life in a supermax prison

[Gambino]

damn, just read a book about gotti and his fate
sent to marion federal pen

this was his living environment:

-isolated 23 hours a day in a 8*5 cell
-escorted to solo-yard time for an hour everyday by a rolling cage
-1 visit a month that can last 4 hours
-only a black and white tele and radio for electro entertainment
-subjected to random searches
-all phone calls monitored
-in gotti's case, no chance for parole ever!


how the fuck could anyone live like that?
this alone scares me more than any moral opposition to criminal acts

 

[jh1]

Just look at that crazy shit they are doing to that body builder...fug.

Anyway... in Gotti's case... you know that's payback from the fed gov... years of frustration with that guy. He most likely wasn't an escape candiate or anything... it's more like vindication...

damn, just read a book about gotti and his fate
sent to marion federal pen

this was his living environment:

-isolated 23 hours a day in a 8*5 cell
-escorted to solo-yard time for an hour everyday by a rolling cage
-1 visit a month that can last 4 hours
-only a black and white tele and radio for electro entertainment
-subjected to random searches
-all phone calls monitored
-in gotti's case, no chance for parole ever!


how the fuck could anyone live like that?
this alone scares me more than any moral opposition to criminal acts

 

[pdaddy]

I always think about Dahmer and his fate. He was mopping up the bathrooms when another inmate came in and beat the shit out of him with the mop handle untill it broke in half. He then stuck the splintered end up his ass to perforate his bowels.

 

[healother]

it would be better for that man to be dead, than to have to live like that.

i dont understand the stupidity of some judicial systems.

how long ago did this happen?

 

[jh1]

it would be better for that man to be dead, than to have to live like that.

i dont understand the stupidity of some judicial systems.

how long ago did this happen?

You need to read about what that guy did to other peeps Healother... seriously... I am guessing you saw the Max Sec Extraction videos of that Body Builder? Even though he most likely murdered that girl, I still felt somewhat sorry for him... it's just such a hard thing to see a human being brought down that far by the system that 'we' built... it's supposed to be 'MY" system... but I have NO control over it.

Anyway... point being... replace that Body Builder with Dahmer... I'd have NO sympathy for him in the least, in fact I would have went and gotten a bucket of buttery salty popcorn before the show fucking started. He was a sick, sick fuck.

 

[Gambino]

it would be better for that man to be dead, than to have to live like that.

i dont understand the stupidity of some judicial systems.

how long ago did this happen?

what???
how is that stupid? he was responsible for henious violent acts

 

[Gambino]

Just look at that crazy shit they are doing to that body builder...fug.

Anyway... in Gotti's case... you know that's payback from the fed gov... years of frustration with that guy. He most likely wasn't an escape candiate or anything... it's more like vindication...

that's how all supermax residents live, not special for gotti
they are designed for the most severe offenders
i would love to get a tour of one

 

[Raptorex]

so

 

[biteme]

I always think about Dahmer and his fate. He was mopping up the bathrooms when another inmate came in and beat the shit out of him with the mop handle untill it broke in half. He then stuck the splintered end up his ass to perforate his bowels.

That's not what happened. I read the account. He was beat over the head with a metal bar (situp bar). The paramedic said that the scene looked worse than any traffic accident victim he had encountered.

 

[Gambino]

That's not what happened. I read the account. He was beat over the head with a metal bar (situp bar). The paramedic said that the scene looked worse than any traffic accident victim he had encountered.

wikipedia quote

Dahmer served his time at the Columbia Correctional Institute in Portage, Wisconsin, where he became more and more religious over time and ultimately declared himself a born-again Christian. On November 28, 1994, Dahmer and another inmate named Jesse Anderson were brutally beaten to death by fellow inmate Christopher Scarver while on work detail in the prison. Dahmer's death was especially gruesome compared to Anderson's. Scarver caught Dahmer as he tried to run and proceeded to break a broom-stick and inserted it almost three feet into Dahmer's anus and smashed his skull with an iron bar, killing him within minutes. Much controversy surrounded both the decision to allow Dahmer such a privilege as work detail, as well as the pairing of Dahmer with Scarver, a man with a history of brutality who was in for murder. The fact that Scarver was black (and that most of Dahmer's victims were black) did not escape note by critics.

