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samoth

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I'm sick of reading about karma-whoring people complaining that their virtual green dots might not procreate as fast as before.

So in that vain, this is a karma award thread. Feel free to post anything personal-chat related, science related, or just say "hi". I will award these points to whoever I think makes the biggest contribution to this board [in general, not in this thread]. If it is a tossup, I will award the multiple parties equally.




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HumanTarget said:
well, i thought we'd tlk about prescription drugs. something that really isn't spoken of much in a sensible light.

I'm down, but I gotta eat first. I'll be back soon, though.

BTW, have you ever been to Bluelight? They are the EF of the drug/chem world. If you haven't checked them out, it's www.bluelight.nu. Some of the stuff in the Advanced Drug Discussion forum over there is over my head -- with them comparing NMR's of different enantiomers of isomorphic amphetamine molecules.



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samoth said:
I'm down, but I gotta eat first. I'll be back soon, though.

BTW, have you ever been to Bluelight? They are the EF of the drug/chem world. If you haven't checked them out, it's www.bluelight.nu. Some of the stuff in the Advanced Drug Discussion forum over there is over my head -- with them comparing NMR's of different enantiomers of isomorphic amphetamine molecules.



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i've just been completely immersed in drug talk at my current job. most drugs for the mentally ill, but those also are giving to many other sectors of society. i'll have to check it out.
 
HumanTarget said:
well, i thought we'd tlk about prescription drugs. something that really isn't spoken of much in a sensible light.

BTW, benzo's and ROH don't mix well. Well, actually they do, if you want to get fucked up beyond belief and not remember a damned thing.

You ever take clonazepam? (Klonopin?)

And I SWEAR there's a synergistic mechanism between clonazepam/benzodiazepams and Neurontin (gabapentin with non-affinity to GABA sites, nor does it work as a GABA agonist OR antagonist... in fact, almost 100% of what is bioavailably absorbed is excreted unchanged, with no metabolites whatsoever. Might imply there's no CYP enzyme to metabolize it, but what does that mean?)



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HumanTarget said:
i've just been completely immersed in drug talk at my current job. most drugs for the mentally ill, but those also are giving to many other sectors of society. i'll have to check it out.

Yeah, 5mg dextroamphetamines were given to figher pilots in WWII. (Or so multitudes of rumors have stated... I have yet to see any dispositive proof)

Not all drugs are bad. Many help. That's where my area of interest lies (that, and fixing my fucking nerve damage in my fucking brain that the fucking surgeon fucked up on. . . . . okay, I'm done now... lol





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samoth said:
BTW, benzo's and ROH don't mix well. Well, actually they do, if you want to get fucked up beyond belief and not remember a damned thing.

You ever take clonazepam? (Klonopin?)

And I SWEAR there's a synergistic mechanism between clonazepam/benzodiazepams and Neurontin (gabapentin with non-affinity to GABA sites, nor does it work as a GABA agonist OR antagonist... in fact, almost 100% of what is bioavailably absorbed is excreted unchanged, with no metabolites whatsoever. Might imply there's no CYP enzyme to metabolize it, but what does that mean?)



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yes. twice last week as a matter of a fact. my assistant gave them to me because my xanax script wasn't ready. they were quite pleasing, in a calm and focusing way. but....once i got my xanax, he upped the mg's to .5's and switched the Effexor to Wellbutrin. ever since i've been quite hostile. boarderline raging. i hope this is because i didn't allow for a wash out period. speaking of which, time to pop one.
 
4everhung said:
subscribed
I need some nootropics
suggestions?

I've taken multiple cycles of nootropics: name brand, generics, solo chems, stacks of nootropics, ad nauseum.

There's so much out there info-wise, but it's getting near impossible to separate the REAL info from the info pushed by the sellers (like the guys/sponsers at EF pushing their pseudo-nootropic blends... sorry, but their ingredient list is full of bullshit NON-nootropic chems save a small amount of a coulple actual real nootropics.

Piracetam and it's more expensive and potent analogue oxycetam (I might be off on the spellings, it's been a while) are by far the most famous. I've tried Piracetam up to 2.4g TID and even more in the initial phase. Results were difficult to distinguish from that of placebo, to be honest. There's a huge debate over whether piracetam can even be considered a drug, because there is no known level of toxicity. ALL drugs display some toxicity to some degree in superphysiological doses... piracetam does not at ANY dose. That definitely raises some eyebrowes.

Hydergine does something. I don't know what, there's a marked effect on the organism upon the consumption of larger doses. Also seems to enhance or play some synergistic role with piracetam and it's analogues. However, Hydergine is not approved for sale in the U.S. and customs WILL snatch it. However, it is legal to possess and use. Superphysiological doses result in a light-headed dizziness, not euphoric, yet not disphoric.

If I had to suggest a drug to help with memory, it would be vasopressin/desmopressin. It's approved use in the U.S. is for nighttime enuresis (umm... yeah, go look that one up, lol), meaning it has anti-diuretic properties (which can interact with many other drugs, so talk to a doc or pharmacist). What desmopressin does is help with memory encoding, whereas 'real' nootropics, last I heard, were defined as drugs that helped with memory recall. Desmopressin is the only nootropic/pseudonootropic that has had any drug-like effect and positive, noticable effect on my memory (that could be differentiated from placebo).

There's a lot of so-called "nootropics" or "smart drugs" out there, but in reality, the only real nootropics are supplements... not drugs. They are not magic, and may or may not help to a small degree.

There's a great site going over clinical trials and research involving nootropics and other drugs (from a site NOT selling you anything), but I need to check my other computer for the addy. I believe www.bluelight.com might have a board on nootropics as well.

In my personal opinion, ignore whaterver "nootropic-esque" talk and products that EF members are selling. A good number of REAL nootropics are Rx only, or not approved for sale in the U.S. ... leaving only crap for chemicals in the Neurontix or Neurogenix mixtures or whatever. But I'll admit, they're good with pushing propaganda about how "wonderful" their products are, and how they have people claiming they work immediately.... total BS.

HTH



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samoth said:
In my personal opinion, ignore whaterver "nootropic-esque" talk and products that EF members are selling. A good number of REAL nootropics are Rx only, or not approved for sale in the U.S. ... leaving only crap for chemicals in the Neurontix or Neurogenix mixtures or whatever. But I'll admit, they're good with pushing propaganda about how "wonderful" their products are, and how they have people claiming they work immediately.... total BS.

HTH



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lmao, right after i post on the mod board about you being a mod you had to bash the AF products :lmao:
samoth said:
Ever been presecribed benzos?

Better yet, ever been presecribed benzos and downed them with alcohol?

*BOOM* instant memory loss, lol.
yeah, it was scary actually. when i was in college my brother got like 10 4-bar xanaxes, we took 1 each and then had a few shots of rum. woke up the next day like after 14 hours and had emptied out our entire closets and thrown the clothes all over the apartment and all 10 xanax were gone. don't remember a single thing. never did that again, i could've killed myself and not known it.
 
#1 before you start tossing out conclusions, you might want to get your facts straight.
#2 Neurogenex contains Piractem (2-oxo)- 400mg/cap- an effective dose (you may debate its action)
#3 Neurogenex contains galantamine hydrobromide (sold under the trade name reminyl and razadyne)- FDA approved for alzheimers. (galantamine is plant derived and naturally occuring)
#4 vinpocetine, bacopin, huperzine and choline dihydrogen citrate all have established research backing their actions.
 
bran987 said:
are you serious?
seriously, Bran. i've been going thru a series of med changes over the last few months and have had to deal with 4-6 weeks of side effects so i can find out which one is best for me. this time around it's Wellbutrin. i'm also on lisinopril (for BP) and xanax. the xanax dosage was upped because it wasn't enough. one of the sides of the previous med was migraines and nausea and very disrupted sleep. the most i typically got at one time was 3-4 hours before i was wide awake again. So, Friday. i take .5 mg of xanax around 6pm. 8pm i'm asleep and don't wake till 9am the next morning. i did the same thing yesterday, but i swear i went to bed at 8, but my last posts were after 9, which i don't remember.
 
bran987 said:
lmao, right after i post on the mod board about you being a mod you had to bash the AF products :lmao:

Read the sticky here.

This is a science board about TRUE SCIENCE. No lies, manipulation, drug-pushing. This is a forum for pure, unadulterated scientific analysis and I will NOT hold back because someone wants money.

I will not "bash" others' products. But I WILL state the truth behind them. And the truth is that there is VERY LITTLE, IF ANY, SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT NOOTROPICS DO ANYTHING WHATSOEVER.

