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I stumbled upon the interesting article. I know there are some very controversial opinions out there on this topic. I hope this sheds some light on the issue.






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Anabolic Research

By William Llewellyn

Marijuana and Bodybuilding: The Scope on Dope

Weed, herb, grass, green, bud, crops, hydro, dope, chronic; there are many names for the drug marijuana and seemingly as many opinions about its potential benefits, risks and therapeutic uses. Marijuana has been a subtly ingrained part of many cultures throughout recorded history and remains the recreational drug most widely used in most Western countries today. The debates over the illegality and use of marijuana are seemingly without end and are subjects I won’t attempt to cover here. Instead, I would like to look at the use of pot in bodybuilding— or more specifically, if and how the use of this drug may affect your ability to gain muscle.
I receive many questions about this and can see in reading them there are many popular beliefs concerning this drug and muscle growth. In this issue I thought it would be a good idea to examine some of these beliefs and address them with the relevant medical research. In doing so, we’ll see that while some appear to have foundation in fact, others don’t. Pack a bowl and chill all you smokers out there— it’s time to review this controversial subject a little more closely.

THC and T
The best place to start is with one of the most talked about effects of marijuana— its supposed ability to suppress testosterone. Since testosterone is one of our primary anabolic hormones, suppression of its levels would obviously be an unwelcome effect when it comes to building muscle. We men like testosterone and tend to look for ways to increase levels, not suppress them. If weed is really a hormone killer, it would certainly stand to reason it could kill your gains as well. So where exactly does the research stand in this regard? Is weed really tantamount to smoked castration? There are three studies I want to highlight and I think they do a good job of tying things together.
The first study was conducted in the mid-1980s and involved four healthy male subjects (non-smokers) who were given different amounts of marijuana (one or two joints with 2.8 percent THC) to smoke on two separate days, after which point its effects on hormone profiles (prolactin, FSH, LH, cortisol, testosterone, free testosterone and growth hormone) were measured.1 The effects of this study were fairly clear. In these four cases, marijuana smoking caused a significant drop in LH and a slight, but not significant, drop in FSH, prolactin and free and total testosterone (they remained within normal ranges). GH and cortisol were elevated slightly. These results would lead one to believe that marijuana is a bad thing to do when it comes to testosterone and might not be the best for bodybuilding. However, we must remember that this study involves subjects who don’t regularly smoke marijuana. In our case we want to know what regular smoking will do to you, not just smoking a joint one night at a party, as it would take regular use to interfere with your daily progress.
Our next study shows the effects of regular use. It involved 25 healthy regular male marijuana smokers, whom were all students at the sponsoring university.2 All of the subjects smoked marijuana at least once per week, with an average of approximately 5.1 joints per week each. The researchers here took blood samples from these smokers and compared their hormone profiles to those from a group of 13 similarly-aged, non-smoking control subjects. The marijuana smokers were shown to have levels of plasma testosterone that were normal for their ages and the exact measures weren’t significantly different from the control group. No differences could be observed. The study shows us that the effects marijuana has on hormone levels seem to weaken with regular use. While the occasional user notices some discernable changes in hormone levels, these changes don’t seem to be found in regular users.
Lastly, there was another good study published in 1991 that lets us look at the effects of regular marijuana smoking on hormone production.3 The study has the largest population of participants, with 149 people (93 men and 56 women). The mean age was 23.5 years. The various subjects were stratified into groups depending on their level of marijuana smoking (frequent, moderate, infrequent). About half the subjects smoked no marijuana and served as the control group. When all of the blood work was compared, even chronic marijuana use was shown to have no significant effect on hormone concentrations, in either men or women, when compared to those of non-smoking controls. The bottom line, at least given the research we’ve seen so far, suggests that a single smoking episode might slightly lower certain hormone levels (and may raise others), but that these effects seems to diminish with any type of regular use, such that regular smoking probably doesn’t cause a real and lasting suppression of serum testosterone. If there’s any weak suppression there, it isn’t strong enough to show up with any statistical significance in these studies.

