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Lipostabil??

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I'm assuming most of you got the newsletter from EF regarding this product. Apparently it's been shown to cause permanent localized fat loss when injected into your body fat much in the same way that liposuction does. Is anyone familar with this product? Does it really work as it's advertised. What's the price point?
 
Lipostabil.net is where i saw it, they also have thimacuse.......
 
General rule of thumb: If it sounds too good to be true, which it definitely does, it probably is.
 
I saw something on 60 minutes or 20/20 (one of those programs) and the results were simply astounding!!! People were actually flying into Detroit every weekend for 10 weeks straight just to have it administered! I guess that's where ONE of the few doc's that does this procedure practices. One OLD-ASS dude (maybe 60) had it done to his double (hell...triple) chin and he looked GREAT afterwards.

OF COURSE the stuff is frowned upon (go figure) by traditional MD's but f'ck their old school out-dated- never accepting change asses!! This stuff is supposedly used with GREAT success in France for years now.

I'm NOT so sure about someone just buying this stuff and going to town! I'd recommend going to someone certified/liscensed to do this! i say this because (above) therer is a link to purchasing this stuff. Self-administraion MAY be dangerous....I have not researched this stuff enough to call this one!
 
C-Russ said:
I wonder if this would be a good treatment for "bitch-tit" aka Gynecomastia?

No, that would most likely have to be surgically removed.
 
This stuff shurly has to be available somewhere........anyone know doses, duration.......so we can self administer.?
 
I wouldn't trust it just yet....wait for more bros who are brave enough to try it.
also, the only place in the US is out of NY to get it and they're getting shut down soon.

Straight from the FDA:
http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/g4165d.htm
RE: http://www.lipostabil.net/

WARNING LETTER

CERTIFIED MAIL
RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED


July 22, 2003

NYK-2003-30

Ayoula Dublin
120 Greenwich Street, Suite #3A
New York, New York 10006

Dear Ms. Dublin:

This letter is in reference to your marketing and distribution of the product “Lipostabil.” Examples of the claims for this product found on your Internet website, www.geocities.com/lipodissolve, include:

“A Quick Fix: Bum Fat Away With An Injection” . . . “How its supposed to work: An enzyme called phosphadidyl choline (a.k.a. Lipostabil) is injected into fatty areas, like the butt and thighs, where it is said to break down and dissolve fat, slimming and smoothing the skin. It claims to break down fat deposits with 5-6 injections over 2-3 weeks. Although not a replacement for liposuction because it only minimizes small amounts of fat, it is perfect for the person who wants to lose those last 5-10 pounds.”

The above claims demonstrate that this product is being marketed as an injectable product. As such, it does not qualify as a dietary supplement since it is not intended for ingestion as set forth in section 210(ff)(2)(A)(i) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act).

Based on the route of administration (i.e., injectable) of this product and the claims made for the product to affect the structure or function of the body, it is a “drug” within the meaning of section 201(g) of the Act. Moreover, the product is a “new drug” [section 201(p) of the Act] because there is no substantial evidence that the product is generally recognized as safe and effective for its intended use.

Since the product is a “new drug” it may not be marketed in the United States without an approved new drug application [section 505(a) of the Act]. In addition, in accordance with section 503(b)( 1) of the Act, injectables other than insulin may not be sold directly to consumers.

Furthermore, false promotional statements are being made by you on the website www.geocities.com/lipodissolve such as:

“Though it is widely used in Europe and South America, Lipostabil injections are now being performed in the US. Lipostabil does not have approval from the FDA. It is made of a nutritional supplement lecithin, which does not fall under the FDA’s jurisdiction, that’s why it’s legal to inject and sell Lipostabil.. . You’re probably asking yourself is that legal? Yes it is. Since Lipostabil is made up of a nutritional supplement lecithin, which doesn’t fall under the FDA’s jurisdiction it is legal to inject and sell Lipostabil.. . Lipostabil is developed by the industry leader Aventis.”