I will always stand by my morals. And science is about truth, not making money by bending the truth and manipulating people. I can't tolerate that.



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macrophage69alpha said:
#1 before you start tossing out conclusions, you might want to get your facts straight.
#2 Neurogenex contains Piractem (2-oxo)- 400mg/cap- an effective dose (you may debate its action)
#3 Neurogenex contains galantamine hydrobromide (sold under the trade name reminyl and razadyne)- FDA approved for alzheimers. (galantamine is plant derived and naturally occuring)
#4 vinpocetine, bacopin, huperzine and choline dihydrogen citrate all have established research backing their actions.

Of course you say this, you sell these items. You make money off them when people buy them, whether or not they work.

I wanted this forum for actual discussion, not drug/supp-pushers trying to make a buck.

IF YOU SELL IT, DON'T TALK ABOUT IT HERE. This is an unbiased forum where people WON'T get shot down for speaking something that the buisnessmen and advertisers don't agree with.

Thanks for your cooperation and compliance.

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samoth said:
Of course you say this, you sell these items. You make money off them when people buy them, whether or not they work.

I wanted this forum for actual discussion, not drug/supp-pushers trying to make a buck.

IF YOU SELL IT, DON'T TALK ABOUT IT HERE. This is an unbiased forum where people WON'T get shot down for speaking something that the buisnessmen and advertisers don't agree with.

Thanks for your cooperation and compliance.

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sorry for not voting on your poll & getting away from the topic. where's Stephen Hawking? he's not smart enough?
 
samoth said:
Of course you say this, you sell these items. You make money off them when people buy them, whether or not they work.

I wanted this forum for actual discussion, not drug/supp-pushers trying to make a buck.

IF YOU SELL IT, DON'T TALK ABOUT IT HERE. This is an unbiased forum where people WON'T get shot down for speaking something that the buisnessmen and advertisers don't agree with.

Thanks for your cooperation and compliance.

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I would agree this will place bias on "the word on the street" in terms of the effectiveness of prescription and OTC drugs

Trust me , me and Macro have had PM's on this topic and he knows that
 
samoth said:
Read the sticky here.

This is a science board about TRUE SCIENCE. No lies, manipulation, drug-pushing. This is a forum for pure, unadulterated scientific analysis and I will NOT hold back because someone wants money.

I will not "bash" others' products. But I WILL state the truth behind them. And the truth is that there is VERY LITTLE, IF ANY, SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT NOOTROPICS DO ANYTHING WHATSOEVER.

I will always stand by my morals. And science is about truth, not making money by bending the truth and manipulating people. I can't tolerate that.



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dude it's your board I agree with you, it was just ironic is all. cracked me up.
 
samoth,
you made very open ended statement about a product which you have little knowledge of. So if you dont want your views on nootropics contradicted dont mention neurogenex.

while in agreement that there is conflicting data on the racetams, your lumping of neurogenex into a category without looking at the research behind the ingredients is not "scientific" nor particularly informative.


just enter those terms on pubmed
 
macrophage69alpha said:
samoth,
you made very open ended statement about a product which you have little knowledge of. So if you dont want your views on nootropics contradicted dont mention neurogenex.

while in agreement that there is conflicting data on the racetams, your lumping of neurogenex into a category without looking at the research behind the ingredients is not "scientific" nor particularly informative.


just enter those terms on pubmed

Then the issue is settled and resolved then.



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Einstein would be the choice from about 99% of "typical" Americans. and that's because Einstein is usually used in conjunction with some sort of insult.
 
bran987 said:
for some reason I don't think macro is gonna win the 100,000 pts.

I hold nothing against him whatsoever.

Consider it "professional disagreements". I see where he is coming from, and don't hold that against him.

I just put the k award for some fun and contribution in this forum. It's open to anyone. (But the k award has nothing to do with this specific thread, this is just a fun chatty-thread where I loaded the karma, nothing more.)



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HumanTarget said:
i was in this hoping a new forum could take off. i think this could be a goldmine.

Ditto here. I would like myself or a certain number of other people I know here have mod-like powers, even if in this platinum member created board only. That would enable me/us to attach the appropriate stickys, and kinda lead the board.

I like this board, and will continue to hide here 'till that karma BS drama goes away in chat, but I haven't been all that active here (relatively speaking, lol) because I can't do much here. There's no one in charge of this forum. If someone wants to come here and spam, someone needs to petition a mod, have them take care of it, yadda yadda.

Right now, it's just another run-of-the-mill platinum member board with no leadership and no direction, full of random people and semi-random posts somewhat discontinuous.

But no one said things are dead and done here, either ;)



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AAP said:
I need the K. I will vote for anybody.

Voting for Mr. Feynman will definitely help, he is the most important and prominent physicist of the 20th century.

fuck einstein!

435px-Feynman-bongos.jpg




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HumanTarget said:
Niels Bohr?

His model of the atom sucked. He's the reason people think electrons are tiny little balls spinning in an orbit around a nucleus.

That and the whole conservation of energy thing are terrible lies they need to stop teaching in high school.



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samoth said:
His model of the atom sucked. He's the reason people think electrons are tiny little balls spinning in an orbit around a nucleus.

That and the whole conservation of energy thing are terrible lies they need to stop teaching in high school.



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pretty harsh assessment. i'm sure he was pretty cool otherwise.
 
HumanTarget said:
pretty harsh assessment. i'm sure he was pretty cool otherwise.

Feynman talks about Bohr quite a bit in his books. Bohr's real name is Nick something, and he changed it for some reason I can't recall. Apparently, he had a very strong accent and was hard to understand (unlike his son). Bohr was nearly a god in his time, though.




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samoth said:
His model of the atom sucked. He's the reason people think electrons are tiny little balls spinning in an orbit around a nucleus.

That and the whole conservation of energy thing are terrible lies they need to stop teaching in high school.



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Him and Mr. Tompkins in Paperback

I'd vote Feynman but I'm concerned that it might be premature.
 
"Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman! is an edited collection of reminiscences by Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist. It expounds upon his human side with a number of personal and mostly humorous anecdotes, detailing everything from his forays into hypnotism to his fascination with safe-cracking and his fondness for topless bars, ..."

Physicist at strip clubs = priceless





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samoth said:
I'm sick of reading about karma-whoring people complaining that their virtual green dots might not procreate as fast as before.

So in that vain, this is a karma award thread. Feel free to post anything personal-chat related, science related, or just say "hi". I will award these points to whoever I think makes the biggest contribution to this board [in general, not in this thread]. If it is a tossup, I will award the multiple parties equally.




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"What I cannot create, I do not understand" — Richard P. Feynman

Feynman was one of the recipients of the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1965.
 
mr. snakes said:
"What I cannot create, I do not understand" — Richard P. Feynman

Feynman was one of the recipients of the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1965.
I hold to a variation of that: if I can't explain something from basic principles than I don't understand it.

I find that there seems to be ever less that I do understand.
 
blut wump said:
If you happen to stumble across the link and remember to post it up, I'd be grateful.

Ooh, I was busy with the RBS... bombing Lestat and stuff. Lemme go downstairs and get it.



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Full e-text to "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!" by Richard P. Feynman

http://www.gorgorat.com/



Also, Feynman videos:

http://heelspurs.com/feynman.html

http://www.heyfeynman.com/index.php?cPath=23



And here's t'Hooft's nifty cover-all page:

http://www.phys.uu.nl/~thooft/theorist.html

covering:

Languages
Primary Mathematics
Classical Mechanics
Optics
Statistical Mechanics and Thermodynamics
Electronics
Electromagnetism
Quantum Mechanics
Atoms and Molecules
Solid State Physics
Nuclear Physics
Plasma Physics
Advanced Mathematics
Special Relativity
Advanced Quantum Mechanics
Phenomenology
General Relativity
Quantum Field Theory
Superstring Theory
More resources



HTH



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as for the poll....The two are very hard to compare. Feynman and Einstien seem to be on the same level in my mind with one exception. Feynman had the ability to take a very hard subject and break it down so that anyone could understand.

I really enjoy listening to Feynmans audio lectures.
 
bigboi1 said:
as for the poll....The two are very hard to compare. Feynman and Einstien seem to be on the same level in my mind with one exception. Feynman had the ability to take a very hard subject and break it down so that anyone could understand.

I really enjoy listening to Feynmans audio lectures.