THC and E
Now on to one of the next most talked about aspects of marijuana— its inherent estrogenic activity. Everyone knows that smoking pot makes men cry during sad movies and grow breasts like they were stacking Anadrol® with counterfeit Nolvadex, right? I won’t go that far, but marijuana being an estrogen is a persistent “factoid” that seems to pop up whenever someone broaches the subject. Although its being estrogenic wouldn’t necessarily hinder one’s ability to grow muscle (if anything, estrogen has a slight level of anabolic synergy with androgens), it definitely is an enemy to lean mass (estrogen tends to support body fat storage). The theory then stands that marijuana will make you fat and increase the likelihood of gynecomastia during steroid cycles. So, is this little factoid of the “weed estrogen” true? As we’ve seen with testosterone, the answer seems to be a little bit “yes” and a little bit “no.”
The first study is a very recent one, published in the journal Toxicology.4 It comprised a number of in vitro investigations, in which various rat cells were incubated with a variety of marijuana extracts in order to examine their biological activity. The effects these extracts had on steroid metabolism and cell proliferation were measured and discussed. Several enzymes involved in testosterone and androstenedione metabolism were inhibited by the extracts and additionally an estrogenic effect was found. This would seem to support the estrogen marijuana theory. We must keep in mind, however, this is an in vitro incubation study. We need to look at in vivo (live animal models) to get a better picture of what this actually could mean to human smokers.
A second study published in the early 1980s is perhaps more detailed.5 It was completed in two parts, the first being an in vitro examination into the receptor-binding capabilities of various (over a dozen) marijuana constituents. The study pointed out several cannabinoids that bound the estrogen receptor, a trait also shared by condensed marijuana smoke. To determine what, if any, was the biological significance of this, a second in vivo study was undertaken. It involved giving immature rats very large doses of marijuana extract and determining if any estrogenic effect became apparent in tissue growth patterns. During this study, no estrogenic or anti-estrogenic effect was shown. The investigators were left to conclude that while in vitro incubations show estrogenic activity inherent in marijuana smoke and certain cannabinoids, they don’t have significant biological effect in vivo. The fact that previously cited studies on hormone levels also failed to show any notable testosterone suppression (an effect of elevated estrogen) seems to strongly support this conclusion.

The Munchies
One fact difficult to dispute about marijuana is that its use tends to increase appetite. While countless Americans search for effective appetite suppressants to help them eat less and lose weight, many bodybuilders find themselves in exactly the opposite situation. They find the weak link in their program is their diet, namely an inability to eat enough food to grow optimally. For this group an appetite stimulant can be an invaluable tool. At least for some, marijuana is that tool. Looking at the medical studies for figures, it’s easy to see why. One telling study was published in the late 1980s and involved a group of six male volunteers whom were given marijuana to smoke while placed in a controlled laboratory environment for 13 days.6 Food intake was carefully monitored during the experiment. While the subjects were smoking marijuana, total caloric intake increased by a substantial 40 percent. The rise was due to the increased frequency of between-meal snacking and not increased consumption during normal meals.
Another study of relevance involved the gathering and comparing of data from a large number of smoking and non-smoking subjects.7 It too demonstrated that marijuana smokers consumed more calories per day on average than non-smokers. The odd thing here, however, was that the body mass index (BMI) values for smokers tended to be lower than those of non-marijuana-smokers (clearly the effect marijuana has on metabolism needs further investigation). There are numerous other studies we could reference, all pointing to the same fact we already know: marijuana increases appetite. At least to some bodybuilders, this is a positive thing.