After Dahmer's death and subsequent legal proceedings, a study of his brain was conducted by several scientists. Dahmer's remains were cremated and divided in half between his birth mother Joyce, and his father and stepmother (Lionel and Shari).

 

[healother]

You need to read about what that guy did to other peeps Healother... seriously... I am guessing you saw the Max Sec Extraction videos of that Body Builder? Even though he most likely murdered that girl, I still felt somewhat sorry for him... it's just such a hard thing to see a human being brought down that far by the system that 'we' built... it's supposed to be 'MY" system... but I have NO control over it.

Anyway... point being... replace that Body Builder with Dahmer... I'd have NO sympathy for him in the least, in fact I would have went and gotten a bucket of buttery salty popcorn before the show fucking started. He was a sick, sick fuck.

i havent seen those videos.

i just think that punishment should be done for the purpose of correcting someone's behavior and not for the sake of revenge by making their life miserable.

 

[biteme]

wikipedia quote

Dahmer served his time at the Columbia Correctional Institute in Portage, Wisconsin, where he became more and more religious over time and ultimately declared himself a born-again Christian. On November 28, 1994, Dahmer and another inmate named Jesse Anderson were brutally beaten to death by fellow inmate Christopher Scarver while on work detail in the prison. Dahmer's death was especially gruesome compared to Anderson's. Scarver caught Dahmer as he tried to run and proceeded to break a broom-stick and inserted it almost three feet into Dahmer's anus and smashed his skull with an iron bar, killing him within minutes. Much controversy surrounded both the decision to allow Dahmer such a privilege as work detail, as well as the pairing of Dahmer with Scarver, a man with a history of brutality who was in for murder. The fact that Scarver was black (and that most of Dahmer's victims were black) did not escape note by critics.

Damn, that's gross. The media left out the broomstick part back when it first happened.

After Dahmer's death and subsequent legal proceedings, a study of his brain was conducted by several scientists. Dahmer's remains were cremated and divided in half between his birth mother Joyce, and his father and stepmother (Lionel and Shari).

Damn, that's gross. The media left out the broomstick part back when it first happened

 

[healother]

what???
how is that stupid? he was responsible for henious violent acts

why dont they just execute him instead? i guess if its not legal to do that in illinois, couldnt they at least treat him a little more humanely? no point in treating him like crap when he will no longer be able to harm anyone for the rest of his life.

 

[jh1]

i havent seen those videos.

i just think that punishment should be done for the purpose of correcting someone's behavior and not for the sake of revenge by making their life miserable.

That's not really punishment then, but I agree in principal. They should be corrected... but I beleive those that cannot be rehabilitated or corrected - there's only one way to correct that shit. Death. Dahmer was one of them.

 

[biteme]

i havent seen those videos.

i just think that punishment should be done for the purpose of correcting someone's behavior and not for the sake of revenge by making their life miserable.

I think that would be considered a leftist liberal view. LOL. Jesus was a liberal.

 

[healother]

That's not really punishment then, but I agree in principal. They should be corrected... but I beleive those that cannot be rehabilitated or corrected - there's only one way to correct that shit. Death. Dahmer was one of them.

Death would be more fair than subjecting them to a life of torture, thats for sure.

 

[biteme]

Death would be more fair than subjecting them to a life of torture, thats for sure.

I'm torn on this issue between my feelings of revenge and 2 wrongs don't make a right. An evil for an evil just doesn't sit well with me, but damn, some of these fuckers shouldn't get it so easy after what they did to their victims. Tough decisions. I always sit on the fence.

 

[javaguru]

In Ohio, maximum security is 23 hours a day lockdown, supermax is worse. They probably put him in supermax for his own security as well as the severity of his crime. The guy was probably responsible for countless murders, indirectly.Commit a violent felony in Ohio with a previous record and you can almost gurantee max.

 

[mountain muscle]

The guys who have earned a ticket to Supermax deserve how they get treated. I have no sympathy for them. Most of them should be executed anyway. Supermax is not about rehabilition. It is a giant cage meant to contain the worst criminals this country has until they are dead.

