Is this wrong to do??? DNP use

[strongchick]

Holy shit TX_Longhorn. What's wrong with me?

Is it possible that being natural is stupid?

I'm 33 years old and I'm wasting time. I should be doing every drug conceivable to look good so I can manipulate others with my looks. This way I can be much more successful in life.

Why didn't I think of this sooner?

I'm the egotistical one, thinking I'm better by doing it 'natural'. Hell, I could get hit by a truck tomorrow.

Of course, I don't measure my worth by how much pussy I get. But then, who am I to judge. Why have standards, especially meaningless ones.

For those of you reading this that can't tell if I'm being serious or sarcastic, guess what? I don't know if I'm serious or not either.

TxLonghorn is making me think.

For those of you who are analytical types and can make the connection....now I know why there is religion. It keeps our standards above the here and now.

 

[Fonz]

Religion=Another way of controlling the masses.

I'm actually roman catholic by birth. I had to go
to church, communion etc.. etc....
It wasn't until I was 14 that I researched what religion
really meant.
People SHOULD be given a choice.

And no offense but religion has been responsible for
some of the STUPIDEST blunders in human history.
Earth the center of the Universe??
An eclipse viewed as a miracle?

And there are MANY more....

Each time the religious community so fit to
slaughter thousands just because they
disagreed with their religious Dogma.


By following religion all you do is reduce your options.
In effect you become LESS enlightened rather than
MORE enlightened(As the church would have you believe)

And before you throw your religious MUMBO-JUMBO
at anyone PUT YOURSELF in their shoes.

Its funny how people just watch other people suffer
all around them without lifting a finger........
And don't think "fat" people don't suffer, because the
large majority do!! they just learn to hide it very well.


IN ANY CASE, please limit your responses to FACTUAL
information NOT BS-religiously oriented super-biased
information.

And wait till Tx sees this post.

Godspeed

 

[strongchick]

he-he. I hope he responds. I guess I should have said that religion _questionably_ keeps our standards above the here and now.

I'm not religious. I think what I'm trying to say is that I agree to an extent....religion _IS_ used to control the masses...I liken religion to my need to feel above it all by staying 'natural'.

The natural thing is like a standard to keep me away from AS. I gotta have SOMETHING to keep me going when my gains are so slow! Like someone else said in this thread.

 

[TxLonghorn]

Well, I don't think my response can compare to strongchicks, but I will just give my opinion and go from there.

I don't recommend anybody do anything they don't want to do. Period. That is why I said dnp should be available to everybody, not mandatory. But anyways, I guess my problem is that people manipulate their bodies everyday, and maybe I am just too perceptive but for somebody to make an arbitrary line of what is natural and what is not is silly.

And if you think that by not being natural you are a better person, or that suffering makes God like you more, or whatever, why not become Amish. That way you can do without electricity and you can be superior to everybody.

To think that all people are created equal is one of the biggest lie perpetrated upon the masses. I have been told that anybody can look like Arnold, without any kinds of supplements or drugs, if they only work hard enough. Or that drugs are only a shortcut. Shortcut? Hell, the reality is that without drugs, Arnold wouldn't be Arnold.

I also find it humorous that people manipulate their diets with food to accomplish something, and yet have the audacity to look down upon people who are so stupid, they use 'effective' supplements. Sure, go drink your diet Coke (yeah, that's natural), and take ephedrine, and take your protein powders (hmmm, I don't remember reading about the proteinpowderanimal in biology class, lol).

My point is, use whatever, or don't. I am not here to convince, I am just stating my point of view. But I have yet to see ANYBODY natural who has achieved anything with their bodies. Slimfast, Diet Coke, McDonalds, Fat-free anything, etc. None of it is 'natural'. I guess the hypocrisy is a tad much.

I couldn't believe the conversation I had with a friend the other day about Lance Armstrong. I said I found it humorous that tons of people actually think he doesn't use any performance enhancing drugs...his response was, 'Well, he doesn't.' Yeah, ok. Lessee, he was a 'good' cyclist until he ages past his prime, gets a life threatening disease...and now he is in the best shape of his life, yadda yadda yadda.

