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SofaGeorge
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I grew up in the "old school" days of the '70s when martial arts teachers didn't think twice about kicking the shit out of students. I had one Korean teacher who used to walk up to me while I was standing in line and kick me in the gut hard. His attitude was it "toughend " you up an it was part of the training. He dislocated my knee twice in one class... couldn't walk on it normal for months. Back then, you pretty much got hurt every class.
The good thing about it is you stopped caring about little sh-t, and pretty soon you realized it was all little sh-t... even broken bones weren't a big deal.
The only thing I can liken it to was watching a kid get his nose broken... and he got up off the floor and thanked the guy who broke his nose. Why? The kid told the guy he taught him getting his nose broken wasn't a big deal - and now he wouldn't be afraid of fights anymore.
Getting your ass stomped is a good thing. It teaches you it isn't a big deal.
The good thing about it is you stopped caring about little sh-t, and pretty soon you realized it was all little sh-t... even broken bones weren't a big deal.
The only thing I can liken it to was watching a kid get his nose broken... and he got up off the floor and thanked the guy who broke his nose. Why? The kid told the guy he taught him getting his nose broken wasn't a big deal - and now he wouldn't be afraid of fights anymore.
Getting your ass stomped is a good thing. It teaches you it isn't a big deal.
I trained for several years with Rorion,Rickson and Royce Gracie...If you want to know a whole new meaning to pain and and being mangled,follow in my footsteps grasshoppa.
Purple
I trained and competed from 8-21 years of age. Loved it. Traveled all over the US...
I've had quite a few broken bones. Some from hitting them...some from them hitting me.
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I've had quite a few broken bones. Some from hitting them...some from them hitting me.
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SofaGeorge
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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
Purple from Rorion is like mid-level black from anywhere else.
I've known Rorion since the '80s.
This must mean you live in LA.
Nope,Zimbabwe
Rorion is the BEST instructor I have EVER had,of ANY style,hands down.He is phenominal.Breaks down each technique and it's counter into such detail,and teaches you the way to apply the most leverage with the least amount of physical strength.There are better fighters in the family,but I'm not sure there is a better instructor than him.Wonderful guy.
Rorion is the BEST instructor I have EVER had,of ANY style,hands down.He is phenominal.Breaks down each technique and it's counter into such detail,and teaches you the way to apply the most leverage with the least amount of physical strength.There are better fighters in the family,but I'm not sure there is a better instructor than him.Wonderful guy.
p0ink said:
Nope,that's Renzo(their cousin)...Rorion and Rickson are west coast.
Bigsatan13
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Darktooth said:
Yeah, you seem like quite the badass!
Bigsatan13
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Darktooth said:
The truth can be painful.
No need to apologize for gene pool.
casavant
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I bounced with a guy who was 6' 1", 165 pounds. He knew his shit. I grappled with him a few times and took classes under him for just a couple of months. Even though I was immensely more powerful and heavier than him, he would still get the better of me sooner or later when we squared off. It didn't bother me, because I was there to learn and if I could have kicked his ass with no training, I don't think I'd really want to be taking classes under him.
But yeah, it's amazing how much of an advantage a well trained person can have, even when up against someone much bigger.
But yeah, it's amazing how much of an advantage a well trained person can have, even when up against someone much bigger.
circusgirl
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I'm thinking of doing some judo over the summer when the karate club are not training at the uni (i have discount gym membership there).
Or should I do something like jitsu instead? Judo looks like a lot of fun. I'm not interested in doing large amounts of jitsu for sd as I carry a pointy umbrella for that purpose and do sd seminars for learing basic sd techniques.
Martial arts are fun. Great way to get your cardio too.
Or should I do something like jitsu instead? Judo looks like a lot of fun. I'm not interested in doing large amounts of jitsu for sd as I carry a pointy umbrella for that purpose and do sd seminars for learing basic sd techniques.
Martial arts are fun. Great way to get your cardio too.
THeMaCHinE
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Let's see ... my phillipino MMA instructor punched me in the face twice and kicked me in the ribs once during sparring last week; I got some good hits on him too though.
