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rage22 said:
Please get a blood test on these transdermals. I really am interested in seeing what is going on for real. My test came back in the 260s... I do not think this stuff works. Especially at the rate they say it does
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You have to give the time for it to reach peak levels. The stuff starts working right away, but you won't be at peak probably for a couple weeks or so
 
Ok so here's what I think I'm looking at for diet:

I went with 5 oz per meal on meats because that's roughly 3 servings per pound, and I'm on a budget here.

High carb days (chest, back, legs):

Meal 1: 1 scoop hydro whey, 1/2-1 cup oatmeal, 1 scoop natural peanut butter
Meal 2: 5 oz flank steak, brown rice
Meal 3: 5 oz chicken breast, sweet potato
Meal 4: Tuna Sandwich
Meal 5: 5 oz chicken, brown rice
Meal 6: postworkout; 2 scoops hydro whey, broccoli, fiber one, 3 eggs
Meal 7: bed time; 2 scoops casein

Low carb days: (shoulders, arms, cardio)

Meal 1: 1 scoop protein, 1/2 cup oatmeal, 1 scoop peanut butter
Meal 2: 5 oz flank steak, broccoli
Meal 3: 5 oz chicken, asparagus
Meal 4: tuna sandwich
Meal 5: 5 oz chicken, broccoli
Meal 6: post workout; 2 scoops whey, broccoli, 3 eggs, fiber cereal
Meal 7: bed time; 2 scoops casein

How does this look?
 
^ i think that is too much protein shakes. i don't do more than 2 ever. you can ruin your kidney that way.
change your breakfast, or eat food before bed. you can go for those eggs in the carton thing because I don't think they have real eggs in them...maybe they do, but I think they can be synthetic. and I wouldn't go that high on the carb loads.

High carb: 150-200 (slightly lower these each week) chest, back, legs
Low carb: below 100 (shoulder, arms, cardio)
Very low carb: below 50 (off day)


but I would probably do more meat than 5 OZ. instead of the tuna sandwich just eat a whole wheat wrap, or some healthy crackers or something or just eat it without that preferably. bread is bad for you.
 
ballslee said:
^ i think that is too much protein shakes. i don't do more than 2 ever. you can ruin your kidney that way.
change your breakfast, or eat food before bed. you can go for those eggs in the carton thing because I don't think they have real eggs in them...maybe they do, but I think they can be synthetic. and I wouldn't go that high on the carb loads.

High carb: 150-200 (slightly lower these each week) chest, back, legs
Low carb: below 100 (shoulder, arms, cardio)
Very low carb: below 50 (off day)


but I would probably do more meat than 5 OZ. instead of the tuna sandwich just eat a whole wheat wrap, or some healthy crackers or something or just eat it without that preferably. bread is bad for you.
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Ok so easier on the protein shakes and I'll add a little more meat and cut out carbs on a few of those meals. I'll have to go with the whole wheat wrap cuz I hate tuna it's just so damn cheap and lean I can't not get it.

Obviously I'll have to assess how I feel after I make these changes but it sounds like this should be a good change for my diet to mix it up a bit and give my body some more variety.

Thanks for all the advice guys hopefully I can make these changes and see some great results quickly from it!
 
dude you should also mix some seafood in there. seafood is leaner than chicken or beef.....shrimp, tilapia, catfish, etc all good meat options. I know chicken get old fast.
also, nuts are a good source of protein. almonds, pistachios, peanuts (no salt added).

have you tried boiling eggs? some people's stomachs get upset from eggs, but you may not be allergic to them. if you do have an allergy then sorry for ya....but even if you can eat 3 eggs, it would be a good snack in the middle of the day to add in. i bring boiled eggs to work sometimes, add a lil pepper and that shit is off the chain.

you are picking it up tho. good job. now just go and do it! change things depending on how your body reacts. Some people completely cut out the protein shakes, and do much better on plain food. I know tren is known to do this.
 
I was thinking about tilapia I love that sh*t. Only thing is that fish, unless its tuna, is more expensive than chicken. That kinda the only reason I didn't have it in there.

I agree boiling the eggs and bringing them to work would be a good idea, however I'm running out of room in my fridge at work and don't know how much more I can add to the list for day time eating lol
 
Looks way better, take out a few shakes and through in some lean meats like tuna or salmon, but you're definitely in the right direction
 
greek yogurt is a good option too. 22g protein per 1cup, dannon plain can be found for 3.49 per 4 cup container

Liquid egg white are amazing. IF you have an egg problem, just get pasteurized ones. 2 cups = 45protein = 200 calories...

