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If you go to www.t-mag.com you'll find all the info that is available. Or go to www.biotestedge.com I usually read T-mag every week and overall I'm happy with their product line. They do hype stuff to the N'th degree, but then again so does every other supplement company.
However, I did pre-order Mag-10. Why? Because Biotest has been working on finding a product like this for a LONG time. I believe this probably is the pinnacle of supplements. Androsol was a very potent product in my opinion, and if they say Mag-10 makes Androsol obsolete, that kind of pisses me off. It's like they are saying Androsol wasn't that good. But I also see the other side of the story. If this is true, Mag-10 has got to be incredible.
Sorry if it seemed like I was plugging Biotest, but I'm very excited about getting this and trying it. By the way, for those of you who don't know me, I'm not just some begginner wannabe bodybuilder. I've been training and eating seriously for about 5 years now and I take this sport/hobby very seriously.
If you go to www.t-mag.com you'll find all the info that is available. Or go to www.biotestedge.com I usually read T-mag every week and overall I'm happy with their product line. They do hype stuff to the N'th degree, but then again so does every other supplement company.
However, I did pre-order Mag-10. Why? Because Biotest has been working on finding a product like this for a LONG time. I believe this probably is the pinnacle of supplements. Androsol was a very potent product in my opinion, and if they say Mag-10 makes Androsol obsolete, that kind of pisses me off. It's like they are saying Androsol wasn't that good. But I also see the other side of the story. If this is true, Mag-10 has got to be incredible.
Sorry if it seemed like I was plugging Biotest, but I'm very excited about getting this and trying it. By the way, for those of you who don't know me, I'm not just some begginner wannabe bodybuilder. I've been training and eating seriously for about 5 years now and I take this sport/hobby very seriously.
I emailed Pat Arnold to ask him what he thought about MAG-10. I also was going to bitch him out for not applying for a patent on 1-Testosterone. This was before I re-read the article and realized that T-mag filed a patent for Androst-1-ene ethylcarbonate ester which I think is 1-Testosterone with the added ester.
Me: Please say you filed a patent for 1-testosterone before these idiots did? I know you mentioned on Google that it is legal to produce, so I would hope this is the case
Pat: "I did not apply for a 1-test patent because it is a hormone that was already studied by pharmcological companies years ago. so its not a novel invention and cannot be patented"
Me: "By the way, what do you think of Mag-10 and what is on the horizon as far as innovattion."
Pat: "Mag-10 looks to me like t-mag is just copying the innovations that i made and altering them to make them look like their own. I see no evidence provided that their alterations change the efficacy of the compounds one bit. i guess i am flattered at the attempted imitation"
2nd email:
Me: Thanks!! My stomach feels a little better now. You know I really got a kick out of this part of the article.
"Now, others have attempted to provide Androst-1-ene by manufacturing Androst-1-ene prohormones (not pro-steroids)."
Me: Gee, wonder who they are talking about?
"The first such product was 1-androstenedione. Like 4-androstenedione, it's inherently inactive, which is a real disadvantage, but some small amount of it could convert to Androst-1-ene."
Me: So small that they had to write an article to trash it because it was (probably still is) kicking there asses!!
"All in all, 1- androstenedione is nothing we'd ever consider using — too little of it converts to Androst-1-ene to allow much anabolic effect, and the great majority that doesn't convert is completely inactive and wasted."
ME: But they will produce Tribex and Methoxy-7! Ironic huh?
"Basically, this product flopped, and was swiftly replaced with 1-androstenediol (1-AD), with the hope that the conversion would be more efficient. 1-AD is somewhat better than 1-androstenedione, but it's still not very potent"
Me: I thought you changed to diol because of the irritation issues with the dione. Oh, well, you learn something every day reading T-mag.
Don't get me wrong, MAG-10 sounds very intereting from the info that they present, but personally, alot of people will have to pack on alot of pound before I would shell out any money to biotest after the exagerations that they have come up with.