The above statement incorrectly states that this product does not require FDA approval for marketing and that this product is legal to be sold and shipped to US consumers. These false and misleading statements on your Internet website cause this drug to be misbranded under section 502(a) of the Act.

This letter is not intended be an all-inclusive review of all labeling and products your firm may market. It is your responsibility to ensure that all products marketed by your firm are in compliance with the Act and implementing regulations.

You are instructed to immediately cease marketing and distributing this product and to take prompt action to correct these violations. Failure to promptly correct violations may result in enforcement action being initiated by the Food and Drug Administration without further notice. The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act provides for the seizure of illegal products and for injunction against the manufacturer and/or distributor of illegal products.

By copies of this letter, we are advising the New York State Department of Health, the State of New York Board of Pharmacy, and the New York Office of Professional Discipline regulatory officials of these violations.

Please notify this office in writing within fifteen (15) working days of receipt of this letter as to the specific steps you have taken to correct the stated violations. Your response should also include an explanation of each step being taken to identify and make corrections to assure that similar violations will not recur. If corrective action cannot be completed within fifteen (15) working days, state the reason for the delay and the time within which corrections will be completed.

You should send your reply to the Food and Drug Administration, 158-15 Liberty Avenue, Jamaica, NY 11433, Attention: Laurence D. Daurio, Compliance Officer.

Sincerely,
/s/
Jerome G. Woyshner
District Director
 
Bascially what I know (which isnt alot) is this:

There are certain drugs that can start what is called "The Death Program" in which fat cells will die

The killing of fat-cells also causes alot cellular debris to be dumped into the body which can cause systemic lupus or even death

....so umm..either the stuff doesnt work or George is trying to kill us.
 
I don't know WTF juicelee is talking about but the stuff has been used safely in Europe and SA for many years, and there are a few practitioners in the US if you look and search under "mesotherapy"
 
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Lipostabil has a tolerance of 60 days at room temperature.

What is the procedure to apply Fosfatidilcolina?
Weekly applications:
Mix: 5 ml. of 300mg Fosfatidilcolina;
2 ml. of 700mcg Tiratricol;
2 ml. of Procaine 2%
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Total mix: 9 ml. divided into 16 different points of 0.55 ml. each.
For this amount, we suggest a treatment in 16 separate points for the application at the patient's discretion. The distance between each point should be 2 cm each.
 
Juice Authority said:
General rule of thumb: If it sounds too good to be true, which it definitely does, it probably is.

I don't know about this one I am sticking with this..........TAPOUTM
 
does anyone know about how to use it? i dont feel like paying 600 for a gun to use it with, but then again i dont want a deformed stomach
 
nautica said:
I will have some here in 2 days. I guess someone needs to be the lab rat.

Nautica

definitely keep us updated...

did you purchase a mesotherapy gun or needles to do the applications with?
 
I havent really looked into procedure as of yet. I was planning on slin needles though.

Do you have any info on how it should be done??

Nautica
 
nautica said:
I will have some here in 2 days. I guess someone needs to be the lab rat.

Nautica

Is it fairly accessible or did you have to go to the black market? Do you need a script? Where'd you order it?
 
nautica said:
Do you have any info on how it should be done??

Nautica

I ran across a description of meso shots; they use 4mm needles (less than 0.2in) and the shot is given at a 60 degrees angle. They target a certain layer of the skin there, so be carefull with the slin pins as they are 0.5in you can easily slip into subQ. The gun would be the best if you have a few hundred to drop.
 
Ok, this sounds like it would be very hard to get into the right layer of skin without the gun. But, is it of the right molecular weight to be used in DMSO?

If so, couldn't someone come out with an "oral" powdered version? It wouldn't have that "no injectables but slin" thing hanging over it's semi-legal head. Just a thought...


Jacob
 
jacshelb said:
Ok, this sounds like it would be very hard to get into the right layer of skin without the gun. But, is it of the right molecular weight to be used in DMSO?