His Los Alamos From Below lecture at Cal-Tech was re-released on remastered CD with his new book! It sounds so much better than the old audio cassette tapes!



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samoth said:
His model of the atom sucked. He's the reason people think electrons are tiny little balls spinning in an orbit around a nucleus.

That and the whole conservation of energy thing are terrible lies they need to stop teaching in high school.



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I'll second this opinion as well... :)
 
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samoth said:
I'm sick of reading about karma-whoring people complaining that their virtual green dots might not procreate as fast as before.

So in that vain, this is a karma award thread. Feel free to post anything personal-chat related, science related, or just say "hi". I will award these points to whoever I think makes the biggest contribution to this board [in general, not in this thread]. If it is a tossup, I will award the multiple parties equally.




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you are. ;)
 
I had to vote for Feynman, but to be honest, I voted for him because he was quite the character. I'm really not sure who was the bigger contributor to science. I have a degree in Chemistry, but that was many moons ago, and I think that they brainwashed me in law school to forget any memory of the sciences...lol.
 
samoth said:
Full e-text to "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!" by Richard P. Feynman

http://www.gorgorat.com/



Also, Feynman videos:

http://heelspurs.com/feynman.html

http://www.heyfeynman.com/index.php?cPath=23



And here's t'Hooft's nifty cover-all page:

http://www.phys.uu.nl/~thooft/theorist.html

covering:

Languages
Primary Mathematics
Classical Mechanics
Optics
Statistical Mechanics and Thermodynamics
Electronics
Electromagnetism
Quantum Mechanics
Atoms and Molecules
Solid State Physics
Nuclear Physics
Plasma Physics
Advanced Mathematics
Special Relativity
Advanced Quantum Mechanics
Phenomenology
General Relativity
Quantum Field Theory
Superstring Theory
More resources



HTH



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This could be the best post on the Internet.
 
Science was my only favorite subject in school (high school) that is. Still to this day I would rather take science courses than any other.
I loved oceanography,astronomy, and the likes. My little boy is the same way, and I love it.
 
The Nature and Philosophy of Science




Introduction
Scientists are unbiased observers who use the scientific method to conclusively confirm and conclusively falsify various theories. These experts have no preconceptions in gathering the data and logically derive theories from these objective observations. One great strength of science is that it’s self-correcting, because scientists readily abandon theories when they are shown to be irrational. Although such eminent views of science have been accepted by many people, they are almost completely untrue. Data can neither conclusively confirm nor conclusively falsify theories, there really is no such thing as the scientific method, data become somewhat subjective in practice, and scientists have displayed a surprisingly fierce loyalty to their theories. There have been many misconceptions of what science is and is not. I’ll discuss why these misconstruals are inaccurate later, but first I’d like to begin by talking about some of the basics of what science is.

Science is a project whose goal is to obtain knowledge of the natural world. The philosophy of science is a discipline that deals with the system of science itself. It examines science’s structure, components, techniques, assumptions, limitations, and so forth.

The Basic Structure of Science
To properly understand the contemporary philosophy of science, it is necessary to examine some basic components of science. The components of science are data, theories, and what is sometimes called shaping principles.[1]

Data are the collections of information about physical processes.[2] Sometimes collecting and finding data to support theories can be rather laborious. This is because the specific details of data that come into play can make science such a tricky business that some scientists, when talking to laymen, sometime leave them out. Also, it is easy to fit a theory in with the data if the data are vague and overgeneralized. It usually becomes more difficult to fit the theory with specific data, especially since the details make it more likely for the theory to become less plausible. Even so, data are important parts of theories and of science.[3]

Theories come in roughly two forms. Contrary to what some might think, a theory in the scientific sense does not have anything to do with whether or not it is supported by the evidence, contradicted by the evidence, well liked among scientists, and so forth.[4] It only has to do with its structure and the way it functions. That is, just because a theory is a scientific theory does not mean that the scientific community currently accepts it. There are many theories that, though technically scientific, have been rejected because the scientific evidence is strongly against it. Phenomenological theories are empirical generalizations of data. They merely describe the recurring processes of nature and do not refer to their causes or mechanisms. Phenomenological theories are also called scientific laws, physical laws, and natural laws. Newton’s third law is one example. It says that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Explanatory theories attempt to explain the observations rather than generalize them. Whereas laws are descriptions of empirical regularities, explanatory theories are conceptual constructions to explain why the data exist. For example, atomic theory explains why we see certain observations. The same could be said with DNA and relativity. Explanatory theories are particularly helpful in such cases where the entities (like atoms, DNA, and so forth) cannot be directly observed.

Shaping principles are non-empirical factors and assumptions that form the basis of science and go into selecting a “good” theory. Why are they necessary? Can’t theories be selected solely on the basis of empirical data? Surprisingly, the answer is no. Why not? Describing some mistaken views of science come in handy for explaining the answer.

Mistaken Beliefs of the Scientific Method
Many students (including me) were brought up with a somewhat eminent view of science, or at least a fairly eminent view of science as it should be done. As I have found however, the status of science which most of us were taught may have been a bit misleading. Some ideas of what “the scientific method” is have also been erroneous. This is perhaps because scientists themselves tend to be ignorant of the philosophy of science.[5] Changes have been made in history about what science is and how it should be done.

In the early years of science, the system of acquiring knowledge was viewed as completely objective, rational, and empirical.[6] This traditional view of science held that scientific theories and laws were to be conclusively confirmed or conclusively falsified based on objective data. This was supposed to be done through “the scientific method.” Apparently some sort of method was necessary because humans seemed to have a variety of tendencies and feelings that were not very trustworthy, including biases, feelings, intuitions, and so forth. These kinds of things had to be prevented from infecting science so that knowledge could be reliably obtained.[7] Rigorous and precise procedure (“the scientific method”) was to be followed so that such imperfections of humanity would not hinder the process of discovering nature.

Baconian inductivism in the early seventeenth century was at one point considered to be the scientific method. The basic idea at the time was this: collect numerous observations (as much as humanly possible) being unaffected by any prior prejudice or theoretical preconceptions while gathering the data, inductively infer theories from those data (by generalizing the data into physical laws), and collect more data to modify or reject the hypothesis if needed.[8] In many instances, this concept seemed to work. One can collect numerous observations of physical processes and experiments to derive natural laws, such the conservation of mass-energy. Alas, Baconian inductivism is an inaccurate picture of scientific method. When using inductivism to arrive at natural laws, certain theoretical preconceptions are absolutely vital. To generalize the data into physical laws, the individual must assume that the laws apply for physical processes not observed. This results in several assumptions being held, such as the uniform operation of nature. Even if we put aside the fact that inductive logic is invariably based on such postulations, there is another problem. Science deals with concepts and explanatory theories that cannot be directly observed, including atomic theory and the theory of gravity. Many other theories include unobservable concepts like forces, fields, and subatomic particles. There is no known rigorous inductive logic that can infer those theories and concepts solely from the data they explain. If inductivism is the correct scientific method, then such theories cannot be legitimate science. As if these difficulties weren’t enough, inductivism has other major technical problems that have led to its demise.[9]

Sir Isaac Newton developed hypothetico-deductivism in the late 1600s (though the method was actually named at a later date).[10] Essentially, one starts with a hypothesis (a hypothesis is basically a provisional theory) and then deduces what we would expect to find in the empirical world as a result of that hypothesis, hence the name hypothetico-deductivism. Here the idea was to quarantine human irrationality.[11] One could make a theory for any or no reason. The sources of theories would be irrelevant in hypothetico-deductivism since the theories could be tested against the empirical world and be confirmed or refuted that way. A theory did not become a good theory by its origins, but because of the hypothetico-deductive method of verification.[12] Inductivism, recall, could not work because empirical data cannot be the sole source of a theory. Some scientists and philosophers of science who rejected inductivism embraced hypothetico-deductivism. A significant reason is that it allowed ideas like atomic theory to be legitimate science whereas they would not be in inductivism.