Megadeth
Me: Please say you filed a patent for 1-testosterone before these idiots did? I know you mentioned on Google that it is legal to produce, so I would hope this is the case
Pat: "I did not apply for a 1-test patent because it is a hormone that was already studied by pharmcological companies years ago. so its not a novel invention and cannot be patented"
Me: "By the way, what do you think of Mag-10 and what is on the horizon as far as innovattion."
Pat: "Mag-10 looks to me like t-mag is just copying the innovations that i made and altering them to make them look like their own. I see no evidence provided that their alterations change the efficacy of the compounds one bit. i guess i am flattered at the attempted imitation"
2nd email:
Me: Thanks!! My stomach feels a little better now. You know I really got a kick out of this part of the article.
"Now, others have attempted to provide Androst-1-ene by manufacturing Androst-1-ene prohormones (not pro-steroids)."
Me: Gee, wonder who they are talking about?
"The first such product was 1-androstenedione. Like 4-androstenedione, it's inherently inactive, which is a real disadvantage, but some small amount of it could convert to Androst-1-ene."
Me: So small that they had to write an article to trash it because it was (probably still is) kicking there asses!!
"All in all, 1- androstenedione is nothing we'd ever consider using — too little of it converts to Androst-1-ene to allow much anabolic effect, and the great majority that doesn't convert is completely inactive and wasted."
ME: But they will produce Tribex and Methoxy-7! Ironic huh?
"Basically, this product flopped, and was swiftly replaced with 1-androstenediol (1-AD), with the hope that the conversion would be more efficient. 1-AD is somewhat better than 1-androstenedione, but it's still not very potent"
Me: I thought you changed to diol because of the irritation issues with the dione. Oh, well, you learn something every day reading T-mag.
Don't get me wrong, MAG-10 sounds very intereting from the info that they present, but personally, alot of people will have to pack on alot of pound before I would shell out any money to biotest after the exagerations that they have come up with.
Megadeth
Handsome Pete
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Well, I fell for the hype and bought it. I was happy with 1-AD but, like many of you, wasn't too thrilled with all of the stomach problems that went along with it. Let's just say that I had to stack 1-AD with Immodium AD. Hmmm...
Anyway, when I get it (if I get it - in 8 weeks or so), I'll keep you posted on the results.
I'm all too happy to be your guinea pig.
Anyway, when I get it (if I get it - in 8 weeks or so), I'll keep you posted on the results.
I'm all too happy to be your guinea pig.
Distortion
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i was reading about this too, it looks awsome. I still dont know if i should try PH or not. If you order it now i dont think you'll get it till another 8 weeks, if some people take it PLEASE, post ur results for everyone, we're all wonderin
Gymdawg, if I read the article on T-mag right, a bottle of MAG-10 should last about two weeks, with a recommended cycle being 2 to 8 weeks (why does that sound like a SWAG on their part?) That'd put a 6-week cycle at $200 (using the buy 2, get 1 free deal.) Will be interesting to see if DPS is able to beat that price - their prices on some things (Tribex, for one) on single-bottle purchases are better than Biotest's buy2/1free price. Pre-orders won't ship for at least eight weeks.
I'll probably put in a pre-order tomorrow - I have to admit I'm curious, and I've been happy with most Biotest products (although I never saw diddly from Methoxy.) Glad it's an oral - the whole spraying-with-Androsol thing is just a pain in the butt and dries my skin out big time. The timing will just about be perfect, since I want to go off my long-term diet at Christmas for 4-6 weeks and go for some gains. Will post my results, maybe even break out the ol' digital camera.
I'll probably put in a pre-order tomorrow - I have to admit I'm curious, and I've been happy with most Biotest products (although I never saw diddly from Methoxy.) Glad it's an oral - the whole spraying-with-Androsol thing is just a pain in the butt and dries my skin out big time. The timing will just about be perfect, since I want to go off my long-term diet at Christmas for 4-6 weeks and go for some gains. Will post my results, maybe even break out the ol' digital camera.
