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Let me explain myself a bit more - I know I don't always do it the best, but I try - Abe Lincoln example

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"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races -- that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

-Abraham Lincoln (September 18, 1858)
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So, everyone thinks Abraham Lincoln is great right? Wanted to free the slaves? Is on every fucking 5 dollar bill.

Well had he been alive today and said that, he would be a straight up RACIST. No judge and jury, he's a racist, period.

Now you can't just history by today's standards, but here is why I bring this up as an example.


Imagine that after Abe Lincoln said that, there was this guy, PreLEstat lets say. And he sat around coffee houses talking about how black and white people are REALLY EQUAL and should be afforded the SAME RIGHTS under the law.

Well the ignormant population, who we will call EF, would all collectively DENOUNCE PreLestat saying he was a moron, and of course blacks are inferior and they would go on the list out all of the reasons why. Unfornately PreLestat would die long before someone could tell him he was right.
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That is how I feel when I talk about religion. Another areas where the ignorant masses have been completely fucking DUPED against all reason, logic, and evidence.

That is how I feel when I talk about many topics on here, like I am somehow just a bit before my time. For example, circumcision. I think its barbaric and should be banned (although I myself and circumcised I can see why it is useless and perverse).

When you think I am a complete moron who's views are so far out there no one could ever possibly agree, remember what Abe said about the black people less than 150 years ago, and keep in mind he was widely respected and considered one of the black man's biggest advocates.
 
by the way, Abe Lincoln WAS a visionary for his time, a great man, one of the best Presidents we've had, certainly one of the best writers, speakers, and motivators.

I use him as an example of how even the most outstanding individuals can get things wrong. Even the most powerful world leaders, can get things wrong.
 
why are you trying to explain yourself to people on the internet?


Lots of people hate me but fuck them
 
the_clockwork said:
why are you trying to explain yourself to people on the internet?


Lots of people hate me but fuck them
its a discussion forum, I like to discuss :shrug:
 
Lestat said:
So, everyone thinks Abraham Lincoln is great right? Wanted to free the slaves?

B..you're a pretty smart guy....but you come up with the most piss-poor analogies sometimes.

Lincoln never wanted the slaves freed. In fact, he was afraid of slaves with access to arms. Even the Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in Confederate States..it was legally worded to avoid freedom in the North, and the four Union states that still had slaves.'

Congress freed the slaves via the Second Confiscation Act.

Up until Lincoln died, he practically wore a white bed sheet over his head and swore that negroes were second class people.

Well had he been alive today and said that, he would be a straight up RACIST. No judge and jury, he's a racist, period.

He was always a racist. His wife's family owned slaves.

When you think I am a complete moron who's views are so far out there no one could ever possibly agree

You're not a moron, but knowing a little more about what you are posting about would sometimes help...like when you earlier tried to make it look like R Kelly was "free"....and did not realize the Grand Jury just indicted him with a 9/17/2007 court date.
 
Re: Let me explain myself a bit more - I know I don't always do it the best, but I tr

Lestat said:
"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races -- that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

-Abraham Lincoln (September 18, 1858)
____


So, everyone thinks Abraham Lincoln is great right? Wanted to free the slaves? Is on every fucking 5 dollar bill.

Well had he been alive today and said that, he would be a straight up RACIST. No judge and jury, he's a racist, period.

Now you can't just history by today's standards, but here is why I bring this up as an example.


Imagine that after Abe Lincoln said that, there was this guy, PreLEstat lets say. And he sat around coffee houses talking about how black and white people are REALLY EQUAL and should be afforded the SAME RIGHTS under the law.

Well the ignormant population, who we will call EF, would all collectively DENOUNCE PreLestat saying he was a moron, and of course blacks are inferior and they would go on the list out all of the reasons why. Unfornately PreLestat would die long before someone could tell him he was right.
'
That is how I feel when I talk about religion. Another areas where the ignorant masses have been completely fucking DUPED against all reason, logic, and evidence.

That is how I feel when I talk about many topics on here, like I am somehow just a bit before my time. For example, circumcision. I think its barbaric and should be banned (although I myself and circumcised I can see why it is useless and perverse).

When you think I am a complete moron who's views are so far out there no one could ever possibly agree, remember what Abe said about the black people less than 150 years ago, and keep in mind he was widely respected and considered one of the black man's biggest advocates.
so what are you saying some day the hole world will see it your way.lol
 
Lestat said:
its a discussion forum, I like to discuss :shrug:

understandable but I know you are a smart enough guy and you know certain arguments are worthless and not worthwhile whatsoever.. Just my 2 cents. I don't really have beef with anyone on this site but one person b/c I think he is a moron and gives shitty advice to anyone that asks a question. I highly DOUBT anyone knows who I am talking about :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
People, we are in the presence of a visionary. All bow down!
 
gotmilk said:
B..you're a pretty smart guy....but you come up with the most piss-poor analogies sometimes.

Lincoln never wanted the slaves freed. In fact, he was afraid of slaves with access to arms. Even the Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in Confederate States..it was legally worded to avoid freedom in the North, and the four Union states that still had slaves.'

Congress freed the slaves via the Second Confiscation Act.

Up until Lincoln died, he practically wore a white bed sheet over his head and swore that negroes were second class people.



He was always a racist. His wife's family owned slaves.



You're not a moron, but knowing a little more about what you are posting about would sometimes help...like when you earlier tried to make it look like R Kelly was "free"....and did not realize the Grand Jury just indicted him with a 9/17/2007 court date.
I'm talking about perception here.

If I asked 100 people which President "Freed the slaves" what will the most common answer be?

Also, the R Kelly indictment, wasn't that announced this month, last month?

How many YEARS ago did he get busted with a sex tape of a child?

Now when was the first time you heard about Vick and dogs? For me it was just a few months ago, definitely within the last year.

I saw more about the R kelly incident in comedy skits than I did in the news. Vick has been on EVERY new channel and constantly denounced.

I only wished people had a similar reaction toward child molestors.
 
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