Unfortunately, hypothetico-deductivism also has problems. The philosophy that rigorous proof is necessary for good science has serious problems even if we assume that sense experience, memory, and testimony are all generally reliable.[13] For one thing, we cannot be sure that we have examined all the germane data.[14] There is always the opportunity for future observations to topple even the most established of theories.[15] For example, there is always the possibility that an observation could conflict with any known scientific law. This is what caused Newtonian mechanics to be cut down to size. Rather than being a total account for the nature and dynamics of the universe, Einstein, Heisenberg, and other physicists demonstrated that the realm of Newtonian mechanics is much more restricted than what was once thought. Unrevealed data can also contradict the predictions of any explanatory theory as well. Every theory has an infinite number of expected empirical outcomes, and we are incapable of testing all of those expectations. So even though a theory can be confirmed to some extent by empirical data, it can never be conclusively confirmed. Apart from this, hypothetico-deductivism’s method of verification has this sort of structure where T is a theory and D a set of data that we would expect if the theory were true:

If T then D.
D.
Therefore, T.
This is not a logically valid argument. Indeed, an argument of this sort of structure is called the fallacy of affirming the conclusion.[16] Have T = “An invisible unicorn from Mars flew into the sky to cause rain,” and D = “It is raining.” Logically, the first premise must be correct (If T is true, then D would be true). Suppose the second premise is correct. It is raining. Even so, the conclusion doesn’t logically follow. Why doesn’t it work? Because there could be other possibilities for D other than T. That is, more than one theory could exist to explain the data. And this is indeed the case. In this example, it could simply be natural weather patterns, not a flying invisible unicorn from Mars, that caused the rain. In science or anywhere else, any given body of data (no matter how large) will always be agreeable with an unlimited number of alternative theories. Invariably there are many theories that explain the exact same data, and at least some of the theories will contradict each other. This fact is sometimes expressed as data underdetermining theories, or is simply referred to as the underdetermination of theories.[16] Because such competing theories are consistent with the same set of data, all of these theories are empirically identical. This means that empirical data by itself cannot exclusively confirm one theory from among its empirically indistinguishable competitors. Some of these empirically indistinguishable theories may be elegantly simple and others may be outrageously complex, but multiple alternatives exist for any set of data. There are examples of this problem in the real world. In one such instance, Tyco Brahe and Copernicus each had a competing theory of the solar system. It can be shown mathematically that every bit of data that is predicted by one theory would be predicted by the other theory.[17] We may not always be able to think of alternative theories, but this only has to do with problems of human imagination in constructing such theories, not the logic of the circumstances. Of course, the underdetermination of theories also poses yet another problem for Baconian inductivism. (Explanatory theories cannot be inferred from data alone if there are always numerous alternatives that explain that same set of data.) As a result of the underdetermination of theories and the risk of undiscovered, contradictory empirical evidence, a scientific theory cannot be conclusively proven merely through the data. Even if we take out the notion of conclusive proof from hypothetico-deductivism, it seems that this idea of the scientific method dreadfully oversimplifies how science works. No rational scientist would accept the flying invisible unicorn from mars theory simply because it passed the empirical confirmation test in the above example, for instance.

Popperian falsification is another belief of what the scientific method is. Karl Popper, regarded by many as one of the finest[18] and most influential[19] philosophers of science of the twentieth century, realized the flaws of inductivism and rejected it. Popper recognized that one could not record everything observed, because that is simply not feasible. Some sort of selection is needed, and thus observation is always selective.[20] That being true, Popper believed that a hypothesis had to be created first for scientific investigation to begin. Otherwise there would be no other way to tell which data are germane.[21] Since theories must be created first in order to decide what observations were relevant, such theoretical preconceptions would be essential to doing science (contrary to Baconian inductivism).[22] This was one of the reasons he believed inductivism is unworkable. He also denied the concept of conclusive proof and instead stressed the idea that falsifiability is the necessary criterion for a theory to be legitimate science.[23] In other words, if a theory cannot be falsified through some conceivable observation, then such a theory is not genuine science. The necessity for a scientific theory to be conclusively falsifiable is known as the demarcation criterion.[24] This idea seemed reasonable enough, since scientific theories can make predictions. Popperian falsification suggested that if a prediction does not come true, then the scientific theory must be false. Popper’s idea of the scientific method was for scientists to test scientific theories in experiments where the outcome could potentially falsify the theory, especially in experiments where the theory would most likely collapse.[25] Science still had some of its traditional quality in that it could make definite progress by conclusively eliminating theories.

Yet, like inductivism, Popper’s ideas are not entirely successful either. (Consequently, some regard Popper’s contribution to the philosophy of science to be overrated.)[26] Popper was certainly correct that data are selective, but they need not have a theory to guide the selection (though that is often the case). For instance, one can record data and apply assumptions to the data to form a theory, as is sometimes the case with scientific laws. (Note that since assumptions need to be accepted for the theory to be created, this would not be an example of inductivism without assumptions in action.) The demarcation criterion is even more flawed. Surprisingly, the problem is that it is impossible to conclusively falsify theories by empirical data. One reason is that theories by themselves are incapable of making predictions. Instead, the empirical consequences of a theory invariably rest on background assumptions (also called auxiliary assumptions[27]) from which to derive predictions and even to obtain data.[28]

Suppose we have a particle theory that says if we process a certain particle in a particular way, we will get specified values on various measurements.
All theories (the particular electrical, atomic, particle, etc. models that are used) involved in deriving the prediction are correct;
The specific version of those theories and models (from #1) from which the predictions are derived from are correct (for example, belief in atoms have been widely accepted for quite some time now, but the precise details and models of the exact composition, components etc. have significantly varied.);
The prediction derived from those theories and specific versions of those models is mathematically or logically correct; and
Some other things we’ll skip.
Note that most of the items depend on scientific theories. But scientific theories, remember, cannot be conclusively proven. The dependence on background assumptions to make predictions is sometimes called the Duhem-Quine problem.[29] There are real life examples of this problem. To “disprove” the idea that the earth was moving, some people noted that birds did not get thrown off into the sky whenever they let go of a tree branch. That data is no longer accepted as empirical evidence that the earth is not moving because we have adopted a different background system of physics that allows us to make different predictions. So if a theory’s prediction does not come true, one can claim that the theory is correct and that at least one of the auxiliary assumptions is wrong.

Besides using auxiliary assumptions to make predictions, such assumptions are necessary to find out if the predictions come true. Suppose that in order to test our particle theory in the real world we must use a certain particle accelerator in a particular way. To experimentally test this, we must adhere to the following statements:

All of the theories and models (particle, electronic, engineering) used in what we believe happens inside this accelerator are correct (including the specifics);
All theories (electronics and so forth) on how the detector works are correct (including the specifics of the models involved);
Both the detection devices and the accelerator are operating are designed;
Both of the above devices are being used properly (including the assumption that the readings are recorded correctly); and
Some other things we’ll skip again.
Notice that several of the items are again dependent on scientific theories, which cannot be rigorously proven. Suppose the prediction does not come true and we observe that, “this particle did not have the specified properties that it should’ve had.” That observation would be heavily dependent on theories. Although it is possible that our theory could be wrong, it is also possible that instead one or more of the assumptions listed are wrong. Often, the terminology used to describe experimental results in addition to the measurements and instruments used in testing theories make up another set of background assumptions. The dependence on such postulations for obtaining data is described as observations being theory-laden.[30] In this example, we have to assume these kinds of assumptions (including #1, #2, #3, and #4 on the list above) to accept the observation of what properties the particle produced. A completely theoretically neutral language for recording data is not always possible.[31] Suppose Bob’s prediction comes true. There is still the possibility of the background assumptions being wrong. Consequently, theories can neither be conclusively proven nor conclusively falsified by empirical data.

Also, it is possible to salvage a troubled theory or make arguments against a well-supported theory. This can be done because one can alter auxiliary assumptions to produce different predictions or change the meaning of theory-laden observations. For example, suppose I proposed the theory that the moon is made of cheese. To refute this theory, many people would point out that astronauts have gone up there and found out that it is more like a rock than a huge piece of cheese. I could counter that argument by saying something like, “the moon with its great age would naturally accumulate massive quantities of rocks and other particles from space. Under that layer of space debris, however, is the cheese.” This type of argument that explains away such evidence is called an ad hoc hypothesis[32], especially if the theory-saving device lacks further significant evidence to support itself. Of course, it is possible to rationally discard this absurd theory, but the point is one cannot do this merely by pointing to the data. When the right ad hoc hypotheses are made, the theory of the moon being made of cheese becomes empirically identical to the moon being rock-like. This sort of thing is not limited to ridiculous theories about the moon’s composition. It’s possible to modify virtually any theory so that it’s consistent with whatever data that might come up.

Despite the fact that Karl Popper was not completely successful, he did make some useful contributions. He pointed out that data are selective and subject to human choice (and thus demonstrated that data are not quite as objective as once thought). He also showed the flaws of inductivism and why a theory cannot originate exclusively from empirical data.