Distortion
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ya this is all just pre-order now.. if i wait to order it in like maybe 8 weeks, will i have to wait another 8 weeks to get it? or by then should it be readily available?
Distortion
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i've never done a PH cycle, but looking at this.. jeez. I alway go back in forth, the main reason i dont want to take PH is cuz the extra estrogen will stunt my growth most likely. but it says it has minamal estrogen effects... would a few weeks of this stuff really fuck me up
well I could get some gear faster than this, and do a cycle for less cash, but yet my curiousity has gotten the better of me and will wait to see any real results from this product, I'm sure all the natural BB and myself are hoping for a product that works, because I'm sure people are tired of throwing their hard earned cash out the window for bullshit supplements that never even come close to their claims PERIOD!!!!
thanks bro's
the dawg!
thanks bro's
the dawg!
riskybizz007
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100 bucks a pop sounds way too expensive.
Look at Paradeca!! 110 bucks a bottle and what does everyone whose tried it say? It sucked bigtime.
just be careful.
Look at Paradeca!! 110 bucks a bottle and what does everyone whose tried it say? It sucked bigtime.
just be careful.
riskybizz007
New member
i know even the honest ones are at times full of shit. You got to be if you want to sell more of your stuff. So what's everyone's take on Mag10? And i can't wait to hear some results from it.
All i'm saying is look at androstedione, methoxyflavone, ecdysterone, ipriflavone, tribulus, paradeca, HMB, etc etc etc. What do they all have in common? Past hype and no results in users. Their claim = you need very high doses, most i've tried w/ very high doses and got nothing but an empty wallet. So i hope this is not the next "methoxy" or "ecd" and starts ripping everyone off.
All i'm saying is look at androstedione, methoxyflavone, ecdysterone, ipriflavone, tribulus, paradeca, HMB, etc etc etc. What do they all have in common? Past hype and no results in users. Their claim = you need very high doses, most i've tried w/ very high doses and got nothing but an empty wallet. So i hope this is not the next "methoxy" or "ecd" and starts ripping everyone off.
It sure as hell better not be a flop or a dud!! Not at that price anyway. I'd say Androsol was a pretty good deal for the results it could produce. Mag-10's results better be as much better as they say, otherwise I'll be getting my money back on the product. It is too expensive to be dissapointed. I will be gauging my results more carefully than I ever have with any diet or supplement or training program.
OVRTrainer
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Yeah, their claims must have some merit as they are as outrageous as the RedBull commercials except the Biotest guys are serious. I think that this product must be exceptable for 3 reasons:
1. If it is not no one will ever buy anything from them again because they will be awarded the gold medal for overhyping a product
2. They offer a "money back guarantee" though they call you first to try and talk you out of it
3. This shit is so expensive, they will really risk acquiring a bad reputation by putting out a product that costs $300 for 8 weeks
1. If it is not no one will ever buy anything from them again because they will be awarded the gold medal for overhyping a product
2. They offer a "money back guarantee" though they call you first to try and talk you out of it
3. This shit is so expensive, they will really risk acquiring a bad reputation by putting out a product that costs $300 for 8 weeks
riskybizz007
New member
the money back guarantee is not new. Other people have been pissed and tried to get their money back on their products and they give them the run around and end up not giving people their money back. I forgot what product they had out last time that they said they would give their money back. People here on the boards were trying to get their money back and biotest said no, and fed them excuse after excuse.
riskybizz007
New member
well i just read T-mag and their point on MAG10. Makes me want to go buy that crap a.s.a.p. in the back of your mind i'm thinking... they've overhyped everything and flamed their competition to crappy products, but on the other token... still makes you wonder if this is actually it. And will it work? Guess time will tell.