I used to routinely get plenty of full contact damage in South Koren TKD and later, in boxing. I did a little Judo and that was tough too -- very tiring, and lots of mat burns and scratches -- the guard is cool though. I'd like to get back into it sometime and really learn ground fighting.
I used to routinely get plenty of full contact damage in South Koren TKD and later, in boxing. I did a little Judo and that was tough too -- very tiring, and lots of mat burns and scratches -- the guard is cool though. I'd like to get back into it sometime and really learn ground fighting.
SofaGeorge
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danielson said:
Oh boy does that bring back a wonderful memory.
I had a total psycho teacher when I was in high school. The guy was as bad ass as they come... actually had a steel plate in his head. He didn't believe in doing anything halfway. Hence, when he did weapons training, i.e., disarming a guy with a knife - he made us use real knives. (Nowadays candyass classes use rubber knives.) His attitude was if we got cut a couple times it would teach us to be smart. I've got scars, lots of scars, on my hands and feet from f-ck ups in class.
The school was called Lung Ku. It was some wierd ass Chinese family style... really an ugly system... totally brutal... things like head butts to the face... graples to dislocate shoulders... all teh eye gouges.
He was right, though. Training with real knives taught us a lot faster than if we had been using rubber toys. You got better because you didn't want to get stitches.
THeMaCHinE
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Although not as extreme, that was the mentality of my South Korean TKD instructor. Used to nick us with swords, break boards over our heads, check our fingernails for grooming, make us run headfirst into the heavy bag, beat the piss out of us in sparring, etc.
XBiker
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casavant said:I bounced with a guy who was 6' 1", 165 pounds. He knew his shit. I grappled with him a few times and took classes under him for just a couple of months. Even though I was immensely more powerful and heavier than him, he would still get the better of me sooner or later when we squared off. It didn't bother me, because I was there to learn and if I could have kicked his ass with no training, I don't think I'd really want to be taking classes under him.
But yeah, it's amazing how much of an advantage a well trained person can have, even when up against someone much bigger.
Technique will always win over size and strength.
THeMaCHinE
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XBiker said:
Not always, but it sure does give the smaller guys a sporting chance at least
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THeMaCHinE said:
Not always, but it sure does give the smaller guys a sporting chance at least
95+ % of the time, the fighter with better skills, training and technique will win.
I personally saw a guy I use to roll with hand a heavy weight his first tournament loss ever.
Our guy was 165 or so. The heavyweight was 210 or better.
Middleweight knew better than to try and muscle him so he locked up with the guy, use big man's weight against him and beat him 1-0 (on points) with simple sweep.
It was beautiful. Everytime the big guy pushed, our gujy pulled. Everytime hoss pulled our guy pushed, posted, stepped and countered. The big guy was so used to throwing guys around he had no idea what to do when his own weight was used against him.
SofaGeorge
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danielson said:
we use metal knives (kris).......they are dulled though!! real knives is f-ing hardcore!! i need my hands for the rest of my life so i dont think i could push it any further than i have, other than more controlled conditioning
It sounds horrifying... but in reality when you screw up you just get a nick or little slash... not any worse than you get cutting a tomato in the kitchen. You never got six inches of steel buried in your gut.
The only minorly bad one I've got is a scar across my foot where like a dumb ass I tried to kick the knife to disarm the guy. I learned something big that time. Kick the guy - not the knife.
THeMaCHinE
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XBiker said:
All things being equal, I don't disagree -- especially in a tournament situation.
I was being somewhat lighthearted, but I think there is a grain of truth in that sometimes the best ring/class/tournament fighters will fall apart during real world situations and that a large physical mismatch only potentiates these situations.
Not saying that the skills don't help, or that they won't give the guy the opportunity to win, but that there really isn't an "always" ...
THeMaCHinE said:
I got my first Black Belt in South Korean TKD...and my instructor used to do the same to me. Well...he did that and years later he refused to even sparr with me. He was more than happy to let his Black Belts get their tails whipped by my yellow, orange, and blue belts...but refused to even get near me in the ring. It was quite funny...especially because a grown man wouldn't sparr with a 17 year old.
