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Longest you ran a harsh oral

How long have you run a harsh oral

  • 1-2 weeks

    Votes: 4 3.1%

  • 2-4 weeks

    Votes: 19 14.5%

  • 4-6 weeks

    Votes: 38 29.0%

  • 6-8 weeks

    Votes: 30 22.9%

  • 8-10 weeks

    Votes: 12 9.2%

  • 10-12 weeks

    Votes: 9 6.9%

  • 12-14 weeks

    Votes: 2 1.5%

  • 14-16 weeks

    Votes: 1 0.8%

  • 16-18 weeks

    Votes: 8 6.1%

  • 18-20 weeks

    Votes: 1 0.8%

  • 20 weeks + (please specify length)

    Votes: 7 5.3%
  • Total voters
    131
lilj888

lilj888

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please name the oral. btw which one is worse winny or dbol on liver and other body functions?

If u have done one oral then done another immediatly after count that as 1 and add them together

btw i forgot to add 18+ for u crazy mofos so just post it in the thread if u did longer then the poll states
 
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anavar is pretty harsh still...its 17 alkylated just like dbol.
 
lilj888 said:
anavar not harsh oral brother, i ran var for 12 weeks
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17AA, crushes lipids like no other, severe appetite suppression and lethargy, I'd say its pretty harsh and very powerful. Loved the results, hated the way I felt on it though. It hits everyone differently.
 
Anavar IS hard on the liver...just as bad a dbol...it all depends on how much you do...i have run var for like 14 weeks...i took tylers liver detoxm cranberry juice and milk thistle i was fine...guess it depends on the person.
 
lilj888 said:
well can u please explain why everyone says anavar is light on the liver while they proclaim dbol/winny are heavy on the liver
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Who is everyone?

There is a lot of misinformation spread on BBing/steroid forums.

While we are all the same basic design, for example we all have livers, liver enzymes, mitochondria, how we process/detoxify drugs is highly variable due to genetic difference, polymorphisms related to the efficiency of the enzymes and cytochrome P450 chain.

If you think that this thread might be that brain candy or a way to justify long term oral use, well, nice try, but it isn't going to work that way.

Just because one person got away with a 20 week cycle (and that is if they got away with it, did they get tested), someone else could be showing signs of liver stress at two weeks.
 
Tatyana said:
Who is everyone?

There is a lot of misinformation spread on BBing/steroid forums.

While we are all the same basic design, for example we all have livers, liver enzymes, mitochondria, how we process/detoxify drugs is highly variable due to genetic difference, polymorphisms related to the efficiency of the enzymes and cytochrome P450 chain.

If you think that this thread might be that brain candy or a way to justify long term oral use, well, nice try, but it isn't going to work that way.

Just because one person got away with a 20 week cycle (and that is if they got away with it, did they get tested), someone else could be showing signs of liver stress at two weeks.
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i know what ur saying, im curious to see the results. but i read everywhere on this forum that anavar is one of the safest drugs because of its relatively low sides and stress on the liver.


and who put 16-18 weeks please state what u took.
 
and btw why does everyone recommend longer cycles with anavar but shorter with other steroids like halo, winny, etc. (especially halo)
because they are harser on the liver correct me if im wrong
 
3 weeks on superdrol (or monsterdrol same compound)

Be careful on those var cycles! anavar will trash your lipids FAST!! I've seen it with my GF who was only on var at 10mg for 5 weeks at the time she got a tested.

Most of the time people say "harsh" and mean liver. Don't forget about other negs.
 
I usually love Halo, but I had to bail after 3 weeks on my last outting. Felt sick,no apetite. I listened to my old body and stopped. Felt good as new within 72 hours. First 10 days I felt awesome. Next time very low dose . Maybe 10mg/ED or even EOD. That shit is strong !!!:evil:
 
rockdoc said:
10 weeks on Anavar which was about 4 weeks too long IMO. Gains pretty much stopped after 6.
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Yes, but I bet your body composition changed? I notice gains as far as strength and weight will plateau, but theres just a different look to my muscle. More dense, fuller. Hard to describe.

Just saying cus I think var is probably best ran for 10 weeks if its what the back bone of your cycle is.
 
Galaxy said:
Yes, but I bet your body composition changed? I notice gains as far as strength and weight will plateau, but theres just a different look to my muscle. More dense, fuller. Hard to describe.