Hey guys I'm all for a supp that does what it says it will do but lets not forget how many times we've all heard this one's for real just to find out it wasn't even close. The reason supp companies can continue to make products that aren't effective is because we continue to buy them. If this one's for real then great but personally I will wait to hear from real users who can talk about real results before I even think about using the money I would normally spend on strippers to buy another magical bullet.
javaguru
Banned
They've also said the 1-AD-EC or whatever is equivelant to 1000 mg of primo a week at the high end dosage recommendation. IMO, I have a hard time believing it but on the other hand I wish it were true. I guess I'll wait for user feedback before passing judgement. I got good results from Androsol, not 500mg/week of sust results but they were good.
Handsome Pete
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They really bash 1-AD on their website, which I don't think is a good sign. It's ok to hype your product, but I think they lose a lot of credibility bashing a product that's established itself as extremely effective.
Handsome Pete
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Handsome Pete
By the way, I just found this on their website's "Forum". Thought you might be interested. I apologize in advance for the lengthy post.
Laughing out my ass
Brock Strasser (2001-10-11 14:44:50 1953827578)
Some of you who follow other boards know that I have been asked questions about MAG-10 and then when I give my opinion of it based on my experiences with 1/2 of it I am accused of "just bullshit hype". In fact, a bunch of "anonymous" arm chair quarterbacks took what could have been an interesting discussion and turned it into ad hominem attacks and speculation about me personally. What I find truly ironic/moronic is that on this very same board, there is a thread that is asking if the "prohormone" 1-AD is 'as good as primobolan' with several people, including the guy who makes 1-AD, chiming in and saying how lovely 1-AD is. And out of the other sides of their mouths, the same fools (and if they stopped to think about it for 30 seconds they'd realize how truly dumb they are) are bashing A1E (part of MAG-10) which is what 1-AD converts to!!! I don't understand how these people can get so stoked over 1-AD, which to be optimized, has to convert to A1E and then bash A1E?!?
Oh, you mean they are doing this because Biotest is selling it?!? I have learned something over my many years in this industry I'd like to share with all you T-folk: There are a ton of petty little fiefdoms and egos in this industry. Every company, and I do mean EVERY company wants to be the next EAS (at least from a financial stand point) and only an utter moron would not want to see his business grow. Many of these "mom and pop" type supplement companies are insanely jealous of the whirlwind of success Biotest has had, has now and will surely continue to have. We didn't get where we are by selling inferior products either! That's just the way it is. And too many "wannabee guru types" jump on the "let's attack the biggest supplement target we can find" which in this world, today, on the net, is obviously Biotest.
I also don't understand how these same people who bash me, say they hate me and detest Biotest are the very first people who seem to post gutteral responses to our weekly updates on the site here. I mean, I don't like some people in the industry and I go out of my way to NOT read anything written by them. So perhaps someone can clue me in as to why someone would continue to read our webzine, week in and week out, comment on it merely 30 minutes after the new issue is up, all the while bellyaching about how much we "suck"? Are they masochists?
Additionally, some people are absolute masters at taking quotes out of context or failing to address further, follow up commentary here at the site. Biotest and TMAG have always condoned the free exchange of ideas and when we are wrong, we say we are wrong and we admit it and we publish it. There is no grand conspiracy going on, no black helicopters in Colorado Springs staffed with guys who were black Testosterone leather jackets out to send ultrasonic mind waves to make people buy Biotest stuff. The quality, safety and efficacy of our stuff is why people buy it.
I like to think we make some of the best products ever seen in the supplement industry and I am damn proud of working here, rather than anywhere else. We have a deep pipeline of cool and useful stuff that will be launched in the next year or so. All of our products are made using the absolute highest quality ingredients on planet earth. Can other supp companies say that? And if they say it, are they being honest? Sure, they might be a little cheaper but some of these companies buy salvage grade chemicals and DO NOT EVER test them for impurities. Some of them, those that produce chemicals domestically, don't even have in-house QA/QC!!!!