 

[Gambino]

The guys who have earned a ticket to Supermax deserve how they get treated. I have no sympathy for them. Most of them should be executed anyway. Supermax is not about rehabilition. It is a giant cage meant to contain the worst criminals this country has until they are dead.

exactly.
those who are sent to supermax have no redeeming qualities
you don't get sent their by accident or for small offenses
murder, racketerring, pedophila etc
and what's the purpose of rehabbing somebody who is never gonna see freedom again?
that's about 99.99% of the supermax residents

 

[Gambino]

why dont they just execute him instead? i guess if its not legal to do that in illinois, couldnt they at least treat him a little more humanely? no point in treating him like crap when he will no longer be able to harm anyone for the rest of his life.

he never faced the death penalty for whatever reason
so that's why he was not executed
his crimes were committed in ny but since his federal conviction sent him to illinois.
he's responsible for 50 plus murders and countless other acts of violence, drug dealing, and theft.
does that sound like someone who deserves humane treatment?
he was treated humanely by being allowed to live w/o physical torture, something he didn't allow his victims

 

[Razorguns]

it ain't that bad.

ever wonder why so many get out, and the first thing thye do - is reoffend and get back in? and many who dont even wanna leave?

few people actually get into 'the shoe' for any length of time. most are in general.

 

[Gambino]

it ain't that bad.

ever wonder why so many get out, and the first thing thye do - is reoffend and get back in? and many who dont even wanna leave?

few people actually get into 'the shoe' for any length of time. most are in general.

not supermax inmates bor
life with no parole
the majority of prisoners though obiviously aren't in supermax prisons

 

[Razorguns]

not supermax inmates bor
life with no parole
the majority of prisoners though obiviously aren't in supermax prisons

supermax is a misnomer. in cali, we got drug abusers in max security prisons. supermax ain't that bad. heck they still manage to smuggle in drugs, weapons and alcohol. they even have gangs.

 

[Spartacus]

That's not really punishment then, but I agree in principal. They should be corrected... but I beleive those that cannot be rehabilitated or corrected - there's only one way to correct that shit. Death. Dahmer was one of them.

too bad it's mental illness

 

[jh1]

too bad it's mental illness

One could argue there is something mentally wrong with anyone who kills another with premeditation - or any other host of crimes...

So only the ones that have the most severe mental issues - and therefore commit the most severe crimes should be able to way the mental flag... I think not. Unless you're a complete babling retard...

 

[Spartacus]

One could argue there is something mentally wrong with anyone who kills another with premeditation - or any other host of crimes...

So only the ones that have the most severe mental issues - and therefore commit the most severe crimes should be able to way the mental flag... I think not. Unless you're a complete babling retard...

there are sick fucks
and there are selfish fucks
eating human flesh isn't normal
for another human being

 

[Bobbie Sue]

I have done extensive research on Gotti and the bad thing about him as a Costra Nostra Boss is that he had a rule book in which to adhere by.. The rule of the Italian mob is Capesh which means secret. Gotti was a media freak and enjoyed the spotlight. He went against ever rule of the old mob and forced the Government to come after him. He owned the Ravenite Social Club in NY and ever Friday night required all of his Captains and Bosses to attend meetings. The FBI learned more about the mob in 2 years under Gottis rule than the 58 years since Carlo Gambino was boss. Gotti was a street level thug that had no business being over the most powerful family in america. He took leadership of the mob on December 17 1985 after he had his henchmen assasinate Big Paul Castellano in front of Sparks Steak house. He was boss until Feb 1992 until he was sentenced to life in prison at Marion. Gotti is the reason the mob failed. He made his son John Jr. acting boss in June 1992 after he was sentenced and the Government quickly ended his throne with a 1998 conviction of murder for hire and several other violations. He was released from prison in 2003 however 2 months after his release he was arrested on a murder for hire warrant in which he gave the orders to kill a member of the NY post for slandering his father. He is now free on 10 million bond and has endured two trials that have ended in hung jurys. He is being tried again this summer.

