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Lithium is a lifelong treatment.

What is lithium and what does it treat?

Lithium carbonate is a salt that was first approved in the United States in 1970 to treat manic depression (bipolar disorder). Today, it remains a commonly used medication for this illness. There are several different brands of lithium dispensed as tablets, capsules, or liquid (the most commonly used products are listed above). A manic episode, or mania, is when a person experiences several of the following symptoms at the same time: "high" or irritable mood, very high self esteem, decreased need for sleep, pressure to keep talking, racing thoughts, being easily distracted, frequently involved in activities with a large risk for bad consequences (for example, excessive buying sprees). A depressive episode, or depression, is when a person experiences several of the following symptoms at the same time: "low" or depressed mood (for example, sad, empty, tearful), decreased interest in most or all activities, changes in appetite (usually decreased), changes in sleep (usually poor sleep), loss of energy, feeling worthless/guilty/ hopeless/ helpless, difficulty concentrating, thoughts of death (suicidal thinking). Bipolar disorder is an illness which exposes people to these mood changes over the course of time.


Lithium is used to even out the highs (mania) and lows (depression) in mood associated with of bipolar disorder. In some cases, lithium is used to treat people with depression even though they have never experienced a manic episode. Many of these patients have not responded adequately to antidepressants alone, so the addition of lithium to an antidepressant is tried for some people.

Lithium has also been used to treat people with schizophrenia in cases where changes in thinking happen at the same time as a mood change that looks like either mania or depression.


Are there any risks for taking this medication for long periods of time?

With long-term use of lithium, hypothyroidism can occur; however, it can be treated with thyroid supplementation. Kidney damage may also occur, but it is rare. In order to minimize risk, your healthcare provider will periodically measure kidney function and lithium levels with a simple blood test.

What is the usual duration of treatment for lithium?

Mood stabilizer treatment is generally needed lifelong for persons with Bipolar illness. Your doctor can best discuss the duration of treatment you need based on your symptoms and course of illness.


Source:

http://www.nami.org/Template.cfm?Se...aggedPageDisplay.cfm&TPLID=51&ContentID=20820

SIDE EFFECTS:

The most common side effects that can occur in persons taking lithium are fine hand tremor, dry mouth, altered taste perception, weight gain, increased thirst, increased frequency of urination, mild nausea or vomiting, impotence, decreased libido, diarrhea, and kidney abnormalities. Many of the gastrointestinal side effects (nausea, taste alterations, diarrhea) often disappear with continued therapy. Additionally, they may be less common if lithium is taken in divided doses with meals. If diarrhea or excessive urination lead to dehydration, lithium toxicity is possible. Lithium can also cause changes in the electrocardiogram, low blood pressure, and decreased heart rate.

The following side effects suggest that lithium blood levels may be too high, and that the dose of lithium may need to be reduced (after confirmation by measurement of lithium levels in blood): loss of appetite; visual impairment; tiredness; muscle weakness; muscle fasciculations (twitches); tremor; unsteady gait; confusion, seizure; arrhythmias; slurred speech; coma.

About 1 in every 25 persons who receives lithium develops a goiter (an enlarged thyroid gland). Hypothyroidism (low thyroid hormone levels) has been reported. Signs of hypothyroidism may include dry rough skin, hair loss, hoarseness, mania, mental depression, increased sensitivity to cold, and swelling of the feet, lower legs, and neck.

Source: http://www.medicinenet.com/lithium/page2.htm

It sounds to me like Lithium could be a cure that's side effects are worse than the disorder it treats-unless you consider being an empty shell of who you once were a good thing? I'd rather be depressed than be a zombie. Childrens Tylenol it is not.
 
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BigCracker said:
Oh God, not another internet tough guy!!! Nice to know your friends are in poor mental health and are under a physician's care. Overly sensitive types like yourself are usually very insecure which is likely why you choose people with mental problems to befriend. Their shortcomings make you feel better about yourself in the same way trash talking someone on the internet does. More power to ya. Just remember it's nobody's fault but your own that you couldn't get laid in an animal shelter. And I highly doubt you'd trash talk me in person unless you had a half dozen of your borderline retarded friends with you to back you up.