The bottom line is this: if you don't like me or Biotest or TMAG or what we stand for, you don't have to!!! It's OK. You can even criticize our product line (which has a 100% money back guarantee, by the way) because I am sure there are a few people out there who might not react well to something or might even think taking something like MD-6 is an excuse for them not to diet well or train right (then they get mad and say MD-6 sucks, right?). Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But make sure it is how you truly feel because when you try to smack me down and then in the same breath you make outrageous claims for what can only be a less effective product (1-AD versus A1E) any semblance of credibility you had goes out the friggin' window!!!
I am no longer a part of that board, BTW. They demanded I provide evidence that MAG-10 works and when I offered to have Bill Roberts come to the board and discuss it, I was 1) totally flamed again; 2) what do you know, they took down the post!!! I wonder why they took down the post? Maybe because it is easy to flame something you don't know, make rhetorical demands and then not let the appropriate party respond rather than get into a real, useful discussion?
If you buy MAG-10, I am 100% sure it will blow away ANY other supplement on the market and you will amazed and pleasantly satisfied. And if you are not, just return it!!!
I am sitting here with the biggest ear-to-ear grin I have ever had in my life and I am giggling like a schoolboy who found a copy of dad's Penthouse. I don't blame the other companies for being "afraid" of MAG-10. I bet several of these companies are going to be royally fucked once MAG-10 is in consumers hands. I mean, why would you want to use 1-AD (diol or dione for that matter) when you can use the real deal, A1E and an ester of it at that!
Look for a pretty cool roundtable all about this and more this week here at TMAG.
Ciao, Brock
By the way, I just found this on their website's "Forum". Thought you might be interested. I apologize in advance for the lengthy post.
Laughing out my ass
Brock Strasser (2001-10-11 14:44:50 1953827578)
Some of you who follow other boards know that I have been asked questions about MAG-10 and then when I give my opinion of it based on my experiences with 1/2 of it I am accused of "just bullshit hype". In fact, a bunch of "anonymous" arm chair quarterbacks took what could have been an interesting discussion and turned it into ad hominem attacks and speculation about me personally. What I find truly ironic/moronic is that on this very same board, there is a thread that is asking if the "prohormone" 1-AD is 'as good as primobolan' with several people, including the guy who makes 1-AD, chiming in and saying how lovely 1-AD is. And out of the other sides of their mouths, the same fools (and if they stopped to think about it for 30 seconds they'd realize how truly dumb they are) are bashing A1E (part of MAG-10) which is what 1-AD converts to!!! I don't understand how these people can get so stoked over 1-AD, which to be optimized, has to convert to A1E and then bash A1E?!?
Oh, you mean they are doing this because Biotest is selling it?!? I have learned something over my many years in this industry I'd like to share with all you T-folk: There are a ton of petty little fiefdoms and egos in this industry. Every company, and I do mean EVERY company wants to be the next EAS (at least from a financial stand point) and only an utter moron would not want to see his business grow. Many of these "mom and pop" type supplement companies are insanely jealous of the whirlwind of success Biotest has had, has now and will surely continue to have. We didn't get where we are by selling inferior products either! That's just the way it is. And too many "wannabee guru types" jump on the "let's attack the biggest supplement target we can find" which in this world, today, on the net, is obviously Biotest.
I also don't understand how these same people who bash me, say they hate me and detest Biotest are the very first people who seem to post gutteral responses to our weekly updates on the site here. I mean, I don't like some people in the industry and I go out of my way to NOT read anything written by them. So perhaps someone can clue me in as to why someone would continue to read our webzine, week in and week out, comment on it merely 30 minutes after the new issue is up, all the while bellyaching about how much we "suck"? Are they masochists?
Additionally, some people are absolute masters at taking quotes out of context or failing to address further, follow up commentary here at the site. Biotest and TMAG have always condoned the free exchange of ideas and when we are wrong, we say we are wrong and we admit it and we publish it. There is no grand conspiracy going on, no black helicopters in Colorado Springs staffed with guys who were black Testosterone leather jackets out to send ultrasonic mind waves to make people buy Biotest stuff. The quality, safety and efficacy of our stuff is why people buy it.