 

[Arabian]

I have done extensive research on Gotti and the bad thing about him as a Costra Nostra Boss is that he had a rule book in which to adhere by.. The rule of the Italian mob is Capesh which means secret. Gotti was a media freak and enjoyed the spotlight. He went against ever rule of the old mob and forced the Government to come after him. He owned the Ravenite Social Club in NY and ever Friday night required all of his Captains and Bosses to attend meetings. The FBI learned more about the mob in 2 years under Gottis rule than the 58 years since Carlo Gambino was boss. Gotti was a street level thug that had no business being over the most powerful family in america. He took leadership of the mob on December 17 1985 after he had his henchmen assasinate Big Paul Castellano in front of Sparks Steak house. He was boss until Feb 1992 until he was sentenced to life in prison at Marion. Gotti is the reason the mob failed. He made his son John Jr. acting boss in June 1992 after he was sentenced and the Government quickly ended his throne with a 1998 conviction of murder for hire and several other violations. He was released from prison in 2003 however 2 months after his release he was arrested on a murder for hire warrant in which he gave the orders to kill a member of the NY post for slandering his father. He is now free on 10 million bond and has endured two trials that have ended in hung jurys. He is being tried again this summer.

I just posted this however I was logged in under girl friends name.
Arabian

 

[Gambino]

I just posted this however I was logged in under girl friends name.
Arabian

dude i've read them all
you name it
i got a impressive collection of wiseguy reading material
the best by far is murder machine by jerry capeci

 

[Arabian]

dude i've read them all
you name it
i got a impressive collection of wiseguy reading material
the best by far is murder machine by jerry capeci

Gambino, whats up bro.. is this book good. Ive read alot however I was checking Capeci website out and it look interesting. How is it different than say life and times of Gotti ,, John Gotti, Costra Nostra Bosses, etc.. thanks

 

[Gambino]

Gambino, whats up bro.. is this book good. Ive read alot however I was checking Capeci website out and it look interesting. How is it different than say life and times of Gotti ,, John Gotti, Costra Nostra Bosses, etc.. thanks

i've been a ganglandnews.com afficando since '96
fun site
murder machine is about some small time italian thugs who climb the ladder of crime ruthlessly...murder, drug dealing, car theft.
the "roy demeo gang", as they are loosely reffered to, where linked up with the gambinos. roy's dealings lead to a case against paul castellano, the head gambino. so the characters have cred.
much better than the overplayed gotti story
this is another interesting story
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaetano_Badalamenti
great book about him
http://www.amazon.com/Sicilians-Maf...=sr_1_7/103-0425575-5297445?ie=UTF8&s=booksnd the pizza connection
i should get royalties for promotion

 

[Arabian]

i've been a ganglandnews.com afficando since '96
fun site
murder machine is about some small time italian thugs who climb the ladder of crime ruthlessly...murder, drug dealing, car theft.
the "roy demeo gang", as they are loosely reffered to, where linked up with the gambinos. roy's dealings lead to a case against paul castellano, the head gambino. so the characters have cred.
much better than the overplayed gotti story
this is another interesting story
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaetano_Badalamenti
great book about him ahttp://www.amazon.com/Sicilians-Mafia-Assault-Pizza-Connection/dp/B000IOC2JK/sr=8-7/qid=1166915585/ref=sr_1_7/103-0425575-5297445?ie=UTF8&s=booksnd the pizza connection
i should get royalties for promotion

Thanks Gambino, I will buy them for sure now... I am also going to check out Gangland.. thanks alot

 

[Arabian]

Gambino, Does the Sopranos do the life of the mob justice as far as accurately portraying the life in your opinion?

 

[Gambino]

Gambino, Does the Sopranos do the life of the mob justice as far as accurately portraying the life in your opinion?

i think swole, dunk, or kb would be better qualifed to answer this.
understand i'm just a small town michigan son

but in my opinion, yes to some degree.
they talk too much in sopranos, too loose
i really doubt they would be carrying on business in the bada bing like they do
would certainly be bugged
and i don't think richie aprile killing that hooker would have gone un-investigated, all those witnesses
another thing, they don't get busted enough. IRL, the feds aren't bumbling idiots like they are on that show.
IMO, the odds of a tony living that high flying a life with apparatently no past convictions is unrealisitic

 

[Arabian]

i think swole, dunk, or kb would be better qualifed to answer this.
understand i'm just a small town michigan son

but in my opinion, yes to some degree.
they talk too much in sopranos, too loose
i really doubt they would be carrying on business in the bada bing like they do
would certainly be bugged
and i don't think richie aprile killing that hooker would have gone un-investigated, all those witnesses
another thing, they don't get busted enough. IRL, the feds aren't bumbling idiots like they are on that show.
IMO, the odds of a tony living that high flying a life with apparatently no past convictions is unrealisitic

I agree and also he has no other source of income. At least Gotti claimed he made $125,000 a year selling plumbing supplies for his uncle. How much was Gotti earning at his height per year?

