LGD 4033 >hardgainer cycle log/advice ?

[ThunderWand]

Hey everyone. I'm submitting myself to science here, and recording the data for any hard gainers out there interested in a bulk.

BG:
I'm 26, 170pounds, 5'11" and have been lifting for almost 2 years. It's taken ages to put on weight, and walked around at 155 for most of my adult life. This is my first cycle of any supplement other than creatine. My goal is to do an 80-90% clean bulk and see what I can put on without blowing up the love handles.

Cycle:
Lgd 4033
Wk1- 1-2mg
Wk2- 3 mg
Wk3- 4 mg
Wk4- 5 mg
Wk5- 6 mg
Wk6- 7 mg

I plan on also running n2gard, and hcgenerate because I have a horny girlfriend.

PCT:
I plan on 4 weeks of HCgenerate, Unleashed/Post Cycle, and Forza.

I put this plan together based on other logs I've read so if you have any advise, I'd appreciate it. I want to stay as natural as possible because I have potential drug screens coming up in 2 months for work that I need to clear, and I've heard serms can trigger positives.

The gear is in the mail, and I'll start as soon as it arrives.

 

[Dr_MD]

Exactly how I would do it....except I'd prob not bother with the n2.

 

[jtmdell]

You will probably see much better results if you run the lgd at 10mg a day for the whole cycle, up to 12 weeks. I'm on it now, along with gw and am very pleased with the results. Good luck.

 

[ThunderWand]

Exactly how I would do it....except I'd prob not bother with the n2.

Is n2 mostly for organ support for when on more toxic aas cycles ? I'm still trying to figure out why it was included in some lgd cycles.

 

[ThunderWand]

You will probably see much better results if you run the lgd at 10mg a day for the whole cycle, up to 12 weeks. I'm on it now, along with gw and am very pleased with the results. Good luck.

Thanks for the feedback. I certainly may up the dosage, but I've read that LGD loses its effectiveness around the 7th/8th week unless you are constantly increasing dosage. That is why I was ramping up every week. I've also read the opposite though, lots of conflicting information on this sarm !

 

[Raff]

Start at 4mg/day on week1, then bump up to 8mg/day on week 2, then up to 10mg for the rest of the cycle. And go longer than 6 weeks. Run it for 10weeks.
If you're prone to gyno, it'd be smart to run a low dose of Aromasin (AG-guys) with it. Something like 12.5mg EOD. Or something like DSpark (n2bm) would cover your tboosting and AI needs.
You didn't need the n2guard for an LGD only cycle. PCT looks fine, I'd say ou don't even need the Forma. Just run HCGenerate ES and unleashed/post cycle combo. Good luck!

 

[dylangemelli]

start at 10 mg from the start... i assure you that you will see a significant difference in results and won't have any more sides... do it like that bro or your not going to see the results you should... 6 weeks is far too short as well... your leaving so much on the table.. i am always so confused as to why guys don't run a full cycle when the gains are there to be made... don't cut yourself short here man... run it 12 weeks at 10 mg day...

hcgenerate is included in every sarms cycle for a very specific reason... HcGenerate is specifically designed to keep on cycle suppression to a minimum, making your transition into pct much smoother, allowing for an optimal recovery and more keepable gains… It also testicular shrinkage and your libido strong on cycle...

I think that explains it!


in your mini pct, make sure your running the es version...

 

[RickRock13]

Definitely run 10mg from the start. Your gains will be much better if you do

 

[Shrine1]

I agree with the guys bro.. Dose that LGD higher and you will see some great gains.

Couple things to think about.. Be sure you have a AI on hand- Aromasin comes to mind, just in case you are gyno sensitive.

As far as N2Guard goes.. you always want to run N2Guard on EVERY cycle. It's going to assist you in maintaining a healthy lipid profile, help manage blood pressure, provide you with a little liver protection, amongst many other things. I never run a cycle without N2Guard... Even when just using sarms

 

[ThunderWand]

Thanks for all of thr advice bros, I have letro and a dex on hand as a backup. I have some drug screenings coming up for blood and urine in 2 months so I wanted to try to be over pct by then to be safe. Does anyone know if lgd or any of these pct supps can trigger anything ?