I like to use my whey as flavoring. I have a voracious appetite, so whole foods keep me full longer

powerder mixed w/ egg whites and microwaved for 3-5min rocks
mix w/ greek yogurt rocks
make and shake ontop of cereal, yes ...rock
1/2 cup oatmeal 3 cup water, nuke 5min ... split into TWO bowls, 1 scoup when in each bowl...re-mircowave for 1-2 min each = 350cal ... TWO different flavors of oatmeal.. THREE cups of water
try the who-flavor-proatmeal idea, trust me 3 cups of water + 1/2 of oatmeal + 2 scoups of whey will FILL U UP BIG TIME!
 
I was thinking about greek yogurt but I can't seem to find any that doesn't have added sugar.

I haven't heard of mixing whey with egg whites and microwaving. Did I read that right?
 
njguy1 said:
greek yogurt is a good option too. 22g protein per 1cup, dannon plain can be found for 3.49 per 4 cup container

Liquid egg white are amazing. IF you have an egg problem, just get pasteurized ones. 2 cups = 45protein = 200 calories...

I like to use my whey as flavoring. I have a voracious appetite, so whole foods keep me full longer

powerder mixed w/ egg whites and microwaved for 3-5min rocks
mix w/ greek yogurt rocks
make and shake ontop of cereal, yes ...rock
1/2 cup oatmeal 3 cup water, nuke 5min ... split into TWO bowls, 1 scoup when in each bowl...re-mircowave for 1-2 min each = 350cal ... TWO different flavors of oatmeal.. THREE cups of water
try the who-flavor-proatmeal idea, trust me 3 cups of water + 1/2 of oatmeal + 2 scoups of whey will FILL U UP BIG TIME!
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I been str8 killing the Greek yogurt for the past 2 months now shit is bomb. I get like 30 a week now lol..
 
lol I guess I need to add greek yogurt to my list...
 
Alright so last night was shoulders. I also made a bunch of food for the week after my workout so I'll post that too:

BB military press: 6 x 8-10
DB shoulder press: 6 x 10-12
Clean and press: 4 x 8
DB laterals: 4 x 10
DB front raises: 4 x 10
DB sitting rear delts: 4 x 10-12
Db standing rear delts: 4 x 10-12
Heavy shrugs: 4 x failure

Post workout meal:

2 scoops hydro whey
8 oz steak
3 eggs
1 spoon of peanut butter

Bed time: 2 scoops casein w/ 6 oz milk

I got a few steaks and a bunch of chicken, asparagus, broccoli, oatmeal, sweet potatoes and greek yogurt. I will be incorporating those into my diet from now on. Today is cardio so it will be very low carb. I ate some rice earlier but the rest of my meals (except for post workout) today will be with broccoli instead of rice.

Some side notes:

I think I experienced by first tren sides last night. I woke up like 8 times in 6-7 hours. Went to bed at midnight, woke up wide awake at like 6. I hear insomnia is big with tren so that must be the cause.

Also, today I feel kinda sick. Stomach is somewhat nauseaus and I keep getting fever chills.

Is that a common side for tren? I dunno if that is even the cause, maybe I'm just coming down with something, but today I feel like sh*t lol

also today is the mark for two weeks on tren if that makes any difference
 
Hmm. Looks like I may not be doing cardio tonight if this keeps up. Hopefully it subsides soon...
 
I just googled common sides of caber:

Less serious side effects of cabergoline may include:
  • nausea, vomiting, stomach pain, gas, indigestion, constipation;
  • headache, depressed mood;
  • dizziness, spinning sensation;
  • drowsiness, nervousness;
  • hot flashes;
  • numbness or tingly feeling
The tingling and nausea are what I'm experiencing. I took my third dose of caber yesterday.

Oh and I was wrong about this being the 2 week mark on tren its been 1 week. My caber came in sat. and thats when I began. Felt like it had been longer than a week for some reason
 
i know the flu has been going around never had those issues with caber but everyone is different hope you get to feeling better soon
 
ya being sick isn't good for gains lol
 
Meals today:

Meal 1: chicken and rice
Meal 2: chicken and broccoli
Meal 3: chicken and broccoli
Meal 4: steak and broccoli
Meal 5: chicken and broccoli

No tuna today cuz I don't really like it and I felt sick all day I didn't want to puke.

