ketone diet??

[roidpuple]

ok makavelli what you are saying makes since...... ...
i have lost around 20lbs in a month before with lost of running and low carb..low fat... hight protein.. this is a lot different.... ... but even that would of been close to what you are saying... i think... you are definitly giveing me good reading topics..
to explore.... thanks and keep the info comming ...
I will soon have more questions.

 

[Makavelli]

ok makavelli what you are saying makes since...... ...
i have lost around 20lbs in a month before with lost of running and low carb..low fat... hight protein.. this is a lot different.... ... but even that would of been close to what you are saying... i think... you are definitly giveing me good reading topics..
to explore.... thanks and keep the info comming ...
I will soon have more questions.

The problem with the low carb, low fat, high protein diet is that you're still putting yourself at risk for muscle loss. You will not get into ketosis w/o consuming enough fat. I can get into ketosis very easily now, but I've been experimenting with this diet for years. Like I said, I once did this diet for 9 months straight. Everyone thought that I was crazy. They kept saying, "there's no way you're going to gain muscle with that diet.". About 2 months later they were asking me to set them up on it!LOL! I'll be happy to answer any questions that you may have.

 

[roidpuple]

~~~~~So makavelli ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
OK..so i should go 50% fat 50%protein and lil to no carbs...
do this Mon threw. friday.... and on saterday... carb up
does this mean change amount of protein and fat too... or just make sure I get 10-12g per kg. of lean body weight...
I am going to guess 79.38kg... so that would be at least 800g of carbs
spread out into how many meals??? for 24hr
then do it again for the next 24hrs..but now..477g of carbs..
and start over no more carbs. back to 50-50 carb protein..
........and this is better?? because it helps you retain you muscle?
it has no negative effects for fat loss??? what are the best no carb foods and recomendations..?? and will i feel tired again like i did durning the change into ketosis..like a did the 1st time.. thanks any info on this is great.

 

[boops]

hey makavelli
could you lay out an example of a days eating say for yourself, including foods....you say you caesin as a protein source and not whey....would whey isolate be ok.....as always THANX!!!!

peace

 

[Makavelli]

hey makavelli
could you lay out an example of a days eating say for yourself, including foods....you say you caesin as a protein source and not whey....would whey isolate be ok.....as always THANX!!!!

peace

Roidpuple: You want to start out this diet with 75% fat and 25% protein. This is what will prevent you from feeling like shit. You'll get into ketosis much faster.

Boops: An example would be:
Meal 1-4 oz. red meat, 2 T. Flax oil
Meal 2-25 g casein, 2 T. flax oil
Meal 3-4 oz. Salmon 1 1/2 T. Flax oil
Meal 4-Same as 1
Train
Meal 5-25 g whey isolate, 2 T. flax oil
Meal 6-25 g casein, 2 T. Flax oil

Whey should only be taken post workout. It enters the bloodstream too fast and will be converted to glucose at other times. This will keep one out of ketosis.

 

[roidpuple]

so every cycle start the 1st day with 75%fat 25%protein..
and i had everything else correct??... so you take in flax every meal.

 

[brickbatstone]

OK do these macros sound good to you?

2164 calories
120 fat
16 carbs
254 protein




Meals:

4oz ground beef
2 whole eggs
1 oz cheese
1tbsp canola

6oz water packed tuna
2 whole eggs
1tbsp canola
1 oz cheese

6oz water packed tuna
2 whole eggs
1tbsp canola
1 oz cheese

2tb ANPB
1/3 Cup ham
2 whole eggs
1 oz cheese

44g whey post workout only

 

[Makavelli]

OK do these macros sound good to you?

2164 calories
120 fat
16 carbs
254 protein




Meals:

4oz ground beef
2 whole eggs
1 oz cheese
1tbsp canola

6oz water packed tuna
2 whole eggs
1tbsp canola
1 oz cheese

6oz water packed tuna
2 whole eggs
1tbsp canola
1 oz cheese

2tb ANPB
1/3 Cup ham
2 whole eggs
1 oz cheese

44g whey post workout only

Cut out the NAPB. I know that this is extreme, but it's an extreme diet. You may be able to add it in later once you can establish ketosis quickly. Other than that, it looks good. I prefer more omega 3 fats as they seem to cause greater fat loss and improve overall health.

 

[roidpuple]

during ketosis .. how many meals???

and during carb up how many meals?? should the carb up be complex carbs??
or will candy and sweets do...

 

[roidpuple]

Makavelli what do you think of Mr.X's CKD

http://www.mmsfitness.com/showthread.php?t=3995

and i dont understand.. when you carb up .. you muscles fill with glycogen..
and they grow......or this gives you muscles enough energy to last the week??