So it does seem that, if the only way to evaluate theories is in terms of empirical predictions, science is in trouble. In testing theories, scientists use auxiliary assumptions for which they have rational reason for being true, even though the assumptions and theories are not conclusively proven. Yet, given the underdetermination of theories, we can’t just pick a theory and justify it solely by the data. We can’t even justify a particular theory as probable by the empirical evidence since there are an infinite number of other theories that can explain the exact same set of data. How can science function?

Shaping Principles
It is evident that theories and data by themselves are insufficient for science to work, and thus other factors are needed for science to operate. This group of factors in the nature of science is that of shaping principles, which can be used to select theories and form the foundations of science. Many assumptions are made in science. One example is the uniformity of nature. That is, the belief that natural processes operate in a fairly consistent manner. This shaping principle is the basis for the idea of natural laws. For example, Newton’s laws are said to apply throughout the universe.[33] This is believed even though scientists have not actually tested the laws everywhere in the universe. Natural laws could not exist in science without assuming the uniformity of nature. Other assumptions made for science to operate include that there exists an external objective reality, that our senses are generally reliable, and so forth.

Another set of shaping principles evaluates the empirical evidence to select theories. Because of the underdetermination of theories, there is always an infinite number of competing theories that can accommodate any given set of empirical data. Since these competing theories are empirically indistinguishable from each other, if science is to pick out a theory from among these numerous competitors and claim that it is correct, then such a selection must be based on nonempirical principles (whether they be philosophical, personal, societal, or whatever). The law of parsimony is one of them. This principle of logic states that, if all other aspects are equal, the simplest theory is preferred over other theories involving additional factors. This is also called Ockham’s razor (sometimes spelled as Occam's razor). The law of parsimony is often used because a theory conforming to this principle fits the data more easily. This principle especially applies to theories with ad hoc hypotheses. The lower the number of ad hoc hypotheses a scientific theory has, the better. Other principles include (but are not limited to) empirical adequacy (covering the pertinent data in some suitable way), self-consistency, fruitfulness (giving rise to other understandings and having stimulated pioneering investigations and advancements), and explanatory power.[34] Another key principle is how well a theory ties in with other scientific theories and concepts that are rational to believe. It is only when these kinds of shaping principles interact with data can science then provide rational support for a theory over its competitors.

However, there are a few exceptions to the idea that there is no conclusive proof in science. Logic is the closest we can get to rigorous proof and falsification. For example, suppose our friend Bob has this theory: hairless men have no hair. By the rules of logic, Bob’s theory must be true. Of course, Bob’s theory is a tautology (needless repetition of an idea, in this case it’s the repeated concept of hairless men), and tautologies are typically not very helpful. Nevertheless, there are some instances where logic can give conclusive proof that has more utility. Because of the logical precept ex nihilo nihil fit (Latin for “from nothing, nothing is produced”), it is impossible for nothingness to cause something. Thus, anything that comes into being must have a cause for its existence. This fact is very useful because it supports a fundamental law of science called the law of cause-and-effect (the theory that no effect can be produced without something to cause it). Sadly, not very many helpful theories can be thoroughly proved by logic. Similarly, logic disproving a scientific theory is almost never used because seldom does a scientist propose a theory that is logically impossible. Most of the time science relies on other shaping principles to pick theories.

It becomes easier to understand these principles when they are put into action. In the “moon is made of cheese” example, we can reject it because of the law of parsimony. It uses an ad hoc hypothesis, whereas the theory of the moon being like a rock does not. Often times, of course, more than one shaping principle becomes applicable. For example, suppose Bob’s computer is malfunctioning. One theory he has is that an invisible gremlin has caused such problems, and another is that a computer virus has invaded his machine through his modem, computer programming, and some fairly complex electronic systems in his computer as well as on the Internet. The gremlin theory is simpler, and thus it would seem to appeal to the law of parsimony. Yet the gremlin theory hardly seems empirically adequate in this case. This is because other considerations need to be taken into account. Another fact to consider here is that the computer virus theory ties in with electronic concepts that are supported by evidence, whereas the gremlin theory does not. Because so many shaping principles are used and because they can often conflict with each other, we should be careful about justifying how much the evidence supports a theory. [35]

Unfortunately, there are still limitations involved in scientific practice and shaping principles do not solve the entire problem, even in the basic foundational beliefs of science. Take the uniformity of nature, for example. We believe nature is consistent enough so that the experimental data (such as from testing physical laws) obtained from two years ago on Earth will essentially be the same if the experiments were to be conducted in identical conditions on Mars next week. But there really is no logical principle to tell us that physical laws will hold true in places where we haven’t tested them (even if that place is the future).[36] A similar sort of problem arises when we choose between empirically identical theories. When using shaping principles to select a theory, we must have some philosophical basis for believing that nature’s preferences are similar to ours. And for many of these principles there is no logical rule to imply their reliability. For example, in picking out a theory from among it’s empirically indistinguishable competitors (and when all other factors are held constant), the notion that reality favors simple theories over complex ones is nevertheless a philosophical principle. Although these indicators of theoretical truth are necessary for science to work, they are significantly indirect, circumstantial, highly fallible, and are still unable to prove/disprove theories.[37] While science may be the best we can do, the limitations should still be recognized.

On top of that, there is no known clear-cut method that tells us to what degree the evidence confirms a scientific theory, despite attempts at finding one.[38] This becomes problematic when scientists must decide on what theory to accept as the most rational one. Scientists intuitively feel how rational scientific theories are, rather than having a precise logical method for such judgments. These intuitive feelings result from shaping principles. The interactions of shaping principles in the minds of scientists are so complex and so numerous that we may never come up with a rigorously logical system to select theories. Most of the shaping principles are frequently unspoken and sometimes scientists themselves do not know they are using them. Although some shaping principles are based on logic, others are not always so sensible and objective. Scientists (and regular human beings) are also affected by cultural, social, and personal beliefs.[39] Indeed, such factors have been significant influences in scientific revolutions.[40] This is because many activities in science, such constructing theories, involve numerous aspects of oneself. In the case of making theories, the theories themselves are creative inventions that come from the minds of scientists. Science is a human activity, and what affects scientists will have an effect on science.[41] One may think that having such unscientific factors affect theory judgments is bad for science. That may very well be true, but unfortunately there is no known way to separate the helpful principles (explanatory power etc.) from the unfavorable ones (personal biases etc.) in the subconscious minds of scientists that make these theory judgments. Because every human being has their own unique set of shaping principles, different scientists (and regular human beings) can look at the exact same set of data and disagree about which theory most rationally explains the observations. Rather than the traditional view that science is to be protected from biases and other imperfections of people, it turns out that science is inescapably infected with humanness.

Tapestry
It would seem that there is a delicate tapestry in interpreting the data. It is uncommon for a theory to be tested in isolation because of the Duhem-Quine problem. Because we often rely on background assumptions to derive predictions for a theory, and because those background theories depend on other auxiliary theories and principles for their empirical expectations etc., it would seem to follow that the collection of theories combined with their shaping and background principles thus make up an explanatory matrix, or conceptual grid, in which to fit the data.[42] Modifications to the explanatory matrix can be made in attempts to get a better fit, but because of the interwoven nature of the tapestry, often times one cannot supplant aspects of the grid without changing things in some way elsewhere. So it’s possible that the need would arise for an entire conceptual system to be replaced. Additionally, the nature of science can make it difficult, if not impossible, to empirically test an individual theory completely independent of this matrix. However, it is also quite possible for nature to teach us some things in carrying out our investigation. That is, the interaction between the explanatory matrix and the data can be a sort of two-way process. As we uncover more data, we can learn better ways to shape the grid and how to go about it.[43]

Limitations of Science as a Result of Scientists
Some have pictured the scientist as a completely objective individual who is free of bias and preconceptions, and who is willing to quickly abandon even the most well accepted theory if it were shown to be scientifically inadequate. This belief is not close to the truth.[44] The reality is that scientists are humans, and humans are fallible beings. They have weaknesses just like the rest of us. For one thing, a bias towards favored theories is actually built into all scientific research.[45] (Recall the necessity of background assumptions to make predictions and test theories.)