 

[Jbranken]

Having run LGD several times, I agree that your starting dose is no good. I normally start at 8mg and increase 1mg each week of the cycle. Btw, that is one solid pct! I've had very successful recoveries with unleashed and hcgenerate. I'd also consider throwing ostarine in your pct to maintain your gains

 

[Dr_MD]

The clinical trial showed a 1.5 kg increase in lean muscle in people taking only 1 mg a day for 4 weeks. So imagine what this will do to someone that actively works out. In reality, you're "probably" getting an under dosed bottle of LGD (sorry reps.....again, this comes from research in scientific journals) so I would say a 5 mg/day would be a good start,. Up to you though. I just started my run of LGD from SARMS1, i'll be running 5 mg/day for 8 weeks with HCGenES and Forma. PCT will be unleashed and HCGen

 

[hurricane]

Having run LGD several times, I agree that your starting dose is no good. I normally start at 8mg and increase 1mg each week of the cycle. Btw, that is one solid pct! I've had very successful recoveries with unleashed and hcgenerate. I'd also consider throwing ostarine in your pct to maintain your gains

osta is a must , if you want to maximize pct.

 

[ThunderWand]

Definitely run 10mg from the start. Your gains will be much better if you do

I have only 1 10mgx30ml bottle on hand, so I'm forced to stick within 300mg's for the full cycle. Should I go for higher doses and less time or more time at lower doses ? Keep in mind, this is my first sarm cycle.

 

[ThunderWand]

osta is a must , if you want to maximize pct.

Can I use Osta to replace hcgenerate or unleashed/pct ? My budget is limited, so I need to prioritize.

 

[ThunderWand]

Ok, the rest of my gear should arrive tomorrow abd I'll begin the log. I've seen varying opinions on this, so should I take the dose before my workout, in the am with breakfast, or does it matter ? I've mostly seen people taking it some time in the am, but they never mention if it's consistant with their workout sched. I usually lift around 2 pm.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

Osta isn't suppressive but it isn't good for restarting the hpta either. I'd stick with the hcgenerate or I'd bartend a few nights and get the osta too

 

[stevesmi]

The clinical trial showed a 1.5 kg increase in lean muscle in people taking only 1 mg a day for 4 weeks. So imagine what this will do to someone that actively works out. In reality, you're "probably" getting an under dosed bottle of LGD (sorry reps.....again, this comes from research in scientific journals)

lol.

look at my avatar.. you think someone my size can seriously gain what guys in these clinical studies gain?

you are comparing apples to oranges.

its the same thing as reading guys who put on 20 pounds of weight on a 10 week steroid cycle. if you are underweight of course you are going to put on a ton of mass easily. doesn't mean shit.

 

[hurricane]

Can I use Osta to replace hcgenerate or unleashed/pct ? My budget is limited, so I need to prioritize.

no you cant.osta wont help you recover, it will help you keep gains in pct.

 

[ThunderWand]

Day 1 - I started on a dose of 2mg for the first week today since it is my first cycle, and I'm taking the advice to stay around the 5-8mg dosage for 8 weeks.
I had some vivid dreams tonight whaich was interesting. I'm going to start taking in the AM.

Day 2 - 2mg-Had a great lift today, no sides, but no noticable increases

Day 3 - 2mg- Had a good cardio session today. No sides, and feeling generally energetic.

 

[dylangemelli]

bro, i promise you that your going to regret not listening and dosing it accordingly at 10 mg day... your wasting it... I hope you bump it... good luck bro...

 

[hurricane]

i agree i would dose it at 10 mg as well.i dont see a problem with that dose at all.

 

[stevesmi]

start at 10 mg from the start... i assure you that you will see a significant difference in results and won't have any more sides... do it like that bro or your not going to see the results you should... 6 weeks is far too short as well... your leaving so much on the table.. i am always so confused as to why guys don't run a full cycle when the gains are there to be made... don't cut yourself short here man... run it 12 weeks at 10 mg day...

hcgenerate is included in every sarms cycle for a very specific reason... HcGenerate is specifically designed to keep on cycle suppression to a minimum, making your transition into pct much smoother, allowing for an optimal recovery and more keepable gains… It also testicular shrinkage and your libido strong on cycle...

I think that explains it!


in your mini pct, make sure your running the es version...

dude listen to Dylan, he is the pro on sarms.

 

[ThunderWand]

bro, i promise you that your going to regret not listening and dosing it accordingly at 10 mg day... your wasting it... I hope you bump it... good luck bro...

Thanks for the advice bro's, I was basing this cycle off of what I had read on this forum a few months ago. Many of you guys were promoting 3-6mg/day, but it looks like that has changed ? As soon as I can get some spending money, I'll up it to 10.

Whats the beat deal going on right now for lgd ?

 

[dylangemelli]

Thanks for the advice bro's, I was basing this cycle off of what I had read on this forum a few months ago. Many of you guys were promoting 3-6mg/day, but it looks like that has changed ? As soon as I can get some spending money, I'll up it to 10.