If so, couldn't someone come out with an "oral" powdered version? It wouldn't have that "no injectables but slin" thing hanging over it's semi-legal head. Just a thought...


Jacob

......Interesting
 
Has anyone taken the proverbial leap of faith and used this stuff?

Nautica? Did your pack arrive?
 
Lipostabil = injectable acetyl-l-Carnitine?

Heck then, animal even said it can be used for localized fat loss.

I've been on inj. Alcar for the past 2 months at 1-1.5g/day.

Save your money.

Just buy some pre-made inj. Alcar.

Fonz
 
We talked about this after that 20/20 special over at SuperiorMuscle. Lipostabil isn't the whole answer, rather it's the 'base' of a cocktail of drugs meant to induce localized fat loss. Doctors doing this procedure add "a well-known asthma medication", amongst other things (injectable clen I'm thinking). Also, I think that adding some Yobine to the mix (injectable yohimbine) is also part of the miracle elixir. The doc obviously wasn't going to reveal his entire recipie...but if we all do some digging, maybe we can figure it out.
 
canadianhitman said:
We talked about this after that 20/20 special over at SuperiorMuscle. Lipostabil isn't the whole answer, rather it's the 'base' of a cocktail of drugs meant to induce localized fat loss. Doctors doing this procedure add "a well-known asthma medication", amongst other things (injectable clen I'm thinking). Also, I think that adding some Yobine to the mix (injectable yohimbine) is also part of the miracle elixir. The doc obviously wasn't going to reveal his entire recipie...but if we all do some digging, maybe we can figure it out.

Mixing injectable Clen and injectable yohimbe HCl, is a recipe for tachycardia, and maybe even a myocardial infarction.

I think its just inj. Yohimbe HCL + AlCar HCL then. But Dan Duchaine said Yohimbe HCL inj. was not really viable.

Have to say...if true, that concoction must sting like hell.

Fonz
 
I like where this is going. But, the question remains, is lipostabil inj. acetyl l-carnitine?

And, let's try to piece together what exactly is being used.

What ever happened with the topical pgf-2a? That sounded interesting to me. Anyone have any experiences with that?

Perhaps in the future we can make a comparison between the two. Anything that can kill off fat cells, safely, is interesting to me. It could be a whole new direction for the average everyday bodybuilder.


Jacob
 
Fonz said:
Lipostabil = injectable acetyl-l-Carnitine?

Heck then, animal even said it can be used for localized fat loss.

I've been on inj. Alcar for the past 2 months at 1-1.5g/day.

Save your money.

Just buy some pre-made inj. Alcar.

Fonz

Fonz.......Lipostabil = active ingredient is Phosphatidylcholine.........NOT Alcar!!!
 
Fonz.....

Lipostabil
People in the know are talking about the latest (alleged) miracle fat buster gaining popularity, and it’s called Lipostabil. Plug the word Lipostabil into any internet search engine and you’ll net hundreds of hits that match what is being touted as the injectable answer to liposuction. Then it hits you; nearly all of them are penned in a language other than English and originate outside of the United States. Why?

While those seeking a sleeker waistline, less of a double chin, or an end to saddlebags may be chatting up the promise of this fat dissolving elixir, the Food and Drug Administration hasn’t made a peep. In fact, they have yet to receive an application from the maker, Aventis, the gigantic French pharmaceutical company, for approval in the United States.

It is not that the drug itself hasn’t been approved overseas. Lipostabil is phosphatidylcholine, a liquid form of lecithin, an enzyme which occurs naturally in the body. It was first used in the 1950s to dial down climbing cholesterol and triglyceride numbers and is approved for use, according to the manufacturer, in Brazil, Germany, Italy and South America.

