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lol....watch this fight.

It seemed to me he (Kung Fu guy) was just flailing his fists and got lucky and wholloped him with a haymaker.

Hard to tell from the angle/quality of the clip, though.

Any Kung Fu practitioners care to comment?
 
casualbb said:
systema does whip-like punches, so i know them when i see them

I just rewatched the clip. you're seeing what you want to see. in the moment leading up to the KO punch, the dude is all over the place... nowhere do i see any sort of precision, just a barrage of strikes

i'm not knocking the dude, hell he won. but fancy kung fu something or other? you mean hook to the face.

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casualbb said:
systema does whip-like punches, so i know them when i see them


djimbe said:
I dont personally think that the ons from systema look a lot like the ones rom Nanchuan , so I felt that the point must be made .



casualbb said:
I just rewatched the clip. you're seeing what you want to see.


djimbe said:
Actually so did I - about 20+ times in a row from the point where the kid in Red threw the first Backfist . My analysis is clear enough , and Im seeing whats in front of me jus fine . I LIKE to make fun of Idiots , and I would be the first guy pission on the kid if I thought there was a reason to - as it IS , I pis on his Instructors .

casualbb said:
in the moment leading up to the KO punch, the dude is all over the place... nowhere do i see any sort of precision, just a barrage of strikes



djimbe said:
Actually he IS "all over the place" but the question is WHY is he "all over the place" - or rather "In What WAY ?" The fact of the matter is that he actually throws - or attempts to throw the exact same technique in the EXACT same way three times in a row - right down to the fact that EACH TIME he starts the strike by digging in with his Right foot behind him , and lengthens through the same sie using his right as his Power hand . Thats NOT how the Mechanics of a Hook punch WORK and it never will be .

The fact is that the ANSWER to "The Question" is that hes never hit Focus Mitts , or Thai Pads , or Sparred against a Resisting opponent before . His Execution of the MOVEMENTS INVOLVED with the STIKE ITSELF are as Mechanically Repetitive as one could hope to expect under the circumstances when he has an opponent Didging , blocking , and taking his space like in the video . The guy thre the SAME strike THREE TIMES like a robot , THAT was his problem , the guy had NO experience against a Resisting Opponent , THAT was his problem , The guy had never hit a Moving Target , THAT was his problem , the guy had no CLUE about Footwork , Spacing , or Timing - THOSE were his problems . - NOT that he didnt know how to Execute the Mechanics of the strike itself .




casualbb said:
i'm not knocking the dude, hell he won. but fancy kung fu something or other? you mean hook to the face.

djimbe said:
Just beause the Strike was a kind that is Thrown in "kung Fu" dosent particulary make it "Fancy" in MY eyes , I see them all the time , so to me theyre Commonplace . It just WASNT a HOOK . It wasnt a Roundhouse Kick a Rice Bail Throw or a Wheel Kick either .

I just think that the Clip itself Illustrates well what can happn if all you do is Forms Training . You get good at Moves/techniques , but you have no Idea what to do with them . In this manner they become Robotic , Meaningless - even "Dead" things . Even STILL , however , JUST having the Proper Mechanics (form) ALONE can give one a KNOCKOUT weapon - ANY of those Missed strikes would have knocked the other boy just as silly - but h lacked the Battle-Preparedness to strike with any accuracy and skill .


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Now that I think about it it ALSO Illustrates how even a LITTLE bit of MA training will do WELL against someone that knows NOTHING !

I mean , MOST ppl just DONT know how to fight !

I think that as big a newbie as that kid was he pretty much proves that you dont have to be a freaking Gracie to defend yourself in a Streetfight , and that "Kung Fu" DOES work !

oh , and the Hand Positioning that Undertow503 was talking about (wich IS a fave of Choi Li Fut practitioners) is referred to as the "Phoenix Eye Fist" . And the "Wildness" or "sloppieness" with wich it was thrown does not make it any more a BNoxers hook than it makes it a Choke hold .
 
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