Observations and Conclusions
The medical literature can help us a great deal and at this point has given us some important information. However, I believe this is a subject that needs the attention of anecdotal information as well. On this note I can say I personally have known many bodybuilders, some smokers and many others not. I’ve trained with guys that would puff bowls between sets and I’ve trained with the strictest of anti-drug advocates. I’ve smoked a joint or two of my own as well. In all my interactions, observations and experiences, I can’t say I’ve ever been able to notice anything specific about smoking marijuana that really was helpful or harmful when it came to gaining muscle. Indeed some of the guys I’ve known really were aided in their bulking by smoking and eating more. At the same time I’ve seen others lose motivation to train when they smoked too often. Aside from that, I don’t believe I’ve ever noticed it harm or help anyone’s physique much.
The subject of how this drug affects the body is a very complex one and as of yet there’s still a bit of conflicting data and no general consensus among scientists concerning many of its effects and health risks. However, we do know a lot more today than we did 20 or 30 years ago and have enough information to answer some of our relevant questions. I hope I was able to do some of that here today. I know this is a very controversial topic and one that elicits many strong feelings on all sides of the argument. I will close saying simply that for the purpose of this article there is no right or wrong when it comes to marijuana and bodybuilding. I think it’s more a question of if it’s right or wrong for the individual: you.

References

Acute effects of smoking marijuana on hormones, subjective effects and performance in male human subjects. Pharmacol Biochem Behav, 1986. June; 24(6):1749-54
Plasma testosterone levels in healthy male marijuana smokers. Am J Drug Alcohol Abuse, 1975;2(2):269-75
Effects of chronic marijuana use on testosterone, luteinizing hormone, follicle stimulating hormone, prolactin and cortisol in men and women. Drug Alcohol Depend, 1991 Aug;28(2):121-8
Marijuana extracts possess the effects like the endocrine disrupting chemicals. Toxicology, 2005 Jan 31;206(3):471-8
Marijuana: interaction with the estrogen receptor. J Pharmacol Exp Ther, 1983 Feb;224(2):404-7.
Effects of smoked marijuana on food intake and body weight of humans living in a residential laboratory. Appetite, 1988 Aug;11(1)1-14.
Dietary intake and nutritional status of US adult marijuana users: result from the Third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey. Public Health Nutr, 2001 June 4(3);781-6.
 
Pot makes you lazy. That is my biggest problem with it, is that it is a motivation killer and an impediment to action... Pot smokers "think" a lot, about everything, but do much of nothing about anything.



Put the joint down son!
 
Pot makes you lazy. That is my biggest problem with it, is that it is a motivation killer and an impediment to action... Pot smokers "think" a lot, about everything, but do much of nothing about anything.



Put the joint down son!

Redsamurai disagrees vehemently!
 
Different strains make you more or less lazy.
Some make me just want to sink in the couch, some makes me get stuff done.
Experiment with different strains.
 
I have to be on my way to do something if I smoke and want to follow through. I was a chronic smoker for 8 years, multiple times every day. I quit a few months back and it helped me straighten my diet out. I would always just get those munchies and want something tasty haha. Now, I hit the occasional J at a get together or something. But no more multiple times a day, everyday smokin' for me anymore.

On the other hand, I do like how it expanded my mind.
 
I have to be on my way to do something if I smoke and want to follow through. I was a chronic smoker for 8 years, multiple times every day. I quit a few months back and it helped me straighten my diet out. I would always just get those munchies and want something tasty haha. Now, I hit the occasional J at a get together or something. But no more multiple times a day, everyday smokin' for me anymore.

On the other hand, I do like how it expanded my mind.


Good response, all round, I liked it.
 
Pot makes you lazy. That is my biggest problem with it, is that it is a motivation killer and an impediment to action... Pot smokers "think" a lot, about everything, but do much of nothing about anything.



Put the joint down son!

My feelings too. Ive never seen anything kill motivation and focus quicker. Occasional use is one thing but daily use
is a bad idea in my opinion.
 
It amazes me that the dea has pot as a schedule 1 and coke and morphine
Schedule 2....