A related imperfection, and to many a startling one, is a shaping principle called tenacity (also referred to as belief-perseverance by psychologists).[46] Scientists throughout history have shown a surprisingly severe loyalty to their theories, even with theories that are in trouble with the evidence. Furthermore, this sort of tenacity persists in scientists for rather long periods of time.[47] Why is this the case? The reasons become clear when one considers what scientists do in their field of work. When people put enormous amounts of effort into something over great lengths of time, as scientists often do with their theories, they have a tendency to become attached to it. Scientists in such cases have an inclination to want the theory to be true and it becomes psychologically more difficult for them to reject it as false, even if they are presented with strong evidence against the theory. The satisfaction of destroying a theory one has arduously worked for can be small compared to watching the theory become successful. Furthermore, the reluctance to give up long-held beliefs is part of human nature, and scientists are not immune to it.[48] Not many of us would renounce the idea that two plus two equals four even if we were presented with a mathematical proof disproving that idea.[49] Consequently, a scientist whose career and livelihood are invested in a scientific theory will probably not give it up effortlessly. Needless to say, not everyone has been aware of this, including scientists.[50] How is it then that new theories emerge in science? Nobel prize winning physicist Max Planck has said, “A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.”[51]

However, tenacity is not necessarily a bad thing.[52] Ironically, belief-perseverance is one of the reasons science has advanced as far as it has. This is because scientific theories are not perfect, and the only way to make real progress with a theory is to be committed to it.[53] Virtually every scientific theory has some sort of problems with the scientific evidence; which are sometimes explained away by ad hoc hypotheses, at times there is some waiting for the problems to be eventually solved, sometimes the problems are unnoticed, at times they are simply ignored, and from time to time a theory is kept because there is no better alternative. If science abandoned every theory that had contradictory evidence, science would barely have any theories at all. Furthermore, if a theory’s problems are eventually solved, then we have tenacity to thank for preventing the premature abandonment of the theory. Besides that, consider this hypothetical case. Suppose a scientist who possesses no tenacity writes a paper for a scientific journal and points out all the ways a concept or experiment might be flawed. Such a paper is likely to be rejected. Part of the responsibility of a scientist is to provide the most favorable case for his theories and leaving the criticism of the theories to other scientists.[54] Belief-perseverance helps accomplish this and thus can work well when science deals with theories that only a few scientific workers really care about. When significant tenacity to an accepted theory is only limited to a single scientist or a small group of scientists, the theory can easily be weeded out. So some amount of tecnacity is reasonable, and is part of what makes science function. Nevertheless, tenacity can become a major problem when the majority of scientists fervently accept a scientific theory that does not have enough rational support. Naturally, there is an extent where the amount of tenacity becomes excessive and it’s time to abandon the theory in favor of a different theory that has more evidence behind it. Unfortunately, there is no clear-cut agreeable procedure to decide when such scientific concepts should be discarded. Feelings and other shaping principles play a part in deciding when that time should come, and scientists can sometimes disagree reasonably on that issue.

Another imperfection is that of observation. Because scientists are human, we cannot obtain completely objective observations even if there could be total theoretical neutrality. One time it was believed (because of direct observation) by Thomas Huxley that he discovered a being halfway between a living organism and a dead one. Many other scientists made observations that came to support that view. Later, however, it was discovered to be purely mineral.[55] Over a hundred independent observations corroborated Rene Blondlot’s concept of N-rays, but later it was discovered that there were no such things as N-rays.[56] These are, of course, extreme cases, but it does demonstrate that data are not totally uncontaminated by humans. In practice, data are somewhat subjective. This is because shaping principles influence the data we perceive, and also because of the tendency for the mind to unconsciously fill in patterns based on these notions. Such human contamination is called internal theoretical orientation of data.[57] As a result, totally objective data cannot be obtained.

Besides honest confusion of data, there is also deliberate distortion. Often times the scientist who commits the fraud thinks he knows the answer.[58] Some people may have justified faking the data by thinking they were just speeding up the process. Some examples include that of Cyril Burt; a psychologist who forged data on identical twins to support the idea that intelligence was inherited.[59] It is possible this was done because finding thirty-three identical twins who were separated at birth would be a bit tricky. A more famous case would be that of Piltdown man, an alleged missing link in human evolution. This is also an example of internal theoretical orientation of data, because the fraud was an obvious one[60] and yet persisted for over forty years. Of course, these things do not happen all the time, but it should be noted that scientists are not perfectly moral beings either, and sometimes this can have a debilitating effect on science.

Religion, Philosophy and Science
The notion that religion and science have constantly been at war is not without foundation. It is true that there have been some religious people who have disagreed with the scientific community (e.g. Biblical creationists). It is also true that many religious people once held views contrary to what is now accepted (such as the Catholic Church accepting geocentricism). However, these sorts of events should not be overgeneralized. While many attempts have been made to show that religion is unhealthy for science (particularly in the 19th century), contemporary historians see that work as more propaganda than legitimate history.[61]

Even so, some believe that religion and science are utterly incompatible.[62] Actually, that view is relatively recent. It dates back not to Galileo, but to the liberal theologians of the Enlightenment.[63] (Incidentally, Galileo was not actually branded a heretic, the sentence he received was for disobeying orders.)[64] Not every educated person believes that science is against religion.[65] There are a growing number of people who believe otherwise, and that have rational support for the idea that theology and science cannot be totally separated.[66] Many scientists (including Newton, Faraday, and even Galileo) have been deeply religious.[67] To add to that, some scientists have actually implanted their religion into their scientific work, including Newton, Boyle, Maxwell, Pasteur, and others.[68] Clearly, religion and science are not always bitter enemies.

Also, the evidence suggests that religion (and more specifically the theistic philosophy that stemmed from the Christian worldview) was a significant factor in the birth of modern science, at least partly because it provided some unique philosophical principles that science requires.[69] Why, for instance, would a rational investigation of nature be successful? Because a rationally orderly God created the universe. (Nature consistently operating in mathematical patterns would especially be confirmative for this belief.) According to the Christian religion of that time and area, the universe is orderly, this orderly world can be known, and there is a motive to discover this order.[70] Indeed, many of the founders of modern science were Christians trying to demonstrate that humanity lived in an orderly universe.[71] Why should the investigation of nature be empirical? Because God could have created an orderly universe in more than one way.[72] This sort of mindset is rather different from classical atheism (which was even accepted in the 16th century), which holds to the metaphysical view of a universe dominated by chance events. This philosophy hardly implied an orderly universe.[73]

Conclusion
So what exactly is the scientific method? Although scientists certainly do something in their field of work, there really is no such thing as the scientific method.[74] This is true for a number of reasons. First, the majority opinion in the scientific community is often wrong.[75] Someone not going along with what the majority does can produce something scientifically useful, and this has been done many times. Second, science has many specialized fields, and scientists in those fields require certain craft skills unique in that field to conduct experiments.[76] Such experiments do not involve precise rules that give detailed instructions on what to do at each step.[77] What may appear to be misconduct to an outsider may actually be quite valid scientific practice in that field.[78] Furthermore, rapid progress in science will be more likely if scientists do not follow a single standardized method. [79] Individual scientists have numerous ways of making theories and evaluating them, which explains why there can be disagreements among scientists. The different shaping principles that interact with data can produce different results with each scientific worker, including on how scientists should approach things. Sometimes these disconformities help to produce useful scientific revolutions. At times revolutions in science happen in large part because these kinds of shaping principles that are accepted by the majority change over time. Great changes in shaping principles create another reason why there has never been a single scientific method used by all scientists.[80] Although there are some general objectives to achieve in science (e.g. finding scientific theories that are rationally supported), there are a number of ways to go about this, and not every scientist shares the same method.

It does seem that science contains various imperfections and some serious limitations on certainty. Many have pointed out the existence of technology as a sign that we are on the right track. But just because technology works doesn’t necessarily mean that our theories of why it works are correct.[81] Often, the reliability of technology depends more upon empirical regularities, rather than explanatory concepts. For example, candles and light bulbs have worked and will continue to work even though our theories of why they work have changed over time (light as particles, waves, or some combination of the two; the rejection of the phlogiston theory of heat, etc.). The underdetermination of theories applies to explaining the effectiveness of technology just like any other data. Some have believed that science has been successful in acquiring knowledge, yet there really is no way of verifying this. Data are incapable of conclusively proving theories, and we can’t exactly read an omniscient “book of truth” to see how often our theories have been correct. Historically speaking, almost every theory in science eventually becomes discarded as wrong.[82] Consequently, there have been so many false starts in science that it would be rather incredible if we were the ones who are finally on the right track.[83] It would be especially amazing considering that the theories that we’ve already discarded have not even been conclusively falsified by the data. Even so, this is not to say science isn’t worth having around. On the contrary, science provides significant benefits for humanity. For one thing, science has helped us to alleviate the struggle to survive.[84] Whether or not we are on the right track, it seems clear that science is conducive for useful technology. Various aspects of science can be used for the needs of people, understanding ourselves and even our place in the universe.[85] Although there is a very real possibility of being wrong, we can increase our chances of being right through further accumulation of data. Despite all its imperfections and limitations, science may very well be the best tool we have for discovering nature.

