can I take anavar for...considering that it IS an oral is it toxic on the liver?

I was planning on taking 500MG of sus a week along with probably around 50mg of anavar ED. When I took winstrol i was only taking 150-200 MG per week and that was perfect...what are some good doses of masteron to take?


Also, considering that I can get legit primo, will i notice better gains with anavar at that dosage say over 300mg of primo a week? Also, will i notice better gains taking the anavar over say 400mg of deca per week. To be honest, I have never really been a fan of Deca thus I never bothered trying it. Hoping to get some more info...thanks again guys!

Your best bet is:

10 Weeks

1. Sustanon: 500mgs/week
2. Anavar: 40mgs/day
3. Masteron: 50mg ED

Ancilliaries: Novaldex 20mg/day + min. 600mg R-ALA/day for the 17-aa anavar.
 
test also drives me mentally insane. i was thinking of running a masteron/deca cycle or masteron/anavar...i dont want masteron to ruin my mind because its an androgen. fonz can you decifer between the androgenic properties between masteron and test?
 
If you are running a pretty good dose of masteron (50-75mg/day) would there be any point to adding winstrol for a precontest stack?
 
Fonz said:
Your best bet is:

10 Weeks

1. Sustanon: 500mgs/week
2. Anavar: 40mgs/day
3. Masteron: 50mg ED

Ancilliaries: Novaldex 20mg/day + min. 600mg R-ALA/day for the 17-aa anavar.

Again FONZ you teach me something new :) What is 600mg R-ALA/day??? How bad is Anavar on the liver...no where near Winstrol is it? How long can this stuff be taken safely for? Winstrol I stop at 6 weeks....can you go 8-10 on Anavar. Again thank you for the great replies.
 
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