No...I would not have intentionally beat the tar out of him...he was a nice guy and we just disagreed GREATLY on sparring/training/instructing issues. He was closed minded about things and I was not...and I have come out on top in the end. His TKD school is basically a Day Care service where you get exercise and buy an overpriced uniform. You can also sign a contract (and pay upfront) and get your black belt in 1.5 years...GUARANTEED...without ever sparring.
Funny...I made my students compete to go from beginner to intermediate then to advanced...and be TOP QUALITY to be a Black Belt. I trained people for 7 years and only gave 1 black belt. He was a purple belt at the time and I gave him his black belt, told him that he had earned it...and it was his whenever he wanted it. He kept it on his shelf for another year then one day asked me to put it on him...he earned it.
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SofaGeorge
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b fold the truth said:
That's the gospel. If you don't compete against another person you don't get good. You can kick in the air and train on the heavy bag all you want, but you don't get good unless you train competing against people... preferably people who are better than you.
I agree with sofa... you really need to get the shit stomped out of you once to lose your fear of being hurt in a fight. Most (90%) of people fight in defensive mode all the time, even when attacking someone... you have to take it for granted that you are going to take a fist to the face sooner or later and you best stop worrying about it before you do yourself in and take it sooner. It is not until you have had the beat down of your life before you realize that one blow to the face is nothing. It is normally after you get hit that you flinch, duck, get dazed and lose focus in the fight... that is when the real hurt comes about.
I studied jeet and jitsu for 4 summers (two summers each) in high school. Both have advantages and disadvantages. My overall principle now relies on simply well placed and connecting hits. One well connected hit is worth 4 flailing lucky shots you may get in. If I connect, something is going to break. That is not any doubt on that. When I got jumped by that retard last year, his eye socket was crushed and his cheek bone was cracked from me hitting him. Not to mention that when I kicked him dead in the face when he was on the ground, he nose broke and the cartilage was jutting out of his nostril.
I studied jeet and jitsu for 4 summers (two summers each) in high school. Both have advantages and disadvantages. My overall principle now relies on simply well placed and connecting hits. One well connected hit is worth 4 flailing lucky shots you may get in. If I connect, something is going to break. That is not any doubt on that. When I got jumped by that retard last year, his eye socket was crushed and his cheek bone was cracked from me hitting him. Not to mention that when I kicked him dead in the face when he was on the ground, he nose broke and the cartilage was jutting out of his nostril.
circusgirl
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SofaGeorge said:
Train against people better than you, and you learn to fly. Through the air, on the end of thier side kick.
Also, train with people your size and weight. I tended to end up training with the other women in the dojo a lot and they were all about 3 inches shorter and a lot lighter.
I got my ass whupped good in my first tourney against somone as large as me, I could no longer just block her side kicks, as she packed a serious punch!
Darktooth said:
LOL greeeaattt.... what are they, just bacteria? or are they really small worms that breed in your skin?
Skin fungus. It is the same family of parasites that cause atheletes foot. So if you touch it and touch another part of your body... very strong possibility you can transfer it.
In college there was one guy that battled it for over 2 years... he used the the Tinactin spray, the lotrimin cream, etc... It would simply move from one part of his body to another. He often had 2-5 ringworms going on at the same time... started out like a small bump (whitehead) and then got bigger and turned red.... he had to go on Lamisil tablets for 2 months to get rid of it completely. It was traveling through his body from one host site to the next.
If you get one on your body.... use Lamisil spray and continue to use it for 2 weeks AFTER it is no longer visible. That way you kill anything that is in it's incubation period.
p0ink
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darktooth,
i used to get some shit to help avoid getting nasty infections. it's this aerosol can that sprays out this foam, that you rub on all of the major exposed areas of your skin. wrestlers uses it to help prevent the spread of ringworm. so if you are that worried, go pick up a can.
personally, i would worry more about everyone bleeding and having open wounds from mat burns.
i used to get some shit to help avoid getting nasty infections. it's this aerosol can that sprays out this foam, that you rub on all of the major exposed areas of your skin. wrestlers uses it to help prevent the spread of ringworm. so if you are that worried, go pick up a can.
personally, i would worry more about everyone bleeding and having open wounds from mat burns.
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