[1] Ratzsch, Del The Battle of Beginnings: Why Neither Side is Winning the Creation- Evolution Debate talks about such non-empirical factors on non-empirical factors on pp.124-127.
[2] Tyson, Neil D. “The structure of science.”
[3] “science, philosophy of.”
[4] Ratzsch, Del The Battle of Beginnings: Why Neither Side is Winning the Creation- Evolution Debate. p. 121.
[5] Schick, Theodore “The end of science?”
[6] Ratzsch, Del The Battle of Beginnings: Why Neither Side is Winning the Creation- Evolution Debate. p. 105.; Ratzsch, Del The Philosophy of Science pp.14-20—see this source for further discussion.
[7] Ratzsch, Del The Battle of Beginnings: Why Neither Side is Winning the Creation- Evolution Debate. p. 104.
[8] Goodstein “Conduct, Misconduct, and the Structure of Science.”

[9] Ratzsch, Del The Battle of Beginnings: Why Neither Side is Winning the Creation- Evolution Debate. p. 111
[10] Ratzsch, Del The Philosophy of Science chapter 2
[11] “hypothetico-deductive method.”
[12] Ratzsch, Del The Battle of Beginnings: Why Neither Side is Winning the Creation- Evolution Debate p. 110
[13] Ibid. p. 108; “hypothetico-deductive method.”
[14] I briefly talk about why we don't have any hard proof that memory, testimony, and sense experience of being reliable at http://www.angelfire.com/mn2/tisthammerw/rlgnphil/skepticism.html.
[15] Schick, Theodore “The end of science?”
[16] Ibid.; Rosen, Kenneth H. Discrete Mathematics and its applications p. 172
[16] Ibid.; Glasner, David “Karl Popper, critical rationalist. (modern philosopher).”
[17] Wolpert, Lewis “Science: The art of the insoluble?”
[18] “Karl Popper.”
[19] Glasner, David “Karl Popper, critical rationalist.(modern philosopher)”
[20] Popper, Karl Conjectures and Refutations: The Growth of Scientific Knowledge p. 46
[21] Schick, Theodore “The end of science?”
[22] Woodward, James and David Goodstein “Conduct, Misconduct, and the Structure of Science.”
[23] Ibid.; Glasner, David “Karl Popper, critical rationalist.(modern philosopher)”
[24] Schick, Theodore “The end of science?”
[25] Woodward, James and David Goodstein “Conduct, Misconduct, and the Structure of Science.”
[26] Wolpert, Lewis “Science, the art of the insoluble?”; Wolpert, Lewis “Hypotheses”
[27] Woodward, James and David Goodstein “Conduct, Misconduct, and the Structure of Science.”
[28] Schick, Theodore “The end of science?”
[29] Woodward, James and David Goodstein “Conduct, Misconduct, and the Structure of Science.”
[30] Woodward, James and David Goodstein “Conduct, Misconduct, and the Structure of Science.”
[31] Ibid.
[32] Carroll, Robert Todd “Skeptic’s Dictionary: ad hoc hypothesis.”
[33] Trinklein, Frederick E. “Modern Physics.” p. 56
[34] Ratzsch, Del The Battle of Beginnings: Why Neither Side is Winning the Creation- Evolution Debate. pp. 131,132
[35] Carroll, Robert Todd “Skeptic’s Dictionary: Occam’s razor.”
— Regarding an apparently irrational theory conforming to simplicity, he merely dismisses the theory as “simpleminded” without giving further reasoning to why it should be rejected.

[36] Miller, David “Skepticism and Relativism.”
[37] Ratzsch, Del The Battle of Beginnings: Why Neither Side is Winning the Creation- Evolution Debate. p. 191
[38] Ratzsch, Del The Battle of Beginnings: Why Neither Side is Winning the Creation- Evolution Debate. p. 110
[39] National Academy of Science 1996, p. 201; Ratzsch, Del The Battle of Beginnings: Why Neither Side is Winning the Creation- Evolution Debate. p. 126
[40] Harre, Rom Obituary: Professor Thomas S. Kuhn
[41] “Science” The Columbia Encyclopedia
[42] Ratzsch, Del The Battle of Beginnings: Why Neither Side is Winning the Creation- Evolution Debate. pp. 127-136
[43] Ibid. pp. 130
[44] Goodstein “Conduct, Misconduct, and the Structure of Science.”; Goodstein, David “What do we mean when we use the term ‘science fraud’?”
— The author calls the mistaken belief “the Myth of the Noble Scientist.”

[45] Goodstein, David “What do we mean when we use the term ‘science fraud’?”
[46] Woodward, James and David Goodstein “Conduct, Misconduct, and the Structure of Science.”
[47] Ratzsch, Del The Battle of Beginnings: Why Neither Side is Winning the Creation- Evolution Debate. pp. 116, 128-129, 174
[48] Woodward, James and David Goodstein “Conduct, Misconduct, and the Structure of Science.”
[49] I know I wouldn’t.
[50] Schafersman, Steven D. “An Introduction to Science.”
— Here the author is an example.

[51] Dembski, William “Disbelieving Darwin—And Feeling No Shame!”; Milton, Richard “Alternative Science.”
[52] Woodward, James and David Goodstein “Conduct, Misconduct, and the Structure of Science.” — The authors suggest that tenacity may be necessary for scientific developments to be successful.

[53] Dembski, William “Disbelieving Darwin—And Feeling No Shame!”
[54] Woodward, James and David Goodstein “Conduct, Misconduct, and the Structure of Science.”
[55] Shapin, Steven “History of Science and Its Sociological Reconstructions.” p. 160; Gould, Stephen Jay “Bathybius Meets Eozoon.” p. 18
[56] Klotz, Irving “The N-Ray Affair.” p. 168ff
[57] Ratzsch, Del The Battle of Beginnings: Why Neither Side is Winning the Creation-Evolution Debate p. 124
[58] Goodstein, David “What Do We Mean When We Use the Term ‘Science Fraud?’”
[59] Ibid.
[60] Gould, Stephen Jay “Smith Woodward’s Folly.”
[61] Kathloff, Mark “God and Creation: A Historical Look at Encounters Between Christianity and Science.” In Bauman pp. 5-30
[62] Davidson, Aaron “Science as a Belief System.”
[63] Wertheim, Margaret “Science & Religion: Blurring the Boundaries.”
[64] Gingerich, Owen “How Galileo Changed the Rules of Science.”
[65] Witham, Larry “Creation-evolution debate takes on a less-shrill tone.”
— Niles Eldredge, a curator at the American Museum of Natural History holds this view.

[66] Wertheim, Margaret “Science & Religion: Blurring the Boundaries.”
[67] Wolpert, Lewis “Hypotheses.”
[68] Ratzsch, Del The Battle of Beginnings: Why Neither Side is Winning the Creation-Evolution Debate. p. 166
[69] Helweg, Otto J. “SCIENTIFIC FACTS: Compatible with Christian Faith?”
[70] Ibid.
[71] Ibid.
[72] Bede “Christianity and the rise of modern science”
[73] Helweg, Otto J. “SCIENTIFIC FACTS: Compatible with Christian Faith?”
[74] Woodward, James and David Goodstein “Conduct, Misconduct, and the Structure of Science.”; Bridgman, Percy W. “On Scientific Method”
[75] Ibid.
[76] American Association for the Advancement of Science 1993, p. 7; Ibid.
[77] Woodward, James and David Goodstein “Conduct, Misconduct, and the Structure of Science.”
[78] Ibid.
[79] Ibid.
[80] Ratzsch, Del The Battle of Beginnings: Why Neither Side is Winning the Creation-Evolution Debate. p. 127
[81] Wipond, Rob “The World is Round (and other mythologies of modern science). (Exploring the Foundations of Humanism)”
[82] Ratzsch, Del “Recapitulations”; Ratzsch, Del The Battle of Beginnings: Why Neither Side is Winning the Creation-Evolution Debate. p. 165
[83] Ratzsch, Del The Battle of Beginnings: Why Neither Side is Winning the Creation-Evolution Debate. p. 132
[84] Reines, Frederick “Who Needs Science?”
[85] Ibid.
 