Today and tomorrow are low carb. I'll have some carbs after cardio tonight and that'll be it other than the rice earlier today.
 
ballslee said:
^seems to me that you are getting a shit load of carbs for a cut. and with the low intensity cardio this diet may work for you, but not necessarily for him. and why do you only workout 35 minutes per day???! or is that workout 35 minutes, and cardio 35 minutes?
you get up early as shit, and that is a weird schedule for sure. He needs to lower the calorie content, and have much less carbs to lose weight. not that your diet is wrong by any means, but he could def do some stuff differently than you. and since he is on anabolics he will have an easier time eating less, and cutting up. I would go more like this:

Meal 1: 5 egg whites, 2 whole eggs, 1 cup oatmeal, Apple juice
Meal 2 (snack): Almonds, Tuna, 1 Apple
Meal 3: Chicken Breast, Broccoli
Meal 4: Protein Shake as the milk for your Fiber Cereal (fiber cereal is a great idea, it is complex carbs and has all the fiber to help ease digestion issues.) preworkout carbs
Meal 5: Waxy Maize 35G, Protein Shake, BCAAS, etc for post workout
Meal 6: Chicken Breast (rotate this between sweet potato, brown rice, or vegetables)
Meal 7: Tilapia, Broccoli
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you can swap the earlier protein shake, til bed time (casein) if you want to. i hate casin tho, i can't sleep at all on it. upsets my stomach, very weird

see even in the above, that is probably too much carbs. That would be a higher carb day. I think you need to carb cycle here. On days you don't train, don't go above 50 carbs those days. Big training days do the above diet, and other days where you may have cardio or a different workout do more vegetables. The idea that you should have is to be slowly lowering your carb in take each week. Stay between 150-200, then lower and add more cardio. Continue this pattern each week. And i actually believe milk isn't a bad thing....I have this thing, that I do not want to have that dairy enzyme released from my body or whatever the hell you call it, because at one point in my life I know I may not workout or be healthy, or just want to pig out occasionally. Well that digestive enzyme can stop being produced by your body, because your body isn't supposed to get milk past your moms tits as a baby. well once you stop eating dairy for an extended period of time, you will lose that. Therefore, i use dairy in my diet sparingly to keep those enzymes. You can keep dairy, as long as you tailor it around when your body won't mind it/it wont hurt your goals. So IMO....you could do skim milk post workout.....would just add some sugar, which you need anyway. you could add cheeze to your eggs in the AM because in the morning your body can absorb anything and everything and you will use it as energy in the day. things like that.......

I can't imagine how ole boy is having 9 meals a day and eating 1 pound at each. seems a little bit much, to be losing weight. If anything, this guy should have handful size meals and be cutting his calories below maintenance in order to lose as much fat as possible. the tren and test will keep him anabolic. and he will have the nutrients to build muscle around the times he needs to.
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instead of cycling carbs don't you think he could just eliminate carbs after mid day on non training days?
 
seandh07 said:
I compete in men's physique., this was written by my nutritionist. I workout for about 45 min then cardio. Yes it's high carb, but they are all in the right times, and complex carbs. Yea I get up at 2, work by 4 (marine corps)
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Dude being in the military is way different? especially being a Marine. Im sure on top of your regular daily workouts, you are also doing military training which isn't the same as a regular 9-5 civilian.What is your job in the corps?
 
kravmaga02 said:
Meals today:

Meal 1: chicken and rice
Meal 2: chicken and broccoli
Meal 3: chicken and broccoli
Meal 4: steak and broccoli
Meal 5: chicken and broccoli

No tuna today cuz I don't really like it and I felt sick all day I didn't want to puke.

Today and tomorrow are low carb. I'll have some carbs after cardio tonight and that'll be it other than the rice earlier today.
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Hey man I know you are using the caber. I think you said from mpresearch? I have read several logs where they weren't dosing the tabs correctly. one guy wrote about the clen the have and said that he took one and felt nothing and then the next day he took one and felt totally off and shaking like crazy like he overdosed, just be careful.I would switch to the prami, but you may have the flu to. I just got over a bad stomach bug.

Also how is your cardio affected so far from the tren? I heard it just kills your cardio output. I was thinking about trying tren at a really, really low dose while doing cardio like kickboxing, grappling, but I feel like I will be fighting an uphill battle on that one.
 
Ya I have noticed a bit of drop in endurance.

The thing with switching to Prami is that I hear it causes nausea a lot. However, I hear caber could be dangerous at high doses, and if I'm overdosing every few doses I could see that being a bad thing.