Just saying cus I think var is probably best ran for 10 weeks if its what the back bone of your cycle is.
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Oh absolutely. I looked like a thoroughbred race horse. More shredded than I've ever been in my life. Total recomp. My muscles were defined, dense and hard looking. Anavar's the bomb for recomp. I was very happy with the results. I was just saying that it only took 6 weeks to get there. And part of the reason I got so ripped was because of the appetite suppression.
 
I just guarantee in weeks 7-10 there were many subtle changes for the better also.

For the record i always get blood work and my liver and kidneys were fine. Of course this means you shouldnt do as I did. Like Tatyana said, someone eles could be trashed in 3 weeks.

I also dont drink smoke or sniff glue, so that helps too.
 
lilj888 said:
please name the oral. btw which one is worse winny or dbol on liver and other body functions?

If u have done one oral then done another immediatly after count that as 1 and add them together

btw i forgot to add 18+ for u crazy mofos so just post it in the thread if u did longer then the poll states
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RAN 8-10 wks of ANADROL in the past
 
ItalianMuscle27 said:
Halotestin is the worst in my opinion, and I have blood test results to prove it. Did it for 6 weeks at 50mg/ed..
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see i dont see how people can compare anavar to halotestin on the liver. each steroid affects the liver differently and one can be harser then the other.

btw howed u like the halo at that doses for that long, seems like a high dose for halo.
 
SLAYER69! said:
15-20 years ago this was the norm. you always ran your oral the entire cycle. no one front loaded for 4 weeks. We did alot of stupid things back then to our livers, but at least mines still ok
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yeh...dbols were pretty famous and standard too
 
Ditto! I have ran a long Dbol cycle (over 16 wks) I do not recommend it for adverage BBR's

RADAR
 
RADAR said:
Ditto! I have ran a long Dbol cycle (over 16 wks) I do not recommend it for adverage BBR's

RADAR
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wow! 16 weeks?

I'm interested in knowing how you felt and what you did?

Did you pyramid the dosages? did you keep on improving week after week? how much of the gains did you keep?
 
lilj888 said:
see i dont see how people can compare anavar to halotestin on the liver. each steroid affects the liver differently and one can be harser then the other.

btw howed u like the halo at that doses for that long, seems like a high dose for halo.
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Ive actually ran both var/halo together and that was an excellent combo. But this last time I ran halo, it sent my liver values through the roof. My doc said to knock it off, and I quickly did. I liked the results, but not worth the sides. I ran 20mg/ed years ago, and didnt notice much. THese last few times ran 50mg/ed, and you could notice a difference in hardness/strength..
 
the_alcatraz said:
wow! 16 weeks?

I'm interested in knowing how you felt and what you did?

Did you pyramid the dosages? did you keep on improving week after week? how much of the gains did you keep?
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5mgs -mon-wed -fri Kept this up 4 wks ran 10 mgs 3 wks before goingback down to 5 mg a wk -remember quick to gain=quick to loose.
I went from the bench press 185= 300
I used the whole bottle so caculate how you want to run it!

RADAR
 
RADAR said:
5mgs -mon-wed -fri Kept this up 4 wks ran 10 mgs 3 wks before goingback down to 5 mg a wk -remember quick to gain=quick to loose.
I went from the bench press 185= 300
I used the whole bottle so caculate how you want to run it!

RADAR
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5mgs a day? that's it?

I run dbols at 50mgs ed for 4-6 weeks.

But then again, I run anadrols at 100-200mg ed for 4-6 weeks also.
 
RADAR said:
5mgs -mon-wed -fri Kept this up 4 wks ran 10 mgs 3 wks before goingback down to 5 mg a wk -remember quick to gain=quick to loose.
I went from the bench press 185= 300
I used the whole bottle so caculate how you want to run it!

RADAR
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you are proof that you dont need high doses. im sure u kept most of that. and at that dose i dont see it being very harsh on your health either. low doses are the way to go!
 
So Radar,

What are you recommending us? Yours was really strange but you cant argue with results. And I remember that John Ziegler also didnt want anybody to use over 5 mg's a day.

Explain more plz
 
aquatic_glories said:
So Radar,

What are you recommending us? Yours was really strange but you cant argue with results. And I remember that John Ziegler also didnt want anybody to use over 5 mg's a day.

