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mrplunkey
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So back to JA's original question that I addressed in pieces earlier:
1) We don't do government well in general. For a recent example, you don't have to look any farther than Fannie and Freddie.
2) We do entitlements even worse. Look at how badly we've failed to manage social security and medicare.
3) Within entitlements, we manage Medicare/Medicaid worse than anything else. Medicare's own auditors stated in last year's annual report that the fund becomes insolvent in 2017.
4) Now we've got a demographics time bomb working through the system -- obesity. They are 33% of our population and our fastest growing segment are small children. These people each represent millions of dollars (literally) of future health care obligations -- and they aren't even young enough to ride a bicycle.
The simply fact is no one can pay for the mess that's working its way through our system. It comes down to setting limits and making hard choices on 100,000,000 or more US citizens.
So given our disastrous past with government programs in health care and the time bomb ticking away in our existing system, why in the world would you nationalize (thus politicize) the remainder of our health care and hand it to the US government?
1) We don't do government well in general. For a recent example, you don't have to look any farther than Fannie and Freddie.
2) We do entitlements even worse. Look at how badly we've failed to manage social security and medicare.
3) Within entitlements, we manage Medicare/Medicaid worse than anything else. Medicare's own auditors stated in last year's annual report that the fund becomes insolvent in 2017.
4) Now we've got a demographics time bomb working through the system -- obesity. They are 33% of our population and our fastest growing segment are small children. These people each represent millions of dollars (literally) of future health care obligations -- and they aren't even young enough to ride a bicycle.
The simply fact is no one can pay for the mess that's working its way through our system. It comes down to setting limits and making hard choices on 100,000,000 or more US citizens.
So given our disastrous past with government programs in health care and the time bomb ticking away in our existing system, why in the world would you nationalize (thus politicize) the remainder of our health care and hand it to the US government?
mrplunkey
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We were the greatest nation on earth because we restrained our government. Thomas Jefferson described the constitution as chains that bind-down the power of government.
It's our smaller, less obtrusive government that put us in the position we enjoy now as a world power, but it's also our ever-expanding, debt-ridden government that could quite easily take us down.
And I've already explained why we'll never do health care well.
1) Nationalizing it will immediately and forever politicize it. It will turn into a cesspool of politicians crawling over each other fighting to see who can hand-out the biggest presents. Want proof of that? Look no further than social security and Medicare.
2) Nationalizing health care will also make it even more susceptable to social engineering than it is today. It's fun to talk about bigger government when the engineering is going your way, but picture Secretary of Health and Human Services Sarah Palin imposing her socially conservative views on an entire nation's health care.
3) We have several demographic time bombs built into our system, with obesity being the biggest factor by far. We have to say "no" to over 100,000,000 people over the next few years who have basically eaten themselves to death. Nationalizing thus politicizing health care would only make that job more impossible.
4) Which brings me to my last point. Insurance companies say "no" -- that's part of their job. That's also why most people hate them. As Americans, we don't accept "no" as an answer very well, even when it's what we should be hearing. I'd much rather leave that function in the private sector than hand it to a bunch of politicians who simply want to get re-elected.
Sounds like trouble for these guys:
lol @ Puddlemonkey.
b0und
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Japan doesn't need to crack down on obesity, really.
the Japanese are already lean compared to other industrialized countries. Their aging population is a much bigger problem.
In fact they should get fatter, since fat people die earlier - would help the aging population problem.
b0und (always honest
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mrplunkey
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Japan doesn't need to crack down on obesity, really.
the Japanese are already lean compared to other industrialized countries. Their aging population is a much bigger problem.
In fact they should get fatter, since fat people die earlier - would help the aging population problem.
b0und (always honest
That's a common misconception. It's true they'd die earlier, but the costs of diabetes, congestive heart failure, sleep apnea, joint replacement, spinal problems, etc. etc. absolutely kill you in terms of cost.
The costs of obesity are simply insane. It will wipe-out our health care system first (unless simply bankruptcy gets it beforehand), then it will sweep across Europe and then eventually into Asia.
Obesity is going to make us laugh at the good old days of smoking. It's like going from the clap to AIDS -- remember when all someone needs was a shot of antibiotics?