Should I go ahead and start taking the Prami tonight or should I wait til my last caber dose has died down a bit?
 
kravmaga02 said:
Ya I have noticed a bit of drop in endurance.

The thing with switching to Prami is that I hear it causes nausea a lot. However, I hear caber could be dangerous at high doses, and if I'm overdosing every few doses I could see that being a bad thing.

Should I go ahead and start taking the Prami tonight or should I wait til my last caber dose has died down a bit?
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I have never ran tren, so I dont feel comfortable suggesting when to switch, but as far as the prami sides. I hear if you take it before bed its pretty much non-exsistent.Maybe someone else can chime in on this.
 
ok ill hold off on the prami for now.

Tonight post workout meal was:

2 scoops hydro whey
3 eggs
1 large sweet potato
greek yogurt
handful of nuts (giggity)
2 spoonfuls peanut butter

Bed time:
1-2 scoops w/ 8 oz milk
 
peejae said:
Dude being in the military is way different? especially being a Marine. Im sure on top of your regular daily workouts, you are also doing military training which isn't the same as a regular 9-5 civilian.What is your job in the corps?
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Currently working as military police (haha I know right!)
 
Meals today:

Meal 1: 3 eggs, 1 bowl fiber one cereal
Meal 2: chicken and rice
Meal 3: steak and broccoli
Meal 4: chicken and broccoli
Meal 5: chicken or steak and veggies
Meal 6: 2 scoops whey, natural peanut butter, greek yogurt

Tonight is either cardio or nothign at all. I haven't had a day where I just did nothing in a long time, depends how I feel after dinner.

This morning I felt great, last night I slept awesome. I think that caber may be mis-dosed, so I guess I should switch to my liquid Prami from GWP.

I'm not sure when to make the switch though, should I wait til tomorrow when I was going to have my next caber dose?
 
Yea I would imagine that would work. You can throw in some sweet potatoe, I like to put a little cinnamon and very light brown sugar, high in protein and a good source of complex carbs. I would try to eat about 6-8 egg whites, drop the yolk, terrible for cholesterol.
 
Ya I bought a few large sweet potatoes. Had one last night it was awesome. I will begin incorporating them and rolled oatmeal more often, especially on my big workout days.

My only problem is with that many egg whites, I can't stomach that many eggs I will throw up. If I eat more than 6 eggs in a day I want to puke, let alone all in one meal.
 
It's likely not the caber. It's dosed wayyyy higher in medical practice then is seen in the bb world

That and I nor anybody I know has had any noticeable sides come on from it's use
 
Should I keep taking the caber then?

I haven't had any real sides other than yesterday, so maybe I was just fighting some bug off...
 
digit0x said:
I wouldn't. Decrease dose/frequency.
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Can't decrease dose they are pills. My options then are switch to Prami or take the caber every 4 days instead of every 3
 
If you felt great and slept great then why would you think the caber isn't working? One of the signs that the caber is doing its job is being able to sleep on tren. Without it the insomnia is ridiculous. You will have trouble falling asleep and will wake up multiple times a night sweating like your in a sauna. If the caber is working I wouldn't bother switching to prami. That shit is horrible and id avoid it if possible.
 
peejae said:
how is the cardio holding up grappling and doing boxing while on tren?
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It isn't too bad yet. I've noticed I lose my breath a little quicker but I can pace myself to make up for it. I think once I get warmed up my lungs open up a bit and its okay.

I was also running ostarine and S4 before this cycle and I felt like they were helping my endurance significantly, so if it weren't for that it may be worse than it is right now.
 
joeblow12345 said:
If you felt great and slept great then why would you think the caber isn't working? One of the signs that the caber is doing its job is being able to sleep on tren. Without it the insomnia is ridiculous. You will have trouble falling asleep and will wake up multiple times a night sweating like your in a sauna. If the caber is working I wouldn't bother switching to prami. That shit is horrible and id avoid it if possible.
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Ya I decided to wait until my next caber dose to see how I feel the next day. I haven't had any negative sides as of yet, except for yesterday

I'm thinking I may have jus caught a bug and got it out of my system in a day.
 
What are you dosing the caber at? Sorry for not catching it earlier as I'm sure you posted it; just caught up on the last 3 pages.

I dosed caber at .25mg 2x/week and it dropped my prolactin from over 17 down to 0.5 low OOR. That's due to an abnormal production of prolactin and not aas-related, though. But just figured I'd share that experience.
 
ya KravMaga i think that caber you got is pretty solid. i am on the same one, and I literally am a walking boner from it. the night I dose it i wake up a couple of times to piss with a massive erection....that is a side of caber, as is multiple orgasims. i think it is def not the caber, cuz it is very solid.
 