Explain more plz
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Back in 1988 I was Training In Jones Bro's Gym ,David J. was going to to compete in the olympics, thats the cyle he used and introduced,also i had to talk to several pro BBr's Back in the 80's (Dave Draper( Mr Olympia) was one and they were the same-Quick to gain=quick to loose.
So take that advice with a grain of salt, you will not notice any noticableable changes as running it at like 40 mgs a day, but bust your ass in the gym, diet in check, train until you are sore, I did 10 sets per body part,sometimes 14 and before anyone says BS, listen -you can train long or you can train hard but you can't do both. Dut to age injuries i fit in the middle and it works just fine, concentrate on the pump and get sore, if you're not sore after a few days you did it all wrong!Soreness promotes growth!Ancillaries needed Milk Thistle 80% extract, lots of water & Cranberry Juice.

And Remember to down that Hi protein shake after working out-that's when your bodys demand for nutrients is at it's peak!


I Hope this helps, Now go get big!
RADAR
 
I am very confused about dbol.
Ziegler told us not to use more than 5 mg a day. There must be something the inventor knew, for sure. After I read your post, now I wonder it more.

However 15 mg's of extra AAS supply is very minimal and I can't understand how it can help that much with muscle growth. Sometimes your test levels get lower that much due to various reasons and when you get back to normal, that increase isn't really noticable.(I know not very good logic, this came to my mind however.) Also it caused very minimal suppression, right??

I am sure everything you write will decrease people's curiosity. We could learn a lot from your experiences

Thanks
 
There's a guy on another site who's gone about 20 years with d-bol only. Never goes above 10 mg (sometimes goes as low as 5 mg). Does it 3 weeks on, 1 week off.

It would be interesting to see the lowest dosages of various substances that people have used back in the days before the high dosages. I'm going to be very "health" conscious when I choose to use and want to learn about the safest way to use them and the lowest dose possible to achieve results. There is no way you need the amount used by most people today, imo.
 
fitzchivalry said:
There's a guy on another site who's gone about 20 years with d-bol only. Never goes above 10 mg (sometimes goes as low as 5 mg). Does it 3 weeks on, 1 week off.

It would be interesting to see the lowest dosages of various substances that people have used back in the days before the high dosages. I'm going to be very "health" conscious when I choose to use and want to learn about the safest way to use them and the lowest dose possible to achieve results. There is no way you need the amount used by most people today, imo.
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well thats just stupid 20 years 3weeks on off for only 1 week, i dont care what dosages. seems after 20 years it will take its toll.

low doses are good but 20 years??
 
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lilj888 said:
well thats just stupid 20 years off for only 1 week, i dont care what dosages. seems after 20 years it will take its toll.

low doses are good but 20 years??
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No, he had a general plan of 3 weeks on 1 week off (not just one week off for the whole 20 years). The longest he was off was 6 weeks and when he went on vacation he generally didn't take them as well. Started in the 1980's supposedly so it was really going on 30 years almost. Another guy followed in his footsteps and did it for a year with good results. Would have been nice to see bloodtests, etc. though.
 
fitzchivalry said:
No, he had a general plan of 3 weeks on 1 week off (not just one week off for the whole 20 years). The longest he was off was 6 weeks and when he went on vacation he generally didn't take them as well. Started in the 1980's supposedly so it was really going on 30 years almost. Another guy followed in his footsteps and did it for a year with good results. Would have been nice to see bloodtests, etc. though.
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ya thats what i ment 3weeks on 1 week of. typo

anyway i think its stupid
 
I Was Told Fuck the half life of Dbol as it slowly builds up in your system, and after several cycles by golly it does!

RADAR
 
im 40 and have done 2 x 4weeks cycles per year for 11 years,30 mg per day with weekends off,,have blood tests every year,,always came back perfect,.its great for that pump in the gym to get over a plateau,not gonna get you huge,i was 170lbs ,now 190 ,solid
 
the_alcatraz said:
5mgs a day? that's it?

I run dbols at 50mgs ed for 4-6 weeks.

But then again, I run anadrols at 100-200mg ed for 4-6 weeks also.
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let me explain again ,say you have 100 tabs, calculate to run them 2-3 wks mon-wed fri @ 5 mgs
then 10 mgs 2 wks and 15 after that 3 days a week then taper down. simple as that!
this works out to 16 weeks, and drink lots of Water,Take Milk Thistle & Cranberry extract!
RADAR
 
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i would say about 3 minutes. Her name was Megan and she scraped her teeth mericlessly while giving harsh oral..........