4everhung said:
subscribed
I need some nootropics
suggestions?

Piracetam @ 2-3g per day (divided into two doses 8 hours apart)
Choline Bitartrate @ 1g per day (two 500mg 8 hours apart)

The above is the cheapest and most effective / bang ofr the buck nootropic stack out there.

Others are:
Sulbutiamine 600mg ED
vincopetine 5-10mg ED
Huperzine A 5-10mg ED
Alpha GPC 600-1000mg ED
Ginkgo Biloba
5-HTP 50mg ED

I love all of the above except for Huperzine A.

I recently started Sulbutiamine but I think it is overstimulating.

NeurogenX is a cheap all in one noo-blend that is pretty good.
 
Newton, easily

But according to some smart dudes it is Einstein

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/541840.stm

All-time top ten
1. Albert Einstein
2. Isaac Newton
3. James Clerk Maxwell
4. Niels Bohr
5. Werner Heisenberg
6. Galileo Galilei
7. Richard Feynman
8= Paul Dirac
8= Erwin Schrödinger
10. Ernest Rutherford
 
justinjones1963 said:
Piracetam @ 2-3g per day (divided into two doses 8 hours apart)
Choline Bitartrate @ 1g per day (two 500mg 8 hours apart)

The above is the cheapest and most effective / bang ofr the buck nootropic stack out there.

Others are:
Sulbutiamine 600mg ED
vincopetine 5-10mg ED
Huperzine A 5-10mg ED
Alpha GPC 600-1000mg ED
Ginkgo Biloba
5-HTP 50mg ED

I love all of the above except for Huperzine A.

I recently started Sulbutiamine but I think it is overstimulating.

NeurogenX is a cheap all in one noo-blend that is pretty good.

Piracetam and hydergine work well, although hydergine is not available in the states last I purchased it. Vincopetine is good for vasodialation, but as a nootropic, I feel it leaves much to be desired. Ginkgo, in my opinion, is more advertising and marketing than a functional supplement. I have never tried 5-HTP as a nootropic, so I cannot comment on that part. I have never tried Huperzine or alpha-GPC.

In my opinion, the BEST nootropic is desmopressin/vasopressin, available as a mcg nasal spray (prescribed in the U.S. for nighttime enuresis). Unlike every other nootropic, it works on memory encoding, verses memory recall. I have used it extensively and personally vouch for it's drug-like effect. Also, you don't have to piss as much for those of us that drink over a gallon of liquid a day, lol. Like Hydergine, this is another one you'll have to import from Europe (both are legal to import, just not available for sale in the U.S.).

HTH




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anthrax said:
Newton, easily

But according to some smart dudes it is Einstein

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/541840.stm

All-time top ten
1. Albert Einstein
2. Isaac Newton
3. James Clerk Maxwell
4. Niels Bohr
5. Werner Heisenberg
6. Galileo Galilei
7. Richard Feynman
8= Paul Dirac
8= Erwin Schrödinger
10. Ernest Rutherford

Blasphemy (lol)!! Feynman and Einstein top off the list (for recent science), with Bohr, Dirac, Schrodinger and the Tomanga guy following suite for their work on both the Trinity project as well as pioneering quantum electrodynamics. Maxwell, of course, for his time, was the undisputed top. Some may argue that he still reigns even to this day.




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pdaddy said:
Shit, I'll talk all day about medications, who's game?

Start some threads! I believe Velvet had a pretty popular thread on neurology or the like.

If it's something you are interested in, want to discuss, or just want to say something about, just make a post about it!!




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I wonder why Bohr changed his name from Nicholas Baker when he came over to the U.S.? (Bohr and his son were very impressed with Feynman.)




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I obviously won the 100,000 with Newton so let's talk about nootropics

They've been used and discussed for years and years and it's still obscure and controversial

I tried Piracetam and DMAE years ago and was not impressed

It may work if you're sensible to the Placebo effect

It's the same story as 90% of the bodybuilding supplements: on the paper it's 10,000% effective but in practice it ain't shit and anyway is nothing compared to other factors (diet & training for lifting, diet, sleep and work for nootropics)
 
I voted for Big Al, not neccessarily for his actualy scientific accomplishments as great as they were. He was just simply the man. Imagine being a patent clerk who one day would have his theories change the world and how the world views itself. Then imagine waxing phiisophic about life and love (check out the "Quotable Einstein" great book). Then imagine this same icon of modern thought hiding in the bushes on his campus and squirting women with a squirt gun because the miniskirt had just been invented and he loved to make them jump.

Though I'll probably never devise a theory like realativity, or atomic propigation, but in some small way I think I am a bit like him and strive to be as much as I can. Too bad the squirt gun thing would ge me arrested now adays.LOL

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
I'm starting a nootropic thread since we all seem interested in it. I know it's covered in one of the other forums here, but screw them, we're totally better and stuff.




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anthrax said:
I obviously won the 100,000 with Newton so let's talk about nootropics

They've been used and discussed for years and years and it's still obscure and controversial

I tried Piracetam and DMAE years ago and was not impressed

It may work if you're sensible to the Placebo effect

It's the same story as 90% of the bodybuilding supplements: on the paper it's 10,000% effective but in practice it ain't shit and anyway is nothing compared to other factors (diet & training for lifting, diet, sleep and work for nootropics)

Anthrax just summed up every truth about nootropics in these few words.

(I might make the notable exception of desmopressin, as it is a drug, but it's use as a nootropic and memory encoding has been scarcely studied.)

Nonetheless, truer words could not be spoken.



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I was six miles out from the first Trinity experiment watching it through the windshield of a truck while everyone else had on dark goggles (dark goggles, you ain't gonna see anything through dark goggles, and everyone knows that bright light can't hurt your eyes, only ultraviolet light can). So that's why I watched it naked-eyed through the truck's windshield. A beautiful sight.

And my work on quantum electrodynamics? Sheesh, who the hell is this Einstein guy anyway? Bohr could run circles around him any day.
 
Here is the only equation you will ever need to know.

The angle of the dangle divided by the mass of the ass is inversly proportional to the measure of the pleasure.

Angle of dangle = A
Mass of ass = M
Measure of pleasure = {P

AxM~{P

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
LOL, me and Lestat like playing opposing sides of the karma game. It's all for fun; neither of us take it seriously.

Good to see you in Elite's science forum, broly!




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Feynman said:
I was six miles out from the first Trinity experiment watching it through the windshield of a truck while everyone else had on dark goggles (dark goggles, you ain't gonna see anything through dark goggles, and everyone knows that bright light can't hurt your eyes, only ultraviolet light can). So that's why I watched it naked-eyed through the truck's windshield. A beautiful sight.

And my work on quantum electrodynamics? Sheesh, who the hell is this Einstein guy anyway? Bohr could run circles around him any day.

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Gotta be an alter...

But something is better then nothing
 
gjohnson5 said:
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Gotta be an alter...

But something is better then nothing

Dick Feynman is alive and doing well. His death was a cover-up by Cal-Tech students in order for him to finish a quantized theory of gravity in peace.




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ah, science. the end all be all explanation of what religous fanatics can't explain, and the real reason things happen that they attribute to this 'god' character.. gotta love it.

go science, go!
 
needtogetas said:
shit samoth give out this k allready will you.

This is a new board, with different people from different EF boards trying it out here. This was a more long-term thing, and even more so as an incentive for people to post.

As you know, I've never been a big karma whore, and have never had a crown (when others have 15 million points, lol), so I have to be a bit stingier and careful with my karma that I give away. I'm going to gift plat someone who's doing some good posting here, and I always try to hit everyone participating in this forum.

I know 100K karma isn't much to you millionairs, but to me and some of the anabolic board guys and newer guys, it's a lot (it's about, what, $40 or so in the karma store?).

As I get more karma, I will be gifting more memberships and making more contests here and other kinds of stuff.




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needtogetas said:
shit samoth give out this k allready will you.

Actually...... since your a multi-millionaire, with plenty in karma bonds (yes, I know what you all are doing, lol, very smart :) ), you could always give karma hits to stuff you find interesting in this forum, or start some karma-award threads about stuff, or if you see someone who's contributing a lot and non-plat, maybe gift him a plat membership or something. :qt:

I don't really expect you to help out with your karma, as it is indeed yours, but any help you'd want to put here would be appreciated by all! Who knows, maybe someday down the road, I'll be a multi-millionaire and there for ya when you need a bit of help :)


Yours in Science,

Samoth
 
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