 

[bran987]

I always think about Dahmer and his fate. He was mopping up the bathrooms when another inmate came in and beat the shit out of him with the mop handle untill it broke in half. He then stuck the splintered end up his ass to perforate his bowels.

wait Dahmer turned the tables and ended up sticking the broom up the other dude's ass? or Dahmber got perforated? which?

also, wow at you "always" thinking about that. that man ass.

 

[Gambino]

I agree and also he has no other source of income. At least Gotti claimed he made $125,000 a year selling plumbing supplies for his uncle. How much was Gotti earning at his height per year?

tony does claim income in the garbage business
he has an office, in a eposide he went to it for appearance reasons
and his property is in others names (carmela's dad i think)
unsure of what gotti's take was, people can really only speculate.
during the late 80's, though, nyc had some of the highest construction costs of anywhere in the country...a lot of that is a direct result of gambino inflitration/rackettering/manipulation in the trade unions.

another awesome book
http://www.amazon.com/Takedown-Unde...ef=sr_1_2/103-0425575-5297445?ie=UTF8&s=books

 

[Arabian]

tony does claim income in the garbage business
he has an office, in a eposide he went to it for appearance reasons
and his property is in others names (carmela's dad i think)
unsure of what gotti's take was, people can really only speculate.
during the late 80's, though, nyc had some of the highest construction costs of anywhere in the country...a lot of that is a direct result of gambino inflitration/rackettering/manipulation in the trade unions.

another awesome book
http://www.amazon.com/Takedown-Unde...ef=sr_1_2/103-0425575-5297445?ie=UTF8&s=books

I know in the court transcripts Sammy Gravino testified that he gave Gotti over 1 million a year from his illegal and legal enterprises. It is speculated that Gotti pocketed as much as 15 million a year which I feel would be inlin. The Gambino family was estimated at 500 million a year in legal and illegal revenue..

 

[Gambino]

I know in the court transcripts Sammy Gravino testified that he gave Gotti over 1 million a year from his illegal and legal enterprises. It is speculated that Gotti pocketed as much as 15 million a year which I feel would be inlin. The Gambino family was estimated at 500 million a year in legal and illegal revenue..

for the most part gotti and the gambinos got to keep their ill gotten gains
his sentencing didn't include a lot of gov't forefiture

 

[Wulfgar]

lotta loving, forgiving christian morals going around in this thread

 

[jh1]

lotta loving, forgiving christian morals going around in this thread

because... after all... we *ALL* are christians... ya know...

 

[Arabian]

because... after all... we *ALL* are christians... ya know...

Oh no, I hope Lestat does not see this..lol

 

[Nobledude]

wikipedia quote

Dahmer served his time at the Columbia Correctional Institute in Portage, Wisconsin, where he became more and more religious over time and ultimately declared himself a born-again Christian. On November 28, 1994, Dahmer and another inmate named Jesse Anderson were brutally beaten to death by fellow inmate Christopher Scarver while on work detail in the prison. Dahmer's death was especially gruesome compared to Anderson's. Scarver caught Dahmer as he tried to run and proceeded to break a broom-stick and inserted it almost three feet into Dahmer's anus and smashed his skull with an iron bar, killing him within minutes. Much controversy surrounded both the decision to allow Dahmer such a privilege as work detail, as well as the pairing of Dahmer with Scarver, a man with a history of brutality who was in for murder. The fact that Scarver was black (and that most of Dahmer's victims were black) did not escape note by critics.

no doubt they were paired up for a obvious reason...
After Dahmer's death and subsequent legal proceedings, a study of his brain was conducted by several scientists. Dahmer's remains were cremated and divided in half between his birth mother Joyce, and his father and stepmother (Lionel and Shari).

no doubt they were paired up for obvious reason...

