Knowing Your Body????

[Wombat]

There are a lot of people on this board who give advice ---some good ---some not so good. Some people make statments saying I know my body and you can't tell me any different.

My question is this---How many people that have never gotten there bodyfat down below 5% really can make statments that they know there own body? And this drug will do this for you and this drug will do that for you. Drugs will give the appearance of acting differently when bodyfats are lower then higher---In some cases a lot different.

For all you people out there that have never competed or gotten your body close to comp. condition and love to give advise. And call yourself a bodybuilder of some sort. Do yourself a favor and do the "DIET" so you can understand first hand just what is really going on with ones body. Hell I have heard people on this board that have taken boat loads of gear state "My body will not ever get below 10% bodyfat" i've tried every diet out there and it just isn't going to happen for me.

I say this to the statement above---you are only kidding yourself and no fooling anyone on the board who has gotten there bodyfat really low. If you tried to do it and couldn't do it---its not because your body won't let you but because you don't have the willpower to do it. Peace!!

 

[The Iron Game]

gotta say I dont fully agree with you there and no I have never gotten my bf down to <5 nor do I think I ever will. A lot of people who do go below the 5 mark do use gh. Now call me what you will but I hardly call this knowing your diet. Dnp = the same. Eat like shit and lose bf. Fina = the same. Just because someone chooses to compete and someone else does not is not equivalent of saying only one of them knows there body well. It is all relative. Bump for being different

 

[Nathan]

Well, I for one have had my bf down around 5% (don't know about lower), but wasn't using any gear then. I agree that it can be done no matter who are. It does indeed take discipline. I would say, rather, that gear has little to do with knowing your body. It comes from paying close attention to what you eat and changes in body composition. You don't have to compete to know that, but it does help if you've been excessively lean as the rules of losing fat change after you've reached a certain point.

 

[Wombat]

I agree one does not have to compete---I'm just stating that how can a person that has never done the diet really understand what is going on in this game.

And dnp alone will not get you under 5% without watching what one puts into there body. And there is a diff-rebound affect from Dnp opposed to straight dieting ----

If one person was to use Dnp and get there body fat down to a certain % ---then stop it all together and eat like shit for 2 weeks---the body will take on a total diff. look opposed to someone who straight diets, gets his bodyfat real low(without dnp) and then eats like shit for 2 weeks. Take the two bodies and put them side by side and the straight dieters body would look much better (if both were equal to begin with)--So I don't think one can say a guy that eats like shit but takes dnp to lose his weight really understands what it takes to get real low. And understands the "feeling" that one has----Its apples and oranges in my opinion. But to each his own...

 

[pump it]

gotta say I dont fully agree with you there and no I have never gotten my bf down to <5 nor do I think I ever will. A lot of people who do go below the 5 mark do use gh. Now call me what you will but I hardly call this knowing your diet. Dnp = the same. Eat like shit and lose bf. Fina = the same. Just because someone chooses to compete and someone else does not is not equivalent of saying only one of them knows there body well. It is all relative. Bump for being different

im sorry to say, but not everyone who competes uses crazy amounts of drugs to get their bf down. i did my first 3 competitions completely natural, that was before i started using as. i used no clen,dnp,fina,gh,etc. shit i didnt even use dandelion root to cut my water. as well, i did fairly good in those competitions. 1st at local, show. 3rd at provicials,and 5th at nationals.

so please dont make the assumption that everyone who competes needs all those drugs to do it. as well, dont make the assumption that u cant get your bf down without drugs. all youre doing is setting yourself up for failure. u can do anything u put your mind to.

 

[The Iron Game]

pump it, I do not make assumptions I am simply stating that certain people do not want to get down to 5%. Personally I look pretty good at 10 so I feel no need to go through such rigourous regimes. Priorities

 

[Lift or Die]

pump it, I do not make assumptions I am simply stating that certain people do not want to get down to 5%. Personally I look pretty good at 10 so I feel no need to go through such rigourous regimes. Priorities

I agree. For me its not practical to maintain 5%bf. 10% is actually very low when the average male is something like 25% or higher. If you get down to 10% with good muscle mass, you'll look incredible. I have no plans on competing in a contest but I'll still diet down and do lots of cardio during the summer months trying to get as shredded as possible. If I get into single digits I'm happy but I don't set a specific bf% goal to reach. I've never used anything to aid in fat loss like DNP, T3, ECA, etc. Just lots of cardio and a clean diet. Although Fina does seem to help shed a lot of fat. When I use ECA its usually just in the morning to get going ( I don't drink coffee).

 

[pump it]

pump it, I do not make assumptions I am simply stating that certain people do not want to get down to 5%. Personally I look pretty good at 10 so I feel no need to go through such rigourous regimes. Priorities

but u did say that people who do go that low need lots of drugs to do it. all i am saying is that is not true. it is very possible to do it naturally, ive gone down to 3% 3 times without drugs.

if u r happy where u r that is great, i wish i could be happy with my body oh well, i should be pushin 185 in the next 6 months, im sure ill be alot happier then.

 

[The Iron Game]

Yo Pump it

Can ya please quote me on

"but u did say that people who do go that low need lots of drugs to do it. "

I said there are other means to get to such low bf, I didnt state that everyone who goes low uses all or most of these means. Bottom line is diet but I am not going to punish myself and spend most of my time in the kitchen and preparing meals for each day. I am to feel happy not under pressure, each to their own & good luck getting to where ya wanna be.

 

[Wombat]

I don't think anyone could walk around under 5% maintaining it. But there is something to be said about someone who has done what they have to do to get there. My whole purpose of this thread was just to let people know that if someone has not "first hand" done the diet or for that matter taken a certain drug with getting there body down to a low bodyfat %----then some things should be taken with a grain of salt.

What do I care about a guy that is 12-18% bodyfat, has never gotten any lower(doesn't want to do the things to get there) but is going to tell me how great winny is. Or how vascular he gets from EQ---Or how he feels so good off Anavar---Then tells me that he going to do some DNP because he has tried every diet out there but his body just won't lose anymore bodyfat---These types of guys are at every gym. The type of guy that looks pretty big with his baggy sweatshirt on but when he takes his shirt off, its a whole diff-story. And likes to tell people what to do instead of listening to some.