I like to think we make some of the best products ever seen in the supplement industry and I am damn proud of working here, rather than anywhere else. We have a deep pipeline of cool and useful stuff that will be launched in the next year or so. All of our products are made using the absolute highest quality ingredients on planet earth. Can other supp companies say that? And if they say it, are they being honest? Sure, they might be a little cheaper but some of these companies buy salvage grade chemicals and DO NOT EVER test them for impurities. Some of them, those that produce chemicals domestically, don't even have in-house QA/QC!!!!
The bottom line is this: if you don't like me or Biotest or TMAG or what we stand for, you don't have to!!! It's OK. You can even criticize our product line (which has a 100% money back guarantee, by the way) because I am sure there are a few people out there who might not react well to something or might even think taking something like MD-6 is an excuse for them not to diet well or train right (then they get mad and say MD-6 sucks, right?). Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But make sure it is how you truly feel because when you try to smack me down and then in the same breath you make outrageous claims for what can only be a less effective product (1-AD versus A1E) any semblance of credibility you had goes out the friggin' window!!!
I am no longer a part of that board, BTW. They demanded I provide evidence that MAG-10 works and when I offered to have Bill Roberts come to the board and discuss it, I was 1) totally flamed again; 2) what do you know, they took down the post!!! I wonder why they took down the post? Maybe because it is easy to flame something you don't know, make rhetorical demands and then not let the appropriate party respond rather than get into a real, useful discussion?
If you buy MAG-10, I am 100% sure it will blow away ANY other supplement on the market and you will amazed and pleasantly satisfied. And if you are not, just return it!!!
I am sitting here with the biggest ear-to-ear grin I have ever had in my life and I am giggling like a schoolboy who found a copy of dad's Penthouse. I don't blame the other companies for being "afraid" of MAG-10. I bet several of these companies are going to be royally fucked once MAG-10 is in consumers hands. I mean, why would you want to use 1-AD (diol or dione for that matter) when you can use the real deal, A1E and an ester of it at that!
Look for a pretty cool roundtable all about this and more this week here at TMAG.
Ciao, Brock
G
Golfer18--old
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There is no way in hell im dishing out a bill for a supplement unless its an anabolic steroid.
the nature boy
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I'll wait till you guys say it's good, otherwise I'll stick with the most powerful legal supplement known to man, THE BEAST!! LOL!
Re: Handsome Pete
Of course, he is conveniently leaving out the real issue -- which is whether the ethylcarbonate ester will significantly improve oral bioavailability. If it does, this WILL be a badass product. However, looking at their site, I did not see a reference to any studies showing this to be so. Ethers are not particularly effective nor are other esters such as an undecanoate ester (as in the oral steroid Andriol aka test undecanoate).
If 1-testosterone stays legal, there WILL be a supplement that is every bit as good as the real thing, whether Mag-10 will be that supplement depends on the ethylcarbonate ester.
Handsome Pete said:
Of course, he is conveniently leaving out the real issue -- which is whether the ethylcarbonate ester will significantly improve oral bioavailability. If it does, this WILL be a badass product. However, looking at their site, I did not see a reference to any studies showing this to be so. Ethers are not particularly effective nor are other esters such as an undecanoate ester (as in the oral steroid Andriol aka test undecanoate).
If 1-testosterone stays legal, there WILL be a supplement that is every bit as good as the real thing, whether Mag-10 will be that supplement depends on the ethylcarbonate ester.
thefantom1
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Its amazing how long hype in muslce magazine's have been going on and people are still buying it. There are very few sups that I take or would take......... remember stuff like Boron? and Smilax?? And 100 bucks a bottle???? Give me a break.... guys take your money and buy 100 bucks worth of chicken breasts.....you will gain more from eating more chicken....
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