Whats the beat deal going on right now for lgd ?

there was bad info being passed around on the dosing which all started with uniques ridiculous write up... i showed the studies that were done on humans of them up to 22 mg day of lgd with no sides and minimal to no suppression... I have found that 10 mg is the optimal dose through personal results, seeing others results and the many clients i have had on it...

the best price is the buy 2 get 1 free... you can mix and match on that as well...

 

[ThunderWand]

Day 12 - today I upped the dosage to 5mg/day. I was at 2mg from day 1-7, and 3mg from day 8-11. I had some good lifts, slight increase in energy and endurance, but that was about it. I have noticed some twitching. Mostly in my hands and fingers but also in my legs and feet when they were in weak positions. Has anyone noticed this as a side ?

Today I had a great back/bi lift with a noticable increase in endurance and strength. I was able to lift my pr's but for 1-3 extra reps, and with a little less struggle. I also looked a little more pumped and vascular. The only sides were possibly sweating more abd a little bit of twitching. We,ll see if this keeps up !
I'll be upping to 10mg once I track down another bottle.

 

[ThunderWand]

Day 13 - 5mg: I think this stuff has officially kicked in. I did shoulders/traps/forearms last night and and put an extra 5lbs on my mil press with a few more reps. I also looked a little more pumped and vascular than usual in the mirror. I noticed a few smaller veins starting to pop in my mid delt.

I'm still noticing some unusual twitching.
I hope this keeps up, so far so good !

 

[mikkeltaylor]

Nice progress mate, any other sides apart from the twitching ?


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[Yagley9]

there was bad info being passed around on the dosing which all started with uniques ridiculous write up... i showed the studies that were done on humans of them up to 22 mg day of lgd with no sides and minimal to no suppression... I have found that 10 mg is the optimal dose through personal results, seeing others results and the many clients i have had on it...

the best price is the buy 2 get 1 free... you can mix and match on that as well...

we can mix and match? so buy 2 lgd and we'd get the third of our choosing? (just making sure i'm reading this correctly)

 

[Shrine1]

we can mix and match? so buy 2 lgd and we'd get the third of our choosing? (just making sure i'm reading this correctly)

just send sarms1 a email.. they will give you the proper direction so you get the combo you want

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[ThunderWand]

Nice progress mate, any other sides apart from the twitching ?


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Nothing so far. Im keeping an eye out for sweats, acne, and increased heart rate but so far just the twitching.

 

[ThunderWand]

Hey everyone. I have been taking 10mg of unique for the past week and a half and have kind of stopped progress. My lifts have been decent, but nothing out of the ordinary, so I haven't had much to update on here.

Well, today I receieved 3 bottles of sarms1 lgd and started on 10mg today. Good god, that stuff tastes like pure ethanol and burns a bit. It is very different than Unique's lgd which just tasted like bitter liquid.

I'm going to go for 12 weeks at 10mg/day and see what happens. As soon as it kicks in, I'll be more active with updates.

Stay tuned !

 

[dylangemelli]

Hey everyone. I have been taking 10mg of unique for the past week and a half and have kind of stopped progress. My lifts have been decent, but nothing out of the ordinary, so I haven't had much to update on here.



Well, today I receieved 3 bottles of sarms1 lgd and started on 10mg today. Good god, that stuff tastes like pure ethanol and burns a bit. It is very different than Unique's lgd which just tasted like bitter liquid.



I'm going to go for 12 weeks at 10mg/day and see what happens. As soon as it kicks in, I'll be more active with updates.



Stay tuned !

You will notice a huge difference with sarms1... Unique sells a bunk product as you have already seen... Keep the updates coming bro

 

[ThunderWand]

If the flavor is any indicator, S1 must be a whole other beast !

 

[dylangemelli]

If the flavor is any indicator, S1 must be a whole other beast !

that's because s1's is actually suspended properly and the other, well, you already know... you are going to love sarms 1 lgd bro... keep the updates coming... its going to be a much different experience for you now... time to make some gains!

 

[ThunderWand]

It's been 3 days since I switched over to Sarms1 10mg/day and I had a great chest/tri day. I was hitting all of my usual working weights for reps, and still had plenty of energy after my session. I felt like I could've kept going, but I had to go to work.

As of day 1 on Sarms1 LGD I was 175 14% bf.

 

[ThunderWand]

Day 4 - back/bi/forearms

Had a great lift today with good strength and pumps. After back/bi I still had plenty of energy and decided to add forearms and some ab's. I didn't hit any new pr's but definitely was looking good.

So far no twitching like before, but after my lift I had some pretty brutal cramps that seized up my bicep and arm. It hurt like a bitch until I massaged my arms pretty deep until it eventually went away.

 

[hurricane]

Great work buddy, keep it up! im here all the way with you to help assist any problems or questions you might have.