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just a cycle update.. I am now convinced 200mg/week tren is ample

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what is interesting is I am currently not even training for strength yet today I actually PR'd in the bench press and last week I PR'd in my deadlift.

I weighed in at 202 at 5'6.5"which is 1 pound less than my all time weight and my body fat is 13.8%.. i look at myself in the mirror and I see a beast (yes i will post pics after the cycle is over)

I did bench press today and was feeling incredibly strong after fucking this hot 23 yr old blonde chick I just met (probably the hottest chick I have ever laid my eyes on btw) and then taking a day off from the gym.. so i was fresh and I had the hormones swarming (yes that definately helps to have a chick like this to fuck to clean that baby batter out of your body). I was doing 3 plates pretty easy so i said fuck it let me put on some weight, i had not planned on even doing 350 but today I nailed 385 for 3 reps which is a new 3 rep record for me. my all time 1 rep record is 415 which I probably would be able to get easily but I won't over do things. those of you who are facebook friends have seen the vid.

anyway I am a raging boner.. it is actually embarassing walking around with one all day. but I don't feel like i want to hump a tree all day which is good.

all I am taking is 400-500mg/week of EQ
I did 4 weeks of kata which I am done with at 2 caps a day (low dose)
and I am doing 200mg/week of parabolan. tren hex.

i have some sustanon amps laying around but at this point i don't feel the need to add more juice to this cycle as I am having a blast and i feel fantastic. (thanks burnthiscorpse you crazy fuck for introducing me to the inversion table, i am 100% injury free using it 2-3X per day)

I am convinced the EQ hasn't even fully kicked in yet as I am only on week 5 of the cycle.. this means i only have a low amount of EQ in my system plus just the 200mg/week tren. i think what is happening is I was natty for a while and then once I got on this its enabled me to really take things to another level. i have had zero sides so far.

I wonder what will happen by week 15. i only plan on running the tren 10 weeks at 200mg a week.

anyway those of you who insist on running tren at 2 or 3X that dose i think you should find a new source or you should stop wasting it. i am convinced my results are better at just 200mg/week cause my sides are low and not interfering with my life/sleep/workouts.
 
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NegroPops said:
have you noticed any anxiety running tren and EQ together?
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not at all bro. and work has been hectic as fuck lately and i've been losing my ass there and i'm still in a good mood. i think it all boils down to maturity and knowing how to control your emotions. why i tell young guys to not mess with tren.

also I am making sure I eat a strong meal for dinner and I have my glucose pills handy.. i think a lot of the anxiety symptoms are caused by low blood sugar. and i also think its a waste to run tren without taking advantage of its partitioning abilities. hence I am eating well but i am eating healthy. only bread is my organic wheat buns i use for my turkey burgers. i am raiding my veggie garden daily. very little dairy, no fried food, no junk food.
 
stevesmi said:
what is interesting is I am currently not even training for strength yet today I actually PR'd in the bench press and last week I PR'd in my deadlift.

I weighed in at 202 at 5'6.5"which is 1 pound less than my all time weight and my body fat is 13.8%.. i look at myself in the mirror and I see a beast (yes i will post pics after the cycle is over)

I did bench press today and was feeling incredibly strong after fucking this hot 23 yr old blonde chick I just met (probably the hottest chick I have ever laid my eyes on btw) and then taking a day off from the gym.. so i was fresh and I had the hormones swarming (yes that definately helps to have a chick like this to fuck to clean that baby batter out of your body). I was doing 3 plates pretty easy so i said fuck it let me put on some weight, i had not planned on even doing 350 but today I nailed 385 for 3 reps which is a new 3 rep record for me. my all time 1 rep record is 415 which I probably would be able to get easily but I won't over do things. those of you who are facebook friends have seen the vid.

anyway I am a raging boner.. it is actually embarassing walking around with one all day. but I don't feel like i want to hump a tree all day which is good.

all I am taking is 400-500mg/week of EQ
I did 4 weeks of kata which I am done with at 2 caps a day (low dose)
and I am doing 200mg/week of parabolan. tren hex.

i have some sustanon amps laying around but at this point i don't feel the need to add more juice to this cycle as I am having a blast and i feel fantastic. (thanks burnthiscorpse you crazy fuck for introducing me to the inversion table, i am 100% injury free using it 2-3X per day)

I am convinced the EQ hasn't even fully kicked in yet as I am only on week 5 of the cycle.. this means i only have a low amount of EQ in my system plus just the 200mg/week tren. i think what is happening is I was natty for a while and then once I got on this its enabled me to really take things to another level. i have had zero sides so far.

