Here was a good thread by ChefWide with the same exact thread last year. I'll add it to your post here as well.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=405676&highlight=Tren
The answers will be pretty much the same as this thread probably, but we do have newer members now, so it will be interesting to see what they have to say.
For myself, and imo, tren is the "Juice of the Gods." Nothing, and I mean nothing, works for me like Tren does. It is the best & ultimate lean muscle mass builder and anti-catabolic agent I have ever used. Nothing works for me as good as tren when trying to lean-up. The only thing that comes close is winny, which I usually throw in with my tren (and test prop) as an ultimate effective combo when dieting. Anadrol works great too for dieting, but that is a different topic. The changes it does on my body appearance is amazing.
It is a great lean muscle mass builder as well. I have no complaints. However, i'll usually use nandrolone (preferably NPP) as my AAS/progestin of choice as something different when 'bulking' in the winter. I'll throw Anadrol in there as well, but it's role is not entirely understood as an agent that either acts like a progestin or estrogen (or maybe both???).
The sides: Insomnia, night sweats (really bad, but they subside drastically after awhile on the compound), sometimes acne (mainly when bulking....not when leaning up), and maybe agitation. My agitation sides go away after 2-3 weeks while bulking and once my BP has subsided some (I usually run 2-3 drugs so who knows which is the worst...probably a combination of everything, especially the highly aromatizable compounds). When dieting, i'm a moody bastard anyway so it can't be entirely singled as the culprit. Add in a hypocaloric diet, some fat burners, and the bodily shrinkage (mainly water retention) and some loss of strength (which will naturally occur to some extent), and i'd be edgy anyway probably. Sex drive plummets some at times, but playing around with the test dosages, adding in Cialis and Hcg/clomid, and definately some Proviron....and everything is cooking! I mean, I don't HAVE to use these things to 'get it up,' but they do make things easier. I can last longer at sex before cumming as well (lol....you asked
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No hair loss.....<Knock-on-wood>
No kidney or liver problems. My urine has never turned a darkened color, even while being dehydrated when dieting. I'll admit, I don't take a liver panel test every time I use it though. However, i've yet to read from any users showing elevated (at least way above normal) liver enzyme levels. Some will 'say' that their liver or kidneys got 'fucked-up' while on it, but I never see the proof posted from lab results. The funny ones are the guys who post that they could "feel" their liver hurting....which to my understanding is impossible because by the time you "FEEL" it actually hurting, you are more than likely way beyond high liver enzyme levels, which for most, just doesn't happen over night. OR, how about the guys that state that their kidneys hurt and point to the wrong place on the body....Yep, the ones that do not even know where they are located...lol. I've seen this shit posted many times, and although it is funny and I laugh, it can give the wrong image.
That being said, i'm not saying any of the above can't happen. I mean, some people are definately more susceptible to certain sides (hair loss, acne, lessened sex drive or sex performance, temperment, liver stress, etc) than others are. Some guys look at a bottle of Anadrol, and their liver may scream at them (which by the way I feel is usually exaggerated, especially when only used for 4-8 week increments...again, another story). Then some can slam 200mg of Dbol/Anadrol per day for as long as they want and never have any liver problems (plus liver aid/protection supplements are pretty good these days as well).
I mean, I obviously wouldn't suggest tren use for someone with male pattern baldness, that is common sense I hope. This goes with all its reported sides. If a compound gives ya trouble, the the decision is very easy....DON'T USE IT.
However, I would urge everybody to at least give tren a shot once and see how they react for themselves.
Here is a great thing about tren, even when test is added.........It is cheap!
You probably will not see too many studies, especially human studies, so get ready for mainly user testimonies.
I'm OUTTY!
LATER!
BMJ
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