So the government is saying pot is a harder drug then coke...
Crazy

Sorry for the rant
 
If you are the person who gets lazy when you are high than stay away from it.... Now me on the other hand... Hmmm Let me ask you guys. Would you want me high as hell running around giving the advice I do? Exactly I cant fuck with peoples lives like that so I stay away from most drugs unless on vacation Than I kill it the entire time till I am back lmao..
 
Pot effects different people different ways. And it can be absorbed through different pathways.. which have different effects. Its been around for like 10,000 years.. And was only made illegal by the US Gov. because they needed to give DEA a job after they decided to control the import of coke and heroin. As a result, it's conveniently become valuable (It wouldnt be otherwise because well.. true to its nickname 'weed' it grows.. easily.) and now they've started gaining revenue off controlling its import as-well. Why do you think California decided to take a chunk of that pie? They want money.

Pot/Tabaco are made up of the same basical chemical structure with a few minor changes (THCvsNicotine) yet, in studies pot doesnt end up causing cancers or diseases. Rather it lowers your chance of getting them. In the end.. There are NO long term negative side effects to pot. Besides some short term memory loss from heavy use that goes away when stopped, the only really thing you have to gauge is how it effects you as a person. If used and not abused (though the potential for abuse in extreme cases is low as the amount required to OD on is 40,000x the amount required to get you 'high' unlike alcohols 1 to 10 ratio.) I think everyone should give it a shot at least once. Its really part of human nature. It used to be vital to win wars, and to keep people happy, and is a sacrament in many religions around the world.

For body building I'd rcmd trying a vaporizer. I hear it gives a great head high, but not a body high. Perfect for keeping motivated. I know several who even work out high. Some people get more focused on it.

It was legal in the USA... Americas founding fathers openly smoked it... Its just a bit stigmatized these days for political reasons. Money is power.
 
I've smoked puff (pot, blow, weed, etc...) for nearly 2 decades, I don't get muchies from it, I find if I smoke before I train I'm useless. Strength, speed stamina.. It all goes to pot (pun intended) also I've noticed if I smoke it before I go to sleep the quality of my sleep is reduced. It also seriously dehydrates me!

Having said all that I've never noticed any long term or permanent effects, as soon as it wears off you're pretty much back to normal. When I was younger I could train whilst puffing a joint between rounds! Although my perormance would be sluggish to say the least.

It can affect different people at different dosages, the study posted by the OP I think included a max use of 5.1 joints a day?? How much is in one joint? I put in 3 times what most of my mates do but less than half what the kids do these days. I've known peeps that could inhale a bonfire and others who got sick off one puff...

If you're gonna use it, eperiment with your tolerance and use it accordingly.

:artist:
 
It amazes me that the dea has pot as a schedule 1 and coke and morphine
Schedule 2....

So the government is saying pot is a harder drug then coke...
Crazy

Sorry for the rant


This is because pot can be an alternative treatment for over a dozen different medications. Just the sheer amount of cash coming out of pharmaceutical company's hands and back into the small boutique dispensary and ornamental grower.

For those of you who say "pot makes me more active", while this may be true in YOUR case, there is still the reality that you will be a fumbling mess of a fool the whole time you are doing your activity. Yeah, you may be able to "work" more to be more "active" but your performance of these activities will be greatly impaired, to the point where it may take you 2 to even 3 times as long to complete the same simple tasks, while doing a shitty job of it.

Pot has a time and place in people's lives, and daily use is NOT part of the life of an achiever.


-BRR
 
I think it's all chemical balance. My oldest friend smokes it and is always bouncing off the walls. He is MR MOTIVATION. he seriously could be a motivational speaker. You can't tell he's high at all. If he dosnt smoke his head is cluttered and can't think straight. when he does it's like all his thaughts line up and be can sort through them but still runs a mil miles an hr. I don't smoke it and am a crabby little bitch during early morning sets...unless I have some Vicodin.......anybody got some Vicodin? Lol
 