I wonder what will happen by week 15. i only plan on running the tren 10 weeks at 200mg a week.

anyway those of you who insist on running tren at 2 or 3X that dose i think you should find a new source or you should stop wasting it. i am convinced my results are better at just 200mg/week cause my sides are low and not interfering with my life/sleep/workouts.
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How do u keep your libido so high? Are u even running test?
 
NegroPops said:
have you noticed any anxiety running tren and EQ together?
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Eq at higher doses always gives me severe anxiety and so I stay under 600 per week now. And Steve is right, it does not take that much tren to totally transform your body. My last run with tren was 50 EO3rd day and It ripped me up in 5 weeks.
 
I've never had any anxiety from either one, but have never ran them together. I plan on running them together this winter at a lot higher dose then Steve. I guess it is a good thing my dog is prescribed xanax.
 
I'm running 600mg of tren E right now...with regard to gains and sides - i'm not seeing much difference over 400mg .
 
SinisterUproar said:
How do u keep your libido so high? Are u even running test?
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not running test but might add sustanon later.. but as i said i am already running 700mg a week of juice so i don't feel i need it.

libido is 99% mental. if you run a cycle obsessing that you will lose libido then guess what will happen?

whats sucky though is i was getting ready to go into the supermarket yesterday and i had to sit in my car and wait for my boner to go away before i went in just cause I was thinking about that girl from the other day.. i might have to switch to tighter underwear and jeans when i go out.
 
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Nelson Montana said:
I guess a little bit of poison is better than too much.
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if you ran tren for a long period of time i have no doubt however i only cycle it 8-10 weeks at a time and i take a minimum 3-4 months off. my bloods come in clean everytime after cycle.

those that abuse tren i have no sympathy for and are the people who make it seem like poison to everyone else.

i know you are against tren nelson but atleast give someone else besides yourself credit for once on here for encouraging common sense cycling
 
stevesmi said:
if you ran tren for a long period of time i have no doubt however i only cycle it 8-10 weeks at a time and i take a minimum 3-4 months off. my bloods come in clean everytime after cycle.

those that abuse tren i have no sympathy for and are the people who make it seem like poison to everyone else.

i know you are against tren nelson but atleast give someone else besides yourself credit for once on here for encouraging common sense cycling
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Hey, it's a personal choice. I'm agreeing that it's good to be cautious when using something so powerful. But no doubt that stuff can be harmful and has no redeeming benefits other than it'll transform your physique more dramatically than anything else.
 
yeah but this is the AAS forum bro. and tren is a very common AAS used. i do recomend guys use tren hex and pay more for it in amps.. yeah its not officially pharma grade but the quality is the best you will find. i wouldn't use bathtub tren

i never recommmend tren to those unless they have atleast a solid 6 cycles under their belt and are atleast 27 yrs old because its not something for immature men.. when idiots use tren i get pissed, you know that. when hotheads use tren and complain that they get in fights on it i get pissed. tren isn't for everyone and i've said that
 
stevesmi said:
not running test but might add sustanon later.. but as i said i am already running 700mg a week of juice so i don't feel i need it.

libido is 99% mental. if you run a cycle obsessing that you will lose libido then guess what will happen?

whats sucky though is i was getting ready to go into the supermarket yesterday and i had to sit in my car and wait for my boner to go away before i went in just cause I was thinking about that girl from the other day.. i might have to switch to tighter underwear and jeans when i go out.
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Still tho? Caber? Hcg? Hcgen?
 