 

[Gambino]

lotta loving, forgiving christian morals going around in this thread

so we should forgive john gotti?
trying telling that to the 50 plus victims

 

[Spartacus]

I have done extensive research on Gotti and the bad thing about him as a Costra Nostra Boss is that he had a rule book in which to adhere by.. The rule of the Italian mob is Capesh which means secret. Gotti was a media freak and enjoyed the spotlight. He went against ever rule of the old mob and forced the Government to come after him. He owned the Ravenite Social Club in NY and ever Friday night required all of his Captains and Bosses to attend meetings. The FBI learned more about the mob in 2 years under Gottis rule than the 58 years since Carlo Gambino was boss. Gotti was a street level thug that had no business being over the most powerful family in america. He took leadership of the mob on December 17 1985 after he had his henchmen assasinate Big Paul Castellano in front of Sparks Steak house. He was boss until Feb 1992 until he was sentenced to life in prison at Marion. Gotti is the reason the mob failed. He made his son John Jr. acting boss in June 1992 after he was sentenced and the Government quickly ended his throne with a 1998 conviction of murder for hire and several other violations. He was released from prison in 2003 however 2 months after his release he was arrested on a murder for hire warrant in which he gave the orders to kill a member of the NY post for slandering his father. He is now free on 10 million bond and has endured two trials that have ended in hung jurys. He is being tried again this summer.

and now we have Jamaicans,niggers,russians and mexicans running the show
there's always going to be a "show"
clap,clap FBI
fuckheads

 

[Spartacus]

MS-13 or whatever the fuck
a strong mafia would never have tolerated this shit
and the mob operated within rules
there won't be any "Godfather" movie made about the mexican mafia

 

[Gambino]

MS-13 or whatever the fuck
a strong mafia would never have tolerated this shit
and the mob operated within rules
there won't be any "Godfather" movie made about the mexican mafia

Mara Salvatrucha is a large gang involved in criminal activities throughout the world. The gang's name is commonly abbreviated as MS-13, Mara, MS, and is composed of mostly Salvadorans. The MS-13 gang has cliques, or factions, located throughout the United States and is unique in that it retains its ties to its Salvadoran counterparts.

Their membership is believed to total over 50,000 in the United States alone.[1] MS-13 criminal activities include drug smuggling and sales, black market gun sales, human trafficking, assassinations for hire, theft, and assaults on law enforcement officials.[2] Their activities have caught the eye of the FBI, who in September 2005 initiated wide-scale raids against suspected gang members, netting 650 arrests across the country.[3]

Former gang member Brenda Paz said that MS 13 is well structured, with multiple leaders, and that MS' goal was to become the top gang in the United States.[3]

 

[UA_Iron]

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Prison_System/CrimePunish_Pelican.html

read about pelican bay.

I would be hard pressed not to kill myself before going there.

 

[Spartacus]

Mara Salvatrucha is a large gang involved in criminal activities throughout the world. The gang's name is commonly abbreviated as MS-13, Mara, MS, and is composed of mostly Salvadorans. The MS-13 gang has cliques, or factions, located throughout the United States and is unique in that it retains its ties to its Salvadoran counterparts.

Their membership is believed to total over 50,000 in the United States alone.[1] MS-13 criminal activities include drug smuggling and sales, black market gun sales, human trafficking, assassinations for hire, theft, and assaults on law enforcement officials.[2] Their activities have caught the eye of the FBI, who in September 2005 initiated wide-scale raids against suspected gang members, netting 650 arrests across the country.[3]

Former gang member Brenda Paz said that MS 13 is well structured, with multiple leaders, and that MS' goal was to become the top gang in the United States.[3]

and the FBI ain't going to ever put a dent into those dimwits

 

[Spartacus]

now the animal gangs take over

 

[RottenWillow]

i just think that punishment should be done for the purpose of correcting someone's behavior and not for the sake of revenge by making their life miserable.

U.S. Corrections gave up on the rehabilitation paradigm I think about 25 years ago. Now for the most part it's just punishment.

 

[Spartacus]

U.S. Corrections gave up on the rehabilitation paradigm I think about 25 years ago. Now for the most part it's just punishment.

the mafia had their own corrections program
worked too
instead of this crap

 

[redguru]

Craig Titus has attempted to escape, and has been attempting to plot the murder of three witnesses, that is why the guards are taking the precautions in those videos. He's scum. BTW, here are the videos that JH1 was talking about.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/video/titus1mov.html

http://www.reviewjournal.com/video/titus2mov.html

http://www.reviewjournal.com/video/titus3mov.html