Wait.............what are we talking about?
 
5 weeks Anavar. 25mg e/d.

Great results. A little bit of mass gain but the main difference was the way my body looked. It just gives a more defined, muscular look. I pretty much kept the gains for the month or 2 I was off. I also got more vascular and my strength went up. It was the first steroid I had ever used so that is probably also a reason why it worked so well.
 
Years ago when I didn't know what I was doing, I ran var (30mgs), dbol (20mgs) and halo (20mgs) for six weeks, followed this with no PCT, felt more depression than I ever had, and so one week later, in my infinite wisdom, went back on dbol some more for 4 weeks. Crazy. Thank god for EF.
 
There is no such thing as a safe 17 AA it's an oxymoran that does not exist. Anyone who has done blood work while on orals knows your results are off the charts ! Just becuase you dont see or feel sides does not mean your liver is not begging for mercy ! Stereoids should be respected. I don't think people should take orals ever unless your competing I don't know maybe 4 weeks out of the year if you just have to do some orals. . Your probably/obviously not going to die off one cycle. I think it's the cummulative long term effect is what get's you.
 
rockdoc said:
17AA, crushes lipids like no other, severe appetite suppression and lethargy, I'd say its pretty harsh and very powerful. Loved the results, hated the way I felt on it though. It hits everyone differently.
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I agree 100%. I look great on the stuff but feel like total ass.
 
Super DMZ (Superdrol and Dimethazine) for 5 weeks. Three weeks at 20mgs each, two weeks at 30mgs each. Felt like a piece of crap.
 
wow! since this was posted i have ran 2 cycles of Dbol close to 6 months each, Gained 25lbs and kept 22 of it, again i used an old school approach.I got bloodwork done and lipids & cholorestrol were the two main concerns, however i had to go back 4 months later for another checkup and everything was back to normal.
 
Some of the same people on here that flame people for using two orals in the same cycle (anavar and winny), run orals for a long long long long time!! What's up with that?
 
louisiana said:
Some of the same people on here that flame people for using two orals in the same cycle (anavar and winny), run orals for a long long long long time!! What's up with that?
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Personally i have no problem with anyone running 2 orals if it's kept short, running long is a no no in my book.
 
louisiana said:
How short of a cycle would you run a anavar and winny cycle? What would you do for libido and please no test!
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Run the 4 weeks max, lots of water ,Cranberry juice, and ALA, You could run the new TREN-NDS Needto has all the way into PCT or Unleashed the same way and add some forma with that PCT 5 pumps am/5 pm.
 
RADAR said:
Run the 4 weeks max, lots of water ,Cranberry juice, and ALA, You could run the new TREN-NDS Needto has all the way into PCT or Unleashed the same way and add some forma with that PCT 5 pumps am/5 pm.
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Man thank you so much for the fast response!!! I will follow what you have here after i get body weight down to 200lbs, im 5,11 so i may slim down to 195lb. peace!
 
One Superdrol cycle at 30mg for 6 weeks.

Another Superdrol cycle at 20mg for 8 weeks.

a year ago, I did a methyltreinolone cycle at 750 mcg-1 mg per day, for 6 weeks.

I have enough methyltrienolone leftover for another 5 week cycle at the same dosage. Which I'm currently running. [Day 9]
 
10 ad50 a day and 2000mg of test a week for 12 weeks. strong and freak of nature size. Also won the strongman contest I entered... at that time 6'2ish and 350lbs. Just a little guy. Would never do that one again....
 
w8lifter747 said:
10 ad50 a day and 2000mg of test a week for 12 weeks. strong and freak of nature size. Also won the strongman contest I entered... at that time 6'2ish and 350lbs. Just a little guy. Would never do that one again....
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6'2 350? Fuck me that is big.
Do you mean you took 500mg of anadrol a day? If so that's hardcore
 
Dbol helped me reach 260 , i'm not that now, thank god i came to my senses, I'm sure some you you can relate to "mmmmmm i'm not big enough" mentality after competing i said enough is enough, never going thru that hell again, i feel better and look better at 190-200. I'm 5'8"

I really feel for you bro's out there what you're going thru.
 