You mentioned that you are running tren for 10 weeks and EQ for 15. Are you running tren the first 10 weeks and then continuing with just the EQ the last five?
 
notjake11 said:
You mentioned that you are running tren for 10 weeks and EQ for 15. Are you running tren the first 10 weeks and then continuing with just the EQ the last five?
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i started the tren week 3. i originally wasn't sure if i would add tren, i like to play my cycles to ear.
 
stevesmi said:
EQ is like primo so far. but a helluva lot cheaper and it doesn't hurt like hell to inject.

plus its a U ester instead of E so you can easily get away with once a week injections.. loving it so far .. i'm sorry it took me this long to try it
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I've been splitting it up and doing twice a week - Monday and Thursday - with my TestE and Mast E. I've had very minimal PIP (a good buddy who I know is pretty tough and whines very little said he limps for days after each Primo injection).
 
notjake11 said:
I'm debating running 200mg/wk of TrenA for the last 8-10 weeks of my cycle so I'm paying close attention to your posts and experiences.
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I think 200 mg of Tren A a wek is to low a dose. if you want to a low dose of tren a I suggest starting at 75mg EOD and see how you feel. I am currently on 100 mg EOD and not exp any sides what so ever.
 
dusteefartz said:
I think 200 mg of Tren A a wek is to low a dose. if you want to a low dose of tren a I suggest starting at 75mg EOD and see how you feel. I am currently on 100 mg EOD and not exp any sides what so ever.
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its cause the tren you are using is bunk/underdosed.

200mg of quality tren is the same as 600mg of crap tren. after you've run a few tren cycles with different sources you will understand what i am talking about
 
dvoted said:
Steve hows the muscle gain with tren?
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i'm a pound off my alltime weight so i will be setting mass records at the end of this. as i said in my original post i will be taking pics once its all said and done.. lets just say I don't get fucked with in person the way i look .. some dude today wanted to start trouble with me and i took off my shirt and he backed down quick. smart move on his part.
 
stevesmi said:
i'm a pound off my alltime weight so i will be setting mass records at the end of this. as i said in my original post i will be taking pics once its all said and done.. lets just say I don't get fucked with in person the way i look .. some dude today wanted to start trouble with me and i took off my shirt and he backed down quick. smart move on his part.
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Aahhaha thats some terminator shit!

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stevesmi said:
its cause the tren you are using is bunk/underdosed.

200mg of quality tren is the same as 600mg of crap tren. after you've run a few tren cycles with different sources you will understand what i am talking about
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Steve he is talking about a different compound. You're taking Hex while he is talking about Tren Ace. If I'm not mistaken Hex is a longer esther.
 
dusteefartz said:
Steve he is talking about a different compound. You're taking Hex while he is talking about Tren Ace. If I'm not mistaken Hex is a longer esther.
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even with ace 200mg a week should be ample. ace does tend to be poorer quality though. so that would make sense you would need to run it higher.
 
so right now you are running 500 mg a week of EQ with 200 mg a week of Tren Hex.. with no test base at all? That shit cray. It is making me think that running test can sometimes just get in the way of the stronger androgens. I am very intrigued by this because I am going to be bulking this winter with EQ and Tren, and I plan on literally running twice as much as you, with a test base at 500 mg a week.
 
I'm really intrigued by this Steve, I've always kept my tren dose above 400mg a week. Although I've always wanted to try a lower dose, a lot of people swear against it, but it makes nothing but perfect sense to me. Tren is such a powerful compound. I'm glad you tried it and love it
 
NegroPops said:
so right now you are running 500 mg a week of EQ with 200 mg a week of Tren Hex.. with no test base at all? That shit cray. It is making me think that running test can sometimes just get in the way of the stronger androgens. I am very intrigued by this because I am going to be bulking this winter with EQ and Tren, and I plan on literally running twice as much as you, with a test base at 500 mg a week.
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well if you depend on your diet and training to get results then the steroids is just an icing. gotta keep in mind i trained 100% natural for 13 years+.

people who train for a year and then jump on steroids are gonna probably have to run outrageous doses to go anywhere cause they never truely learned how to train .. it makes perfect sense if you think about it
 