I hate to break it to you, the human body is not like fine wine. It does not get better with age. If you want to grow old and look and feel old, fine. That is your decision. I am certainly not going to stand in your way. But when I hit 60 I am going to look FABULOUS. And that is the real reason people work out. To look good naked. Health is another reason, but it pales in comparison to the reality.

Religion, well, that's not 'natural' either, unless we put in the natural category, opium.

But strongchick, would you want to keep out of reach for these fat people dnp, the one supplement that works above all others? Yes, we want to keep them natural, so all they get is ephedrine/caffeine/aspirin, low carb diets, etc.

Whatever. I say let's go with what works. The country is getting fatter, and we do have the ability to stop it. And the flippant, they should just eat less, and workout more hasn't been much help in the last 30 years, now has it?

 

[harddtime]

Fonz and Tx, with all this DNP usage what %BF are you guys at? do you get really low and let yourselves slip? why the need for so many DNP cycles?

 

[TxLonghorn]

Well, seeing as I am on my second cycle of dnp, I wouldn't say I am doing dnp all the time. The lowest I have ever been able to attain, and this was weeks after ckd's, e/c/a's, yohimbe, etc. was ~9%. I took caliper measurements weekly, etc. Had a lot of fun in ketoland, and all my friends were very ready for me to have some french fries and just loosen the fuck up. After I finished, I looked sooooo tiny. Yes, I had lost fat, but since my workouts suffered, I lost muscle, which is not easy for me to regain. And I was pretty pissy for, ohhh, months, lol.

I typically hover around 10-12%, but I want to be lower than that. Hell, otherwise, why do any of this if I am going to cover it up with fat. The way I look at it is if I can't see abs, I'm fat. Period. I have tossed my calipers, the readings are irrelevant. Who cares how fat you are when you've got abs? Nobody, they are too busy staring. And who cares what your bf% is when you can't see abs? Nobody, they are too busy staring at the guy with abs. The mirror is my fat caliper guide. And right now, I can see my 2 upper abs.

My first time with dnp was more or less a 'lark'. I finally found some, and was not in the mood to diet. So I didn't. I still lost fat and was miserable. But, I wanted to try it. And by that, I mean the 'original dan duchaine special' of 7 days. I always said I would do a longterm low-dose cycle when I was ready. Now I am ready. It is going well, and visibly, I am at the 9-9.5 mark. About where I was at my leanest on the ketodiet. And this is without any restrictions on my diet, and the only adverse effects have been slightly elevated temp. But, it's also 101 f*ing degrees outside, so everybody is sweating, I'm just losing fat while I'm at it.

So, when my buddies ask me to go to lunch, I don't tell them only if it's at one specific place in town. I just say, 'Sure, where we goin'?' I enjoy my fatloss now.

In fact, I have been on this lowdose thingy for 8 days, and last night 2 of my friends kept telling me, wow, you look a lot leaner...low carbs? Yeah, lowcarbs, baby.

 

[Fonz]

LOL Tx. Well said.

Right now, at T-17 days before going to the beach I'm
at 5.1%

Normally, I hover around 7-8%.
However, I'm a natural mesomorph and I NEVER
get fat. And I do mean ever.
The fattest I ever got was on a 7500Kcal/day
bulking cycle that lasted ten weeks.
I went from 10% to 12%.

Godspeed

 

[harddtime]

Tx, thanks for the explanation bro, i agree with you on going by your the mirror and not percentage. I'm prob around 8 or 9 now and can see the upper 4 abs, but my problem is that i can't see the lower abs even at 7, i still have a thick layer right below my belly. I'm gonna try some yohimbine and hopefully that'll work.


Fonz how many dnp cycles have you done? what do you like better, low or high doses? What do you think about being on a low dose and when i have a few free days that i know i'm not gonna do anything bumping it up to 400 or 600mg? thanks

 

[sinnsation]

I have a question about DNP,
One that I cant really ask here on the board.....
I am really desperate,
Can someone who is knowledgeabel on DNP email me?
Pleaseeeeeeee
Thanks
[email protected]

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

Some people have posted that DNP is only illegal because it would create competition for the diet drug industry. Conspiracy theories are fine, but don't ignore the fact that DNP is dangerous! Read this thread:

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79943&perpage=20&pagenumber=2