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La Toya Jackson says, "my brother was murdered"

Woo Hoo. More MJ news for the next 2 years. Media is gonna love this!

AS for prop: millions of non-medically-trained non-medical-law-trained people jumping to conclusions on something. Just like I can jump to the conclusion that someone should get a medal for killing a child rapist :)

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Don't think so doc.

The issue isn't one of it being a controlled substance, and it exceeds malpractice, because it is intentionally performing a procedure that a M.D. would know to be life threatening.

Of course, the doc that gets busted isn't going to say he adminstered it for insomina.



Again, there may not be a law on the books, but administering (and God help them if they found more than 1 dose) this drug in a home setting indicates an action that exceeds malpractice.

When did you become a malpractice lawyer? Or maybe you sit on Louisiana's state medical board?
 
Don't think so doc.

The issue isn't one of it being a controlled substance, and it exceeds malpractice, because it is intentionally performing a procedure that a M.D. would know to be life threatening.

How is this intentionally performing a procedure known to be life threatening? I give propofol all the time for fracture/shoulder reductions. Yes, it can be a life threatening drug, but it's an acceptable risk. There's no law that states it has to be given in a healthcare setting. I could easily give it to a family member at their house if I wanted to if I had a legitimate reason (if they popped out their shoulder, elbow, etc.). Although I don't keep propofol nearby so that's not going to happen. The risk is people vomiting and aspirating or they go into respiratory arrest. The first is easily prevented by having suction nearby, or better yet not performing sedation on someone who has eaten within the last 4 hours. The second is treated by simply ventilating the patient for the 1-2 minutes it takes for the drug to wear off.

I've given people too much propofol before, had them stop breathing, and simply ventilated them for a minute and they were wide awake by then. Propofol wears off so quickly. I don't give it unless it's going to be a very simple procedure. For a complex fracture/dislocation, I usually use midazolam/fentanyl or etomidate instead because it lasts a little longer allowing me to manipulate the fracture.

I think I remember seeing a serial number on a propofol bottle once. Our bottles are barcoded, but the hospital places the barcode on them for nurses to scan for billing purposes. We use the 250 mL bottle to do our conscious/procedural sedations with. End up wasting a ton since the concentration is 10 mg/mL and nearly everyone can be knocked out with 100 mg (10 mL). Propofol is our drug of choice for sedating vent patients where I work now.

Physicians can order propofol through suppliers.

As I mentioned before, as long as they were using it for an acceptable purpose, then they won't be charged. Using it for insomnia then they likely will be charged.
 
How is this intentionally performing a procedure known to be life threatening? I give propofol all the time for fracture/shoulder reductions. Yes, it can be a life threatening drug, but it's an acceptable risk. There's no law that states it has to be given in a healthcare setting. I could easily give it to a family member at their house if I wanted to if I had a legitimate reason (if they popped out their shoulder, elbow, etc.). Although I don't keep propofol nearby so that's not going to happen. The risk is people vomiting and aspirating or they go into respiratory arrest. The first is easily prevented by having suction nearby, or better yet not performing sedation on someone who has eaten within the last 4 hours. The second is treated by simply ventilating the patient for the 1-2 minutes it takes for the drug to wear off.

I've given people too much propofol before, had them stop breathing, and simply ventilated them for a minute and they were wide awake by then. Propofol wears off so quickly. I don't give it unless it's going to be a very simple procedure. For a complex fracture/dislocation, I usually use midazolam/fentanyl or etomidate instead because it lasts a little longer allowing me to manipulate the fracture.

I think I remember seeing a serial number on a propofol bottle once. Our bottles are barcoded, but the hospital places the barcode on them for nurses to scan for billing purposes. We use the 250 mL bottle to do our conscious/procedural sedations with. End up wasting a ton since the concentration is 10 mg/mL and nearly everyone can be knocked out with 100 mg (10 mL). Propofol is our drug of choice for sedating vent patients where I work now.

Physicians can order propofol through suppliers.

As I mentioned before, as long as they were using it for an acceptable purpose, then they won't be charged. Using it for insomnia then they likely will be charged.

That's the beauty of it.


And yeah, I thought ya'll used etomidate more in the ER.

Agree with above.
 
How is this intentionally performing a procedure known to be life threatening? I give propofol all the time for fracture/shoulder reductions. Yes, it can be a life threatening drug, but it's an acceptable risk. There's no law that states it has to be given in a healthcare setting. I could easily give it to a family member at their house if I wanted to if I had a legitimate reason (if they popped out their shoulder, elbow, etc.). Although I don't keep propofol nearby so that's not going to happen. The risk is people vomiting and aspirating or they go into respiratory arrest. The first is easily prevented by having suction nearby, or better yet not performing sedation on someone who has eaten within the last 4 hours. The second is treated by simply ventilating the patient for the 1-2 minutes it takes for the drug to wear off.

I've given people too much propofol before, had them stop breathing, and simply ventilated them for a minute and they were wide awake by then. Propofol wears off so quickly. I don't give it unless it's going to be a very simple procedure. For a complex fracture/dislocation, I usually use midazolam/fentanyl or etomidate instead because it lasts a little longer allowing me to manipulate the fracture.

I think I remember seeing a serial number on a propofol bottle once. Our bottles are barcoded, but the hospital places the barcode on them for nurses to scan for billing purposes. We use the 250 mL bottle to do our conscious/procedural sedations with. End up wasting a ton since the concentration is 10 mg/mL and nearly everyone can be knocked out with 100 mg (10 mL). Propofol is our drug of choice for sedating vent patients where I work now.

Physicians can order propofol through suppliers.

As I mentioned before, as long as they were using it for an acceptable purpose, then they won't be charged. Using it for insomnia then they likely will be charged.

Are you equating what you do in the field in emergency situations with what would be considered legally responsible within the city limits of L.A.?
 
Are you equating what you do in the field in emergency situations with what would be considered legally responsible within the city limits of L.A.?

Dislocation reduction's arent typically emergent, can be if they're causing some sort of entrapment i suppose.

I think he means that as a physician, it legally, morally, etc appropriate to use propofol in the manner he described. What do the city limits of LA have to do with anything?
 
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