It took Brazilian dermatologist, Patricia Rittes, widely credited with pioneering the treatment often called Lipo-Dissolve, to reincarnate the drug as a pathway to physical perfection. After experimental use as an injectable fat-dissolver by doctors overseas such as Rittes, it started to make its way stateside. Thanks to some anecdotal evidence and off label usage, a few doctors in the United States are now injecting surgery-shy but eager patients in order to send their eye bags packing, whittle pudgy upper arms and reduce other areas often too small to treat with liposuction. You may remember that wrinkle busting Retin-A was only FDA approved as an acne treatment for years before it could claim its wrinkle reducing charms. However, doctors were prescribing it to their creased and lined, albeit unblemished, patients for years before it got the FDA stamp of approval. The same is true for Botox. Doctors found it helped reduce the appearance of wrinkles and used it for that off label purpose before it got the FDA go-ahead to claim it could tame wrinkles. But, Retin-A and Botox were FDA approved drugs. Lipostabil is not approved for any use in the United States. Aventis notes that they did not develop the drug for the popular use it’s currently gaining across the globe.

So, how does Lipostabil work? Depending on the area and the desired results, a patient gets injected with the drug at the trouble site or sites spaced over the course of several weeks. A topical anesthetic is used at the injection site. One may experience some side effects like mild swelling and bruising or itching at the injection site. Then the patient waits a couple of weeks and goes back in for another round of shots. After the treatments are over and the swelling subsides, one should find a new, fat free area in its wake thanks to the fat dissolving properties of the drug. Because no official protocols have been established, how many shots you need depends upon what your doctor advises. How much of the drug to use has been determined by trial and error.

You only need a couple of shots to get rid of that stubborn slab of abdominal flab? Sounds fuss free, and it is... sort of. The snag is that we don’t know more than we do know about this treatment. Random calls to dermatologists and other doctors didn’t net a single one who is currently using the drug, although several dermatologists and other doctors have gone on record in the media that they’re performing the treatment. What’s more, testing of the procedure has been limited to just one 30 person (non-peer reviewed, without a control group) study performed in Brazil testing how the drug worked on the small amounts of fat that make up under-eye bags. Photos from the study do show an improvement, but the results have not been duplicated nor scrutinized in other studies.

The American Society for Aesthetic Plastic Surgery has gone so far as to issue a statement questioning the use of Lipostabil adding the only proven method to permanently remove fat deposits is liposuction. The ASAPS also questions how practitioners will evaluate how much fat is to be removed and raises the issues of whether the drug dissolves other tissue as well, how the body will react to the introduction of an increase in a naturally occurring substance and the potential unknown side effects.

For some, the unknown may be offset by what we do know and the promise of dissolving fat. Anecdotal evidence shows it can ditch an inch or more of fat off your waist, arms or thighs and flatten under eye bags or the chin "wattle." Lipostabil injections may also help with the curse of cellulite, the puckering orange-peel skin that plagues 9 out of 10 women. Some doctors are injecting the drug to dissolve this stubborn fat that often shows up on the back of thighs and the buttocks.

How much will the procedure cost you? Figure on $1,000 to $1,500 per session depending on the part of the body being treated (e.g.- the stomach will cost more than the arms). Also, don’t forget you’ll need several, as many as ten, sessions to get the desired results. Don´t expect to just lay out cash for a new physique. Lipostabil is best used for small areas, whereas liposuction can treat larger areas and remove more fat.


Here's more.......

http://www.dermadoctor.com/pages/newslette...0002B330452B%7D

http://infospace.abcnews.com/_1_2KI7TKH0V7...start=&ver=1428

http://www.elitefitness.com/articledata/ef...efn/081803.html

http://www.zipmed.net/usa/inde_usa.html
 
Cursed over the information and it looks and sounds like an over-priced scam.

You're better off using inj. Yohimbe HCL. Would work much better IMO.

Fonz
 
Ok, so am I reading this correctly when it says "Lipostabil is liquid lecithin"? Or, is it a specific form of lecithin? I mean, you can buy lecithin a lot of places. Hmmm.... I have heard of lecithin being used to burn fat, lower cholesterol and such. Some vegetarian friends of mine used to buy it and take it orally.


Jacob
 
Seems like everyone is pretty excited about this stuff.