Mike4705 said:
I'm really intrigued by this Steve, I've always kept my tren dose above 400mg a week. Although I've always wanted to try a lower dose, a lot of people swear against it, but it makes nothing but perfect sense to me. Tren is such a powerful compound. I'm glad you tried it and love it
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well i just think its interesting I am so early on this cycle and already breaking size and strength barriers. we will see after the full cycle the end results.. i always post up final pics from my cycles for you guys to mire' lol.. but seriously i am curious as to what ends up happening.

tren is an amazing compound, i tend to break things when i'm on it by mistake. i'm sure you all know what i'm talking about. glass cups just grabbing them i've had get smashed in my hand.. i stub my toes all the time on it. yesterday i cut my foot stepping on a piece of wood.. seems like i am clark kent on this stuff and hurting myself. when i have sex with chicks they bitch at me for hurting them too.. i fucked this petite chick a week ago and she got pissed cause she says i twisted her leg, i barely touched her. this stuff will give you god like strength so use it with care.
 
stevesmi said:
its cause the tren you are using is bunk/underdosed.

200mg of quality tren is the same as 600mg of crap tren. after you've run a few tren cycles with different sources you will understand what i am talking about
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I cant agree with you on this one. Just because 200 mgs a week for you is good does not mean it will work for someone else and it does not mean that the Tren we have is either bunk or underdosed. I really think it all comes down to how your body reacts to it. You really need to play with the doses and find your sweet spot. as I said for me 100 mgs of Tren Ace is perfect. any more and I think it would be a waste.
As for Hex Vs. Ace I really am not 100 % sure what the differences are (I have not done the research yet) but I'm sure it's different than Ace and there for most likely will not be ran exactly the same way.I use to make my own Ace so i kow the quality was the highest and I am getting the same results now than when I ran it with my own product.
either way your results are impressive and I am looking forward to seeing your b4 and aft!!
 
stevesmi said:
what is interesting is I am currently not even training for strength yet today I actually PR'd in the bench press and last week I PR'd in my deadlift.

I weighed in at 202 at 5'6.5"which is 1 pound less than my all time weight and my body fat is 13.8%.. i look at myself in the mirror and I see a beast (yes i will post pics after the cycle is over)

I did bench press today and was feeling incredibly strong after fucking this hot 23 yr old blonde chick I just met (probably the hottest chick I have ever laid my eyes on btw) and then taking a day off from the gym.. so i was fresh and I had the hormones swarming (yes that definately helps to have a chick like this to fuck to clean that baby batter out of your body). I was doing 3 plates pretty easy so i said fuck it let me put on some weight, i had not planned on even doing 350 but today I nailed 385 for 3 reps which is a new 3 rep record for me. my all time 1 rep record is 415 which I probably would be able to get easily but I won't over do things. those of you who are facebook friends have seen the vid.

anyway I am a raging boner.. it is actually embarassing walking around with one all day. but I don't feel like i want to hump a tree all day which is good.

all I am taking is 400-500mg/week of EQ
I did 4 weeks of kata which I am done with at 2 caps a day (low dose)
and I am doing 200mg/week of parabolan. tren hex.

i have some sustanon amps laying around but at this point i don't feel the need to add more juice to this cycle as I am having a blast and i feel fantastic. (thanks burnthiscorpse you crazy fuck for introducing me to the inversion table, i am 100% injury free using it 2-3X per day)

I am convinced the EQ hasn't even fully kicked in yet as I am only on week 5 of the cycle.. this means i only have a low amount of EQ in my system plus just the 200mg/week tren. i think what is happening is I was natty for a while and then once I got on this its enabled me to really take things to another level. i have had zero sides so far.

I wonder what will happen by week 15. i only plan on running the tren 10 weeks at 200mg a week.

anyway those of you who insist on running tren at 2 or 3X that dose i think you should find a new source or you should stop wasting it. i am convinced my results are better at just 200mg/week cause my sides are low and not interfering with my life/sleep/workouts.
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I been saying 200 mgs of tren a week is optimal for the majority of the people on this board for months. I'm glad you actually took time out and did a case study for yourself to corroborate my assertions..

The only way more then 200 mgs of tren a week would be beneficial would be after week 8 on a cycle, that's when myostatin raises and that's when cycles stall. Adding another 100 mgs a week at week 8 for 2-4 weeks would then give another hormomal spike, but just for 2-4 weeks then myostatin would stymie the hormone's progress again.