I think it's all chemical balance. My oldest friend smokes it and is always bouncing off the walls. He is MR MOTIVATION. he seriously could be a motivational speaker. You can't tell he's high at all. If he dosnt smoke his head is cluttered and can't think straight. when he does it's like all his thaughts line up and be can sort through them but still runs a mil miles an hr. I don't smoke it and am a crabby little bitch during early morning sets...unless I have some Vicodin.......anybody got some Vicodin? Lol

Lol. Have you ever tried it? I bet it would help with the crabbiness :biggrin:
 
But I do feel all drugs should be decriminalized... If cigs and alcohol are legal
Everything should be...
But it will never happen to much revenu is maid off of illegal drugs...
About 55% of inmates in state and federal prison are there on drug related
offense ...
 
But I do feel all drugs should be decriminalized... If cigs and alcohol are legal
Everything should be...
But it will never happen to much revenu is maid off of illegal drugs...
About 55% of inmates in state and federal prison are there on drug related
offense ...

That doesn't really make sense. The biggest revenue would come from legalization and taxation.
Enforcing drug laws and incarcerating users costs the government a ton of money. It's not a revenue generator.
 
That doesn't really make sense. The biggest revenue would come from legalization and taxation.
Enforcing drug laws and incarcerating users costs the government a ton of money. It's not a revenue generator.

Biggest revenue to who? - Yes to the US Gov it would be a great profit maker. Taxes UP, money spent on enforcement and jails DOWN - fuck yeah....... But not to the private businesses like Pharmaceutical companies and private jails, it would kill their revenue severely... Decriminalization of pot can replace a bunch of prescription meds, and leave too many vacant jail cells. Those private companies are whom the politicians are really working for.


:worried:
 
Biggest revenue to who? - Yes to the US Gov it would be a great profit maker. Taxes UP, money spent on enforcement and jails DOWN - fuck yeah....... But not to the private businesses like Pharmaceutical companies and private jails, it would kill their revenue severely... Decriminalization of pot can replace a bunch of prescription meds, and leave too many vacant jail cells. Those private companies are whom the politicians are really working for.


:worried:

Ok, that's an interesting point, but I really don't see legalization cutting into big pharma profits. They are making dough off cholesterol and ED meds, etc. What products exactly would be hurt by weed legalization? Anti-depresssants? Once it's legal, it still can't be used legally until the FDA approves the use, after years of testing to prove safety and efficacy.
And you bring up vacant jail cells like the previous poster, which does not hurt anyone's profits, unless you are talking about privately owned jails.
I don't doubt there is an anti-legalization lobby, but politicians will not have the balls to vote for legalization until public opinion sways so far to that side that they are preaching legalization in church.
 
What products exactly would be hurt by weed legalization?

In my opinion, lots. Weed can be an almost cure all for some. Nausea, pain, anxiety, high blood pressure, add, ADHD, OCD, depression, delayed sleep phase syndrome, insomnia, arthritis and the list goes on and on. Just these few examples would knock about 100 "FDA Approved" medications right off the shelves given there horrible possible side effects and weeds lack there of. Now that wouldn't happen over night of course due to the countries demonized view of weed but in a generation or so it would. The FDA is one of if not THE most evil groups in my opinion and they ain't gonna let a penny slip by them. There butt lickers.
 
Weed increase blood pressure in most people because it slows heart rate. The body responds by increasing blood pressure to maintain proper flow.
I say in most, because there are always exceptions. And again, with the strains, different strains of marijuana affect different people, in different ways. But most of the time, blood pressure increase, while heart rate slows.
That would be one concern about using it on cycle. Make sure you have BP supps.
 
I've been high for the 20 years and after reading this thread.......I QUIT! Time to see what the world looks like sober cause I don't remember.
 
Great discussion! I have always been a lil curious as to how weed affects hormone levels! Good to know it wont affect me much. Ive been smokin for a few years and never had any issues with bp while smokin and doin a few cycles at the same time... so glad to be an exception! By the way, needto is a god send with all these great phs! LOVIN the diesel im on right now!
 
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