I just recieved mine today - it took longer than expected to arrive.

I am probably going to take the plunge this weekend, if i can find the time.

http://lipostabil.net/

btw - I am NOT endorsing their product - I have recieved but have NOT tried.

If you care to wait a couple of weeks I will give you the results.

Nautica
 
Ihave lipostabil and need help on if nayone has the instructions on the dosage. My mom got it done in brazil and it works. I want to self administer- anyone know how? I have the lipostabil.
 
nautica said:
Seems like everyone is pretty excited about this stuff.

I just recieved mine today - it took longer than expected to arrive.

I am probably going to take the plunge this weekend, if i can find the time.

http://lipostabil.net/

btw - I am NOT endorsing their product - I have recieved but have NOT tried.

If you care to wait a couple of weeks I will give you the results.

Nautica


Hey Nautica,

How hacve the results been. It's been a whille since you received it. Tell us about it.
 
This is an understatement and you likely will have to wait 10 days after a set of injects.

'One may experience some side effects like mild swelling and bruising or itching at the injection site.'

If you've have cellulitis, don't freak out as it's much the same.

1ml for each side with 1/10 used per site about 1 inch apart.

If it's mixed right you don't need the local or lidocaine though that's not what you have to worry about as those are gone in hours and the fun kicks in in 2-3 days.
 
Bump.

Ok, it's been a while. Let's hear some more feedback on this. I found this for a decent deal and I want more feedback from people who have run it before I lay down the $$$.
 
you got the real shit??..damn!...i'm buying the ingredients here to make my own....muahahaha....
 
3,530 views and 86 responses, 87 with this one and nobody's tried this stuff??? Come on, Lipostabil users post the fuck up!
 
C'mon brazilian guys...they must have any experience with this...
 
Everything I've read on every forum points to this stuff doing absolutely nothing (save making you into a pin cushion once a week for 5 weeks). The only thing to the contrary of the above is the ONE guy that supposedly went down 4 pants sizes and lost x amount of inches and etc.

...bd
 
Will someone that has actually taken this post up please.

browndog1 - I've heard the same but those that we're saying that didn't speak from actual experience.
 
There were a few guys on MuscleChemistry that actually took it and said they saw nothing... A lot is just hearsay of course so it's tough to know what to believe. I was very tempted at one time to go forward and get some (from the Brazilian site).

I remembered one guy that posts on my home board named "BETA" said he got some results from it. Here's the thread.

http://www.theironplayground.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=683

hope this helps.
..bd
 
Okay, I'll man up and post my results. I tried Lipostabil (cyber-solutions) and shot 5ml a week using it on my face (ouch) for an uncoming model shoot. I have to say that during the five week period I didn't lose jack shit as far as fat but it did hurt like hell and the swelling sucked. Dieting is far superior to using Lipostabil. Keep in mind during my use with Lipostabil I was eating maintenance calories and doing 30 min/cardio 5 x week. I don't know if the brand stuff works better but don't buy UG labs stuff if you really are going to try it.

I can honestly say my face really chisled up after dieting with cardio/yohimburn


Any other thoughts?
 
I have trouble believing someone injected lipostabil in their face. I call bullshit.

This lipostabil is really getting mixed reviews. I have some UG stuff on the way. I'm not injecting until other bros who rec'd from this source have used it with success.

What do you guys think about the kit on zipmed?
 
I know 3 people who used it. myself and 2 people close to me. I took before and after caliper measurements. We did not use the real thing, we used Animal's and Instincts.

Nothing-except pain and bruises. The nice thing about it is - at least there is now a product that makes Brovel look like a good product.
 
Okay i had mesotherapy done last night....she used procaine, phosphatidylcholise (sp) and something else. I will find out what it is. She used a gun to inject me about 200 times...just keep hitting it in the spot a couple times before moving it ...mine was in my stomach. let me tell you...this morning I am brusied and swollen and hurting!! I will let you know if I begin to see anything
 
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