In conclusion, do 8-12 week cycles by increasing dosages at week 8 until week 10 or 12, or flat out stay on because cycles stall between weeks 8-12 and don't pick up again until week 20.
 
200g of tren E I would definitely agree, as its double that by 3-4 weeks into cycle. Tren is potent stuff. To be perfectly frank, there is no steroid that has a real minimum effective dose as long as you're above natural androgen levels with it. All that minimum dosage crap is just bro science.
 
In general, I find guys take way too much of everything. Sure, all UG stuff is underdosed, still...let's put things in perspective.

The old timers made amazing gains on 5 mgs of dianabol. Of course, what is supposed to be 20 mgs is just 5mgs today. But guys are taking 2, 3 , 4 pills a day and when they don;t blow up they say the gear is bunk or they need more. Give it time. Train hard and eat right. Don't waste effort. Stop doing hours of cardio that breaks down muscle tissue and slows your metabolism. Eat enough protein. Lift heavy. Keep rest in between sets to a minute. Suddenly, you'll realize that 200 mgs of something as powerful as tren is PLENTY.
 
^^^ back in your time nelson they would laugh at people in the gym who juiced and had no base or worse beat their ass. now guys are 18 spent 3 months in the gym and are jumping on the juice doing a gram or two a week and its considered acceptable in the youtube vlog world. i feel bad for these kids 6 month transformation. It's been an awesome journey! - YouTube
 
I am trying out this dosage. Just did my first injection of tren yesterday adding it into my cycle for the remaining 12 weeks (trene) at 200/week. I am hoping it conpliments the TestE and EQ as well for me as it has for you.

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meathead96 said:
It def is to get results but more will give better results ;) and more sides....
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i don't understand this flawed mentality.

if you are getting more sides then it becomes counter productive. how are you supposed to lift hard if you can't sleep and feel like shit?

use your diet and training to workout and stop depending on steroids.. steroids are icing on the cake.. this mentality that steroids are the only way to build muscle is from people who never trained naturally and just jumped on roids at a young age.

thats the point of this thread
 
stevesmi said:
i don't understand this flawed mentality.

I completely understand this flawed mentality because people are perfectly warped in their thinking.

if you are getting more sides then it becomes counter productive. how are you supposed to lift hard if you can't sleep and feel like shit?

It don't matter if they get sides that hinders their training and sleep. It is all psychological with these types. According to them, the night sweats, insomnia, poor workouts, and feeling like garbage all day is a leading indicator the drug is working (nonsense).

use your diet and training to workout and stop depending on steroids.. steroids are icing on the cake.. this mentality that steroids are the only way to build muscle is from people who never trained naturally and just jumped on roids at a young age.

You would get a better response explaining Einstein's Theory of Relativity to a cat then you would explaining that diet and training are the fundamental components to building a decent physique, instead of large amounts of gear..

thats the point of this thread
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My point. Stop trying to explain certain things to certain people because you will end-up with a nervous prostration...
 
stevesmi said:
i don't understand this flawed mentality.

if you are getting more sides then it becomes counter productive. how are you supposed to lift hard if you can't sleep and feel like shit?

use your diet and training to workout and stop depending on steroids.. steroids are icing on the cake.. this mentality that steroids are the only way to build muscle is from people who never trained naturally and just jumped on roids at a young age.

thats the point of this thread
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Steroids is not the only way to build muscle and people who never trained naturally and jump on roids are ones that didn't do the research and want a quick fix and think that all they have to do is take juice and they'll look like Ronnie Coleman. That is aside from my point. I am being realistic in saying that you will get better results at a higher dosage. That is a fact. Of course diet and training is number one and should be spot on. For me I manage side effects on tren very well and sides for me are very tolerable at higher doses. If they weren't I wouldn't run it any higher. My intention is not to argue with you. I know you are extremely knowledgeable on this subject and I am not saying that higher doses are safe or a good idea.
 