And FYI Poison was the gayest 80's hair band of all. Try wearing a Poison concert t shirt to a Pantera Show and see if you don't get your ass beat.


Why wouldn't I trash-talk in person? Cause of Pantera? :FRlol:

You ARE funny, ....................but you're also a "joke"
 
BigCracker said:
Just remember it's nobody's fault but your own that you couldn't get laid in an animal shelter.

Im a little curious about this comment. Is it easy to get laid at an animal shelter or something?
 
KD1 said:
Im a little curious about this comment. Is it easy to get laid at an animal shelter or something?

i missed that one - when Crack posts, I always have the urge to just skim through the crap. Problem is, - it's all crap. ;)
 
any of you guys know about anti depressants and aas?
I have been using lexapro at a very light dose to treat anxiety and it has helped tremendously. What should I expect when I mix it with Test and Var?
Oh and for the record: Believe me, if you seek help for any illness or disorder, regardless of social stigma, it only proves you are stronger and willing to work towards happiness in life. I wish I would have agreed to the treatment when I was younger so the years I suffered in silence would have been better spent.
Kudos to you musclemag69...take charge of your life
 
Happiest said:
any of you guys know about anti depressants and aas?
I have been using lexapro at a very light dose to treat anxiety and it has helped tremendously. What should I expect when I mix it with Test and Var?
Oh and for the record: Believe me, if you seek help for any illness or disorder, regardless of social stigma, it only proves you are stronger and willing to work towards happiness in life. I wish I would have agreed to the treatment when I was younger so the years I suffered in silence would have been better spent.
Kudos to you musclemag69...take charge of your life


Lexapro is in the family of SSRI's,(Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors) - they are not benzos (Valium,Klon,Xan).

I've been on Zoloft fot YEARS and had no problems, - although I can't guarantee that, say, the wrong (or lack of) proper PCT
you could actually find yourself depressed and anxious (which happens to AAS users all the time)

If your PCT is aggressive and well planned-out, Lexapro and AAS shouldn't interfere with each other.
 
Happiest said:
any of you guys know about anti depressants and aas?
I have been using lexapro at a very light dose to treat anxiety and it has helped tremendously. What should I expect when I mix it with Test and Var?
Oh and for the record: Believe me, if you seek help for any illness or disorder, regardless of social stigma, it only proves you are stronger and willing to work towards happiness in life. I wish I would have agreed to the treatment when I was younger so the years I suffered in silence would have been better spent.
Kudos to you musclemag69...take charge of your life


Very interesting question...Lexapro is metabolized by the same liver enzyme as androgens...this enzyme is cytochrome P-450 3A4 . Androgens are known to inhibit this enzyme....what this possibly means is that the serum levels of Lexapro may be elevated to very high levels because the enzyme needed to break down the drug so it can be excreted is inhibited by the androgens you are taking,,,/and/or the half life of the drug will increase as well. What this possibly means,,,maybe a reduction in your dosage of Lexapro while on cycle, or not using AAS alltogether, or talking about this with your physician. If you you do decide not to talk to your physician about this and do a cycle of test, var and lexapro be aware of any mood changes and s/s of toxicity or increases levels of lexapro in your system.
 
KD1 said:
Im a little curious about this comment. Is it easy to get laid at an animal shelter or something?

Well, animals cant hide behind the "no means no" thing cuz they can't speak. If I really wanted to be mean I would've said "you couldn't get laid in a morgue." but I was holding back.
 
Advisor_x said:
Bro you playing with your mental health consult your Dr.....all of us can send you to the big house where they will give you a BEAUTIFULL sweater that ties on the back......


This is all that I was implying, just less eloquently. Check out the list of sides-kidney probs, etc. Caffeine also is a no no on lithium. I just can't see how using AAS could be a positive thing when using Lithium.

If the poster chooses to do otherwise, goes postal on his coworkers and kills himself afterwards, at least someone tried to warn him. I'll be keeping my eye on the news for the roid raging Lithium guy on kidney dialysis that puts a bullet in everyone in his office and kills himself afterwards.
 
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