MidwestBeast said:
What are you dosing the caber at? Sorry for not catching it earlier as I'm sure you posted it; just caught up on the last 3 pages.

I dosed caber at .25mg 2x/week and it dropped my prolactin from over 17 down to 0.5 low OOR. That's due to an abnormal production of prolactin and not aas-related, though. But just figured I'd share that experience.
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Im dosing it at .5 mg every 3 days. The pills are at .5 so I can't really drop the dose.

I haven't had any performance problems sexually, although I have noticed a little less interest than normal.

Also no sore or puffy nipples. Im not sure how long those sides would take to show up but so far so good on the caber as far as preventing those things

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ballslee said:
ya KravMaga i think that caber you got is pretty solid. i am on the same one, and I literally am a walking boner from it. the night I dose it i wake up a couple of times to piss with a massive erection....that is a side of caber, as is multiple orgasims. i think it is def not the caber, cuz it is very solid.
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lol ya I'm gunna stick with it unless that just keeps happening
 
Meals today:

Meal 1: Chicken and brown rice
Meal 2: steak and chicken
Meal 3: chicken and sweet potato
Meal 4: chicken or steak
Meal 5: Chicken and sweet potato

This isn't counting post workout, I'll post that later tonight after legs.
 
kravmaga02 said:
Meals today:

Meal 1: Chicken and brown rice
Meal 2: steak and chicken
Meal 3: chicken and sweet potato
Meal 4: chicken or steak
Meal 5: Chicken and sweet potato

This isn't counting post workout, I'll post that later tonight after legs.
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get some veggies in there....you need to shit somehow
 
Superman_777 said:
So how are your lifts & what have your gains been like as of now

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My belly fat is dropping pretty quickly, and my workouts have been much better, either by way of more weight, more reps, ir adding new exercises entirely.

My time between sets has been much less as well.

My biggest strength gains id say thus far are in deadlifts, I normally do Romanians with 135-185 @ 10 reps and I've upped it to 225 and its pretty easy.

Deadlifts are like my weakest lift too, my lower back is always lagging a bit, so to see that dramatic change in inly a weeks time is great

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kravmaga02 said:
Im dosing it at .5 mg every 3 days. The pills are at .5 so I can't really drop the dose.

I haven't had any performance problems sexually, although I have noticed a little less interest than normal.

Also no sore or puffy nipples. Im not sure how long those sides would take to show up but so far so good on the caber as far as preventing those things

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Yeah you should be gtg at that dose. I started off at that dose and after a week or two, I was down to half that. And I just went with 2x/week for simplicity's sake. As long as you have tabs, you can always halve them; that's what I did with my .5mg tabs.
 
MidwestBeast said:
Yeah you should be gtg at that dose. I started off at that dose and after a week or two, I was down to half that. And I just went with 2x/week for simplicity's sake. As long as you have tabs, you can always halve them; that's what I did with my .5mg tabs.
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I have capsules lol

I think it's ok though, I took my dose of caber this morning and I'm fine, I really think I had just caught something and it came and went really fast.
 
ballslee said:
get some veggies in there....you need to shit somehow
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ya I know I ran out of broccoli last night. Tonight post workout I'll have a bunch of broccoli with my meal.

Tomorrow I am going on a day trip for this new job I'm trying to get, so my meals may not be so great as I won't be in a single locatino all day for more than an couple hours and I won't have a fridge to store anything in.

I'll keep it as healthy as I can, but I don't imagine the meal frequency will be on par. Just letting yall know ahead of time so I don't get yelled at tomorrow when I post my meals lol
 
Ok tonight was legs and I definitely noticed some strength increases. Weight went up on everything.

Squats: 6 x 10
Leg press 6 x 10 narrow stance
Leg press 6 x 10 wide stance
Leg press 6 x 8-10 regular stance
Leg extensions 5 x 8-10
Leg curls 4 x 8-10

Abs

Leg press I went up like 3 or 4 plates on each side. I wasn't using a whole lot a couple weeks ago, just focusing on form, but tonight I had good form and still pumped that sh*t out with a bunch extra weight.

Skipped calves cuz I don't feel like I get a whole lot out of those exercises, and I wanted to spend more time focusing on my thighs.

Free weight squats I only went up about 20 lba but I have to be careful with those as I've had 2 knee surgeries and don't want another.