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^^^ its all good bro.. everyone is subject to their opinion, i just wanted to speak mine as well.

i used to run tren at 350-400 a week religiously.. i'm just saying running it 200mg a week i'm the biggest and strong as an ox and i'm only really on week 3-4 of the tren on this cycle.. i really think you can get the same results on 200 a week vs. 400 a week. now if you want to try this theory out for yourself then give it a shot, i'm just suggesting it. sides have been very low on this cycle to the point where my only side is my workouts are ridiculously intense.

but we will see once the cycle is over ..
 
ledhead said:
My point. Stop trying to explain certain things to certain people because you will end-up with a nervous prostration...
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A whole lot of assumptions being made here from one statement that said none of these things. As stated in my last post sides for me are not bad and well managed with ancillaries and low dose test. I trained naturally for several years before juicing and with low T. I do not depend on steroids, my diet is consistent and has been for years. I train religiously. You don't know me. I do not have the mentality that steroids are the only way to build muscle.
 
stevesmi said:
^^^ its all good bro.. everyone is subject to their opinion, i just wanted to speak mine as well.

i used to run tren at 350-400 a week religiously.. i'm just saying running it 200mg a week i'm the biggest and strong as an ox and i'm only really on week 3-4 of the tren on this cycle.. i really think you can get the same results on 200 a week vs. 400 a week. now if you want to try this theory out for yourself then give it a shot, i'm just suggesting it. sides have been very low on this cycle to the point where my only side is my workouts are ridiculously intense.

but we will see once the cycle is over ..
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Cool man I actually was thinking of incorporating just 200mg of tren with my next cycle with test as a base.
 
Steve

Do you think that 200 idea applies regardless of ester? Would you go highwr with E than hex?

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notjake11 said:
Steve

Do you think that 200 idea applies regardless of ester? Would you go highwr with E than hex?

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the difference is relatively small unless you are running a huge cycle.

these are the amounts of active ingredient suspended in 100mg.

Trenbolone Acetate: 83mg
Trenbolone enanthate: 68mg
Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzyl Carbonate: 65mg


dont forget tren base........... 100mg :evil:
 
I been doin 75mg eod and not using my prami just have it on hand and no sides whatsoever

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this thread solidified what i believe. u dnt need alot of tren. ive only done tren a couple times and always lower dose..225-300/wk..either with ace or hex..and i was always scratching my head reading when anyone does over 400/wk. i have alot of cycles under my belt and have learned more always not better. i loved the tren i did,homebrew ace and BD hex. only sides i had were severe sweats,couldnt sleep good, and had a shorter temper. that was off low dose tren. always did with test..never more than 500/wk, usually prop. on 1st week of 20 weeker now. next week adding tren and win to the prop. not going over 300/wk of tren. test is needed IMO with tren. for the vast majority of us on here, more than 500/wk test, 300/wk tren is unnecessary. be smart..listen to ur body, eat RIGHT, not just ok, lift hard and b consistant and positive. dont rely all on the drugs like alot do.
 
What were the sides when you ran 200mg a week steve? Anything like the higher doses? I was considering my next cycle of 600mg primo 300mg test and 150-200mg of tren E per week.
 
wow this thread is old but yeah my sides were very minimal.

some de-hydration, some low blood sugar.. but it wasn't much of anything.. no different than how you would feel on a hot day after you mowed the lawn

i don't plan on running tren for a while, but when i do in the future i will definately stick with the low dose strategy. it does enough nutrition partitioning to do the job without the high sides.
 
hanibal said:
this thread solidified what i believe. u dnt need alot of tren. ive only done tren a couple times and always lower dose..225-300/wk..either with ace or hex..and i was always scratching my head reading when anyone does over 400/wk. i have alot of cycles under my belt and have learned more always not better. i loved the tren i did,homebrew ace and BD hex. only sides i had were severe sweats,couldnt sleep good, and had a shorter temper. that was off low dose tren. always did with test..never more than 500/wk, usually prop. on 1st week of 20 weeker now. next week adding tren and win to the prop. not going over 300/wk of tren. test is needed IMO with tren. for the vast majority of us on here, more than 500/wk test, 300/wk tren is unnecessary. be smart..listen to ur body, eat RIGHT, not just ok, lift hard and b consistant and positive. dont rely all on the drugs like alot do.
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