Oral tren at 150mcg a day, thats half,tab for five, wks, everything fine didnt want to overdue it and had great,results, but if u get carried away with this compound im pretty sure in the end it will bite u in the ass pretty hard

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Winstrol for 4.5 months 50 Mgs

Had no problems other than sore joints. Liver values turned out ok too.

Will never do it again now that I know better
 
I will never do a dose of winny that high again my body has a very high tolerance to stuff but I had major joint pain liver was fine
 
About six weeks of Dbol, gains started to slow after week three so was a bit of a waste... I'm considering doing 4 weeks Dbol followed directly by six weeks of Epi for my next blast.... Dbol would be 20mg a day Epi 30mg a day, undecided on this so far....
 
5 weeks SuperDrol followed by low dose winstrol for 8 weeks with my tren then two weeks of nothing then finishing with Tbol, all on top of a test-e base. I have 3 weeks left of winny and tren and two weeks ago my liver levels were just above normal. I take milk thistle, liv52, and SAMe twice a day.


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RADAR said:
wow! since this was posted i have ran 2 cycles of Dbol close to 6 months each, Gained 25lbs and kept 22 of it, again i used an old school approach.I got bloodwork done and lipids & cholorestrol were the two main concerns, however i had to go back 4 months later for another checkup and everything was back to normal.
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Old post, active thread :D

RADAR, can you give us specific details on how you did it?

I would love to know more about your doses, ancillaries and PCT.

P P P L L L E E E A A A S S S E E E :D :D :D :D :D

Thanks a ton !!!!!!
 
Ran adrol for almost 4 months, just make sure to get bloods done often, and use proper liver/kidney aids
 
I did 4
Months of Winstrol 50mgs/day

Ran need2guard,massive amounts of fish oil, liv 52, cytosports veggie greens, phyto berry and lots of cardio and water. Deadlifted 455 at 183 lbs.
since then I've ages a few years, grown smarter and realizes (a) that long on an oral isn't wise, (b) 1 rep maxing on Winstrol is asking for ligament tendon and joint tears and damage. I was lucky as bloodwork came back healthy ( minus low ass testosterone) and I had no injuries. Playing sports all my life has definitely helped my tendons stay strong. Lucky I didn't pull a Michael Johnson .
 
I know toxicity of orals and recommended cycle lengths get over exaggerated from people that claim you will need a liver transplant and all that nonsense. Using proper supports (N2guard and TUDCA) while on orals goes a long way.

I still couldn't imagine running a harsh oral like anadrol or Winny for 4 months. That's just nuts
 
If you run orals no matter what time length you need to make sure you are taking a liver cleanser while doing it. You also want to do a complete body cleanse after.
 
This is over a year old thread you are responding to. But since you did, that's crazy reading 4 months straight of Anadrol and Winstrol.
 
Winstrol, 6 weeks lol
 
40mg Epi-5 weeks, 3 days off dbol 50mg 4 weeks/ 75mg 2 weeks, 1 weeks off then 6 more weeks of 50mg anadrol... never again... dumb dumb dumb
 
No sides, as I was blasting... but I feel like I would have gotten more or if the anadrol instead of almost maintaining the dbol.. given the rest of the gear I was on, I'm sure my receptors were fried...
 
I think we are a lot smarter and healthier than years ago in the 70's and 80's. I've read that people at that time used to pop anadrol and dbol like candies, even year round. That is dumb for sure and I can't claim that I've witnessed that myself.

Now we know better. I've never had luck with orals but again, I only tried dbol and it caused me anxiety. Also winny injections caused me joint pain so I will dumb if I entertain the idea of taking it as oral.
 
Anxiety from dbols? Weird I usually only get a little unwanted water weight about 5lbs and a little nice strength gain. My favorite way to use orals is with 15 week cycle first 5 dbols 5 weeks no oral then 5 weeks winni. I liked anadrol but they felt dirtier. I might move away from winni I'm getting joint pain easier now.
 
I've only ran dbol and winny separately and winny was harsher in my opinion on my liver joints everything lol it hurt. I've heard that var is less harsh then others too. I'm actually going to run var my next cycle so I'll know from experience in a few months. I ran the winny at 75 mg a day for 5 weeks and the dbol at 40 mg a day for 4 weeks. That might be why I think the winny was worse lol
 
I've ran 100mg dbol and 200mg abombs (not at the same time) in offseason and know many competitors that have done the same for 8 weeks. HW and SHW.
 
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