I noticed my cardio is getting worse. I was dripping sweat after the first two sets, and really out of breath. Strength still going up though so I'm not too worried about it.

Post workout meal:

2 scoops hydro whey
bunch of broccoli
brown rice
fiber and protein cereal
greek yogurt

Bed time:

2 scoops casein
 
I'll be lurking this thread for sure...I start my transdermal winny soon....fucking PUMPED!!!!!!!!!
 
Alright today was a little differnt for diet. I was on the road for basically a day-long job interview, still got 4 full meals in.

Meal 1: 1 scoop hydro whey, 1 scoop peanut butter, 1 large bowl of rolled oats with a little brown sugar and cinnamin
Meal 2: 4 large pork ribs (no BBQ sauce, just salt and pepper), 12 oz sirloin, ear of corn
Meal 3: Pan seared chicken, brussels sprouts, cauliflower

Post workout: 2 scoops hydro whey, 2 scoops peanut butter with a toasted whole wheat english muffin (I know bread is bad but I needed some post workout carbs)

Bed time: 1 scoop casein

Cardio is getting worse, strength is going up. Tonight was chest

Not working on adding gratiuitous amounts of weight to low reps on bench, but rather adding reasonable weight to 8-10 rep ranges, ending sets being in the 6 range. Trying to add more shape and definition to my chest, rather than strength and size, so I'm looking for very strict form

Regardless, my weight is going up on each, down time between sets is going down, getting some awesome pumps in the gym too.

Smith machine bench: 6 x 6-10
Smith machine incline: 7 + sets x 6-10 (lost count on sets after 6
DB bench: 3 x 8
Cable chest flyes (pyramids): 9 sets x failure
Machine chest flyes (pyramids): 9 sets x failure

I'm still steadily maintaining muscle, if not gaining a little, while slowly lowering belly fat. One of my belts does nothing to keep my pants up anymore, a few weeks ago it fit very snug

I'm trying not to do anything too extreme on fat loss because I don't want to lose a bunch of mass, just trying to take it slow so I can keep as much as possible when I'm done.

Anyway I'm beat so I'm going to bed, I'll see yall later!
 
Sounds like these products are treating you well. I'm happy to hear that. Hopefully mine come today, then I'll be starting mine. It feels like Christmas today lol
 
psizzle_8 said:
Sounds like these products are treating you well. I'm happy to hear that. Hopefully mine come today, then I'll be starting mine. It feels like Christmas today lol
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Lol I know right! I was all anxious waiting for mine to come in.

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kravmaga02 said:
Lol I know right! I was all anxious waiting for mine to come in.

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I've enjoyed following this thread.

It does sound like your getting good results with the Transdermals. Hopefully mine will be here today too!
Someone commented that it felt like X-mas well I too am excited - the last time I worked out seriously was "1976!" I'm glad I found my way to the gym again! I'm like a little kid in a candy store.
 
Yep! It really is. I've been watching the postman like he stole something lol
 
Tonight was back. Im not gunna list the whole workout cuz im on my phone. I felt a little weak tonight. Still had the intensity and I still added either weight or sets, I just felt a little drained I guess.

I loaded up on carbs after because of that, give my body some more fuel.

What do y'all think of adding creatine to my supplements? I wasn't sure if it would make me bloat too much and take away from my attempt to lean down.

I also wanted to get Yalls opinion on whether or not I should at any point consider upping my dose on either the tren or test?

Tomorrow is only the end of week 2 so im not trying to up it just yet, but I seem to be handling them well without sides and figured I could handle a bit more without pushing it at some point.

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Don't up the dose!!!! More is not always better! If you're in taking enough water you will be fine with creatine, you may notice a little extra bloat for about a week but then it goes away, your call.
 
Definitely don't up the dose if its working great. As far as creatine goes its your call. It's not necessary IMO as it really doesn't bring anything substantial to the cycle. All it does for me on cycle is kill my appetite so I don't bother. I'd save it for after the cycle to help maintain weight.
 
Ok I won't up the dose then.

I'm going to post another pic since it's been a week since my last one I posted. The thing that kinda worries me is that I dunno if the most recent actually looks better. The reason that worries me is that my diet has been much more strict than it previously was, and I'm running into my 3rd week of a supposedly very potent steroid cycle lol shouldn't I be looking better week by week?

Let me know what yall think between the two. If you think the first one looks better, I think I have some re-thinking to do...
 
RickRock13 said:
These things arent magic either, and not any steroid is. Post up your diet and we can tell you exactly if it needs anything.
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I understand they aren't magic, and that isn't what I'm expecting.

I do however expect that as time progresses I will see more physical progress.

It just doesn't make sense that taking this stuff would make me look worse over time, especially if my exercise becomes more intense and my diet becomes more strict.

My typical meals are as follows:

High carb day (chest, back, or legs):

meal 1: rolled oats, 3 eggs (or one scoop whey depending on how much time I have)
Meal 2: chicken or steak, broccoli
Meal 3: chicken or steak, brown rice or sweet potato
Meal 4: chicken or steak, broccoli
Meal 5: chicken or steak, brown rice or sweet potato
Meal 6 (post workout): 2 scoops whey, 3 eggs, broccoli, fiber cereal (sometimes nuts or greek yogurt)
Meal 7 (bed time): 1-2 scoops casein (depending on if I had whey for breakfast), 6-8 oz milk, 1 serving peanut butter

My low carb days I have all the same stuff I just have more veggies with my meats instead of rice or potatoes.

I'm not saying the stuff isn't working at all. Certain things can be placebo: gym aggression, more intensity/strength.

The thing that gives me confidence this stuff is legit is that I wouldn't have less interest in sex, that's something that doens't happen for me unless I'm ON.

So I'm not saying its bunk or that I expect it to work over night. I'm just wanting to see continuous improvement as the weeks go on, and I don't think that is an unreasonable expectation to have especially considering the reputation that Tren has as such an extreme anabolic.

So help me out here guys, I want this stuff to work and I'm willing to try what yall recommend as long as I'm able.
 
One side note: I'm not even %100 that pic #2 doesn't look better. I see less love handle action and my waist looks smaller I'd say so that is a positive, but I guess I feel like there is less definition overall, which could be a drawback...
 
Ok that's a relief to hear. No worries then!
 
RickRock13 said:
In week 3, things are probably just starting to take off realistically. Even short esters and orals can take 2-3 weeks to really kick in. You are expecting too much too soon IMO
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I agree with this. I think people are making the mistake of comparing this stuff to Suspension when it is actually more like Prop. Takes weeks to build up, not hours or days.
 
seandh07 said:
Def tighter, diet looks good but you need to make sure you're not eating much, not enough for your goals.
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I eat pretty small portions so I don't think I'm over eating. I'm only eating large portions post workout
 
Rockwilder said:
I agree with this. I think people are making the mistake of comparing this stuff to Suspension when it is actually more like Prop. Takes weeks to build up, not hours or days.
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It's good to hear this.

I was feeling a bit discouraged there for a bit but if yall say this is just the starting point for this stuff to start kicking in, then I feel much better about it.


Don't get me wrong I have been getting some insane workouts and awesome pumps the past couple of weeks, so in that regard it has already been kicking in to some extent.
 
Just hang in there. You're okay. You'll get there. :)

You're not alone, plenty of us go through struggle spells. I'm in contest prep and I've had a couple.
 
Rockwilder said:
I agree with this. I think people are making the mistake of comparing this stuff to Suspension when it is actually more like Prop. Takes weeks to build up, not hours or days.
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I disagree, but compounds can be different from person to person. i felt it from day one. i did notice my headaches went away after one week the blood pressure increase after taking it gave me a headache, but that went away after one week. but i take the test as a preworkout kick on some training days. I take it on my lunch break, and then go workout after work. it definitely works very fast.
 
Thanks for helping clear that up for me everyone, just needed a little reassuring I guess...
 
Tonight was arms:

BB curls: 3 x 6-8
French presses: 3 x 6-12
Hammer curls 3 x 6 superset w/ skullcrushers 3 x 8-10
Machine curls 3 x 6 each arm, superset 3 x 10 both arms, superset DB overhead triceps 3 x 10-12
Conecntration curls 3 x 8-10
Rope push downs: 3 x 8-10
Straight bar push downs: 3 x 6-8
V bar push downs 3 x 5-6

Abs

Post workout:

2 scoops hydro whey
3 jumbo eggs
2 scoops peanut butter
1 large bowl fiber one mixed w/ wheaties

bed time:
2 scoops casein w/ 8 oz milk
 
I could have boiled eggs for every meal of the day. Jealous! At the point I'm at in my prep I can only have 2 whole eggs, rest are whites :(
 
psizzle_8 said:
I could have boiled eggs for every meal of the day. Jealous! At the point I'm at in my prep I can only have 2 whole eggs, rest are whites :(
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That sucks im not a huge fan of egg whites myself

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Does anyone know if using the same application site without switching it up could be detrimental to absorption?

Like maybe the skin could somehow build up a tolerance or something?

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I noticed today my inner thigh area seemed to take a little longer to dry...I don't see it being an issue though honestly, but I will find out for you.
 
psizzle_8 said:
I noticed today my inner thigh area seemed to take a little longer to dry...I don't see it being an issue though honestly, but I will find out for you.
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Ok cool. I didn't think so I just wanted to be sure im maximizing the intake here

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I'm sure it's ok. I don't notice anything different. I just give myself about 10min before letting clothes touch my application areas just to be sure
 
seandh07 said:
How are gains so far? You've been on for about 2 weeks now correct? Any bf measurements or weight?
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No BF readings cuz I'm not sure how good I am at using calipers. It's definitely going down, as I have been losing inches off my waist for the past couple months just by eating healthier, I'd say at least one inch in the past couple weeks.

My belts don't go skinny enough for me anymore and my pants are getting loose lol

I have noticed that despite losing that fat around the waist, my muscles are looking fuller and more dense.

I'm noticing more striations in areas like my chest.

Also when I hit the right pose my serratus anterior is becoming much more apparent, something I haven't had in well over a year.

Overall I'd say it's good considering how early I am in the cycle. Everyone says that week 3 is when things should start taking off for me, so I'm excited to see this stuff in full swing during the coming weeks.
 
psizzle_8 said:
I'm sure it's ok. I don't notice anything different. I just give myself about 10min before letting clothes touch my application areas just to be sure
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Ya I wait about 5-10 mins, then apply the lotion. The guy said that after 5 minutes it should be mostly absorbed, I fan it too to speed up the drying process a bit.
 
I apply on my inner bicep and have been on test/tren cycle for about 1.5 weeks now and have noticed that my bicep's are getting REALLY REALLY red and burnt, like a chemical burn almost to them

the skin actually peeled a bit the other day, like a bad sun burn.

I am on the following
1ml test 1ml tren X2 per day (2ml of each total)

it feels like applying rubbing alcohol to my skin. And my gains have been NONE!!!! (to the point where i am questioning this stuff)

this is my first cycle, and i have documented low T of 40...so i figured i was the perfect candidate.

so far, very disappointed.

Also I'm using their liquid T3 and yeah.. thats been disappointing as well. Tastes like pineapple juice, and i've seen no positive effects from that either (1ml 2x per day)
 
njguy1 said:
I apply on my inner bicep and have been on test/tren cycle for about 1.5 weeks now and have noticed that my bicep's are getting REALLY REALLY red and burnt, like a chemical burn almost to them

the skin actually peeled a bit the other day, like a bad sun burn.

I am on the following
1ml test 1ml tren X2 per day (2ml of each total)

it feels like applying rubbing alcohol to my skin. And my gains have been NONE!!!! (to the point where i am questioning this stuff)

this is my first cycle, and i have documented low T of 40...so i figured i was the perfect candidate.

so far, very disappointed.

Also I'm using their liquid T3 and yeah.. thats been disappointing as well. Tastes like pineapple juice, and i've seen no positive effects from that either (1ml 2x per day)
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Lol these aren't fucking magic...just like any AAS you need to be training and eating properly as well as be in decent shape to begin with to really see them shine.

I have been running my transdermal winny almost a week along with some oral provi and I'm in fucking heaven. Even after cheat meals I am still getting leaner and leaner all the while gaining nice mass and ridiculous strength in the gym.

So don't blame the products. I'm proof, as well as countless others, that these things are the real deal.
 
psizzle_8 said:
Lol these aren't fucking magic...just like any AAS you need to be training and eating properly as well as be in decent shape to begin with to really see them shine.

I have been running my transdermal winny almost a week along with some oral provi and I'm in fucking heaven. Even after cheat meals I am still getting leaner and leaner all the while gaining nice mass and ridiculous strength in the gym.

So don't blame the products. I'm proof, as well as countless others, that these things are the real deal.
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These are the real deal.

There is no magic pill or in this case liquid. I have been on the test, ,tren and winny for 13 days and I am making gains that would never happen without this stuff. I feel great and have been adding great lean mass and awesome strength as each day goes by.

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What an awesome thread.

OP, are you applying both in the same areas. For example rubbing both in the same area or do you keep the applications separate by applying one compound on one thigh and the other compound on the other thigh?
 
If you're doing more than one compound, do one compound in one area, and the other on another area. Example: one compound on inner thighs, while putting the